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AHeneen
01-15-2009, 09:45 AM
Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy
Obama will allow gays to serve openly in the military by overturning the controversial "don't ask, don't tell" policy.
WASHINGTON � President-elect Barack Obama will allow gays to serve openly in the military by overturning the controversial "don't ask, don't tell" policy that marred President Clinton's first days in office, according to incoming White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs.

The startling pronouncement, which could re-open a dormant battle in the culture wars and distract from other elements of Obama's agenda, came during a Gibbs exchange with members of the public who sent in questions that were answered on YouTube.

"Thadeus of Lansing, Mich., asks, 'Is the new administration going to get rid of the "don't ask, don't tell policy?'" said Gibbs, looking into the camera. "Thadeus, you don't hear a politician give a one-word answer much. But it's, 'Yes.'"

The Obama transition team declined to elaborate on that one-word answer when asked by FOX News on Wednesday about a timetable for repealing the policy, which was enacted by Clinton after a protracted public debate. Obama officials also would not explain which lawmakers or Pentagon officials would attempt to repeal "don't ask, don't tell."

Clinton, who initially sought to overturn the longstanding ban on gays in the military, ended up enacting the "don't ask, don't tell" policy as a compromise that made it illegal for commanders to ask about the sexual orientation of service members, who were also barred from announcing they were homosexual. If a service member's homosexuality becomes known anyway, he or she is expelled.

Clinton is widely viewed as having stumbled during his first days in office by getting caught up in the raging controversy, which detracted from the rest of his agenda. It is not yet clear whether Obama would face a similar debacle.

For years, Obama has said he generally opposes the "don't ask, don't tell" policy. Last summer, he told a gay magazine he can "reasonably" see it being repealed. But that was a far cry from Gibbs' unequivocal promise that the policy will indeed be ended.

The gay community is eager for a quick repeal of "don't ask, don't tell," but fears it could be months before the new administration reaches a consensus with lawmakers and the military. Others think Obama could do it quickly, but is leery of the kind of fallout Bill Clinton faced when he tackled the divisive issue.

FOX News' Carl Cameron contributed to this report.
From Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2009/01/15/obama-end-militarys-dont-ask-dont-tell-policy/)

PoliCon
01-15-2009, 10:01 AM
what good would repealing DADT do?? Require the military to make separate fag bunks and showers????

Odysseus
01-15-2009, 11:27 AM
what good would repealing DADT do?? Require the military to make separate fag bunks and showers????

Since the UCMJ still bans homosexual conduct, the repeal of the policy will actually make enforcement more strenuous, not less, unless Obama comes up with a different policy. Congress will have to change the law if they want to permit gays to serve, and if Pelosi and Reid oblige, then it would be up to Obama to sign it, which would guarantee that Obama's first months in office would replicate Clinton's. Remember that DADT was a huge loss for Clinton. It alienated his gay supporters who wanted a complete repeal of the law, further alienated the armed forces and defined him as a leftist radical who was more concerned with social experimentation in the military than he was with readiness. This was locked in stone after the Modadishu debacle, and was a major factor in his loss of the congress in 1994. I don't see Obama following Clinton's mistake.

jediab
01-17-2009, 12:34 AM
what good would repealing DADT do?? Require the military to make separate fag bunks and showers????

At the very least you would have to bunk the gay men with the women.

AmPat
01-17-2009, 12:40 AM
That would establish a precedent that the gay movement would use to require bunking with heterosexual men. I say no.

PoliCon
01-17-2009, 12:58 AM
At the very least you would have to bunk the gay men with the women.Oh that would work well. You'd have men pretending to be gay so that they could bunk with the women;)

marinejcksn
01-17-2009, 01:26 AM
Our Command knew it....I been hearing a lot of my officers saying he'd do it.

Opening up this can of worms...I dunno. It's going to cause a heck of a lot of problems. Personally I give two turds what a man or woman does when in their own bedroom as long as it involves consenting adults...but I forsee a lot of issues arising from this.

Sonnabend
01-17-2009, 03:41 AM
There's another issue

If one gay is an officer and another enlisted....fraternisation is prohibited.

cat714
01-17-2009, 03:47 AM
I see Obama is going to be off to a wonderful start.

marinejcksn
01-17-2009, 05:30 AM
There's another issue

If one gay is an officer and another enlisted....fraternisation is prohibited.

If they're in the same unit, absolutely. Same service...gray area. Different services? It'll get squashed.

Fraternisation is another tricky subject.

PoliCon
01-17-2009, 09:10 AM
Our Command knew it....I been hearing a lot of my officers saying he'd do it.

Opening up this can of worms...I dunno. It's going to cause a heck of a lot of problems. Personally I give two turds what a man or woman does when in their own bedroom as long as it involves consenting adults...but I forsee a lot of issues arising from this.
Exactly - in the privacy of their OWN bedroom. With the doors closed. And the door locked. . . . . . And the shades drawn . . . . . Not in the bunks - not in the TOILETS - not out in woods - IN THEIR OWN BEDROOM. The moment the sex happens in a public place - it is something that involves the PUBLIC. I don't make out in public - I expect the same courtesy in return.

marinejcksn
01-18-2009, 01:32 AM
Exactly - in the privacy of their OWN bedroom. With the doors closed. And the door locked. . . . . . And the shades drawn . . . . . Not in the bunks - not in the TOILETS - not out in woods - IN THEIR OWN BEDROOM. The moment the sex happens in a public place - it is something that involves the PUBLIC. I don't make out in public - I expect the same courtesy in return.

Exactly. I don't even make out with my wife in public places where kids are around...displaying affection is one thing but there's a limit. People don't need to see that crap.

AmPat
01-18-2009, 03:35 AM
If they're in the same unit, absolutely. Same service...gray area. Different services? It'll get squashed.

Fraternisation is another tricky subject.
The rules for the Army were changed a few years ago. For us, a case can be made for almost any difference between ranks regardless of chain of command.

marinejcksn
01-18-2009, 04:07 AM
The rules for the Army were changed a few years ago. For us, a case can be made for almost any difference between ranks regardless of chain of command.

That's what I was thinking too. Now between services, they really can't make a case of Fraternization can they? I've known of Enlisted Marines married to junior Army Officers, high school sweethearts and stuff. My feeling is if they can't affect each others career because they're different services it shouldn't matter.

AmPat
01-18-2009, 07:34 AM
That's what I was thinking too. Now between services, they really can't make a case of Fraternization can they? I've known of Enlisted Marines married to junior Army Officers, high school sweethearts and stuff. My feeling is if they can't affect each others career because they're different services it shouldn't matter.

Not sure what the barracks lawyers would say but if there is no chance that they could affect the other's career AND they don't draw unecessary attention to themselves, the relationship should have no problems.