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megimoo
01-16-2009, 06:19 PM
Man refuses to drive 'No God' bus

A Christian bus driver has refused to drive a bus with an atheist slogan proclaiming "There's probably no God". Ron Heather, from Southampton, Hampshire, responded with "shock" and "horror" at the message and walked out of his shift on Saturday in protest.

First Bus said it would do everything in its power to ensure Mr Heather does not have to drive the buses.
Buses across Britain started displaying atheist messages in an advertising campaign launched earlier this month. Mr Heather told BBC Radio Solent: "I was just about to board and there it was staring me in the face, my first reaction was shock horror.

"I felt that I could not drive that bus, I told my managers and they said they haven't got another one and I thought I better go home, so I did. "I think it was the starkness of this advert which implied there was no God." When he returned to work on Monday he was called into a meeting with managers and agreed to go back to work with the promise he would only have to drive the buses if there were no others available.

First Bus said in a statement: "As a company we understand Mr Heather's views regarding the atheist bus advert and we are doing what we can to accommodate his request not to drive the buses concerned." It added: "As an organisation we don't endorse any of the products or sentiments advertised on our buses.
"The content of this advert has been approved by the Advertising Standards Agency and therefore it is capable of being posted on static sites or anywhere else."

The advertising campaign is backed by the British Humanist Association and prominent atheist, Professor Richard Dawkins. Hanne Stinson, chief executive of the British Humanist Association, said: "I have difficulty understanding why people with particular religious beliefs find the expression of a different sort of beliefs to be offensive. "I can't understand why some people seem to have a different attitude when it comes to atheists."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/hampshire/7832647.stm

noonwitch
01-16-2009, 10:52 PM
That's all right. I almost got creamed by "God's Love Bus" once. One of my coworkers at that time, who is also an ordained minister, told me it was a message from God. I guess it was, because I started going back to church not too long afterwards-just not to that church, as I'm afraid their bus driver will crash into my car while I'm in the worship service.

enslaved1
01-17-2009, 09:51 AM
A calm rational resolution? :eek:No lawsuits or firings? :eek:Common sense isn't completely dead yet is it?


Hanne Stinson, chief executive of the British Humanist Association, said: "I have difficulty understanding why people with particular religious beliefs find the expression of a different sort of beliefs to be offensive.

"I can't understand why some people seem to have a different attitude when it comes to atheists."

The irony of that statement coming from an atheist is amazing though, considering many of them are right beside islamofacists (not Muslims) when it comes to refusing any mention of opposing viewpoints in a public arena.

jinxmchue
01-17-2009, 10:15 AM
Let's get some "God exists and atheists are going to Hell" buses and see how many atheists will drive them.

hampshirebrit
01-17-2009, 10:20 AM
A calm rational resolution? :eek:No lawsuits or firings? :eek:Common sense isn't completely dead yet is it?

We're British, don't you know.



The irony of that statement coming from an atheist is amazing though, considering many of them are right beside islamofacists (not Muslims) when it comes to refusing any mention of opposing viewpoints in a public arena.

Examples?

I guess you can't use Christopher Hitchens or Richard Dawkins as examples, since they both frequently debate the issue with the more religiously inclined from each of the three major monotheistic religions.

lacarnut
01-17-2009, 10:45 AM
That's all right. I almost got creamed by "God's Love Bus" once. One of my coworkers at that time, who is also an ordained minister, told me it was a message from God. I guess it was, because I started going back to church not too long afterwards-just not to that church, as I'm afraid their bus driver will crash into my car while I'm in the worship service.

Your little story stinks to high heaven. Just like the one about your sis getting berated about allowing a disgusting Fag Float. Since you voted for Obama, sounds like you are sympathetic to their causes.

Bubba Dawg
01-17-2009, 12:05 PM
Your little story stinks to high heaven. Just like the one about your sis getting berated about allowing a disgusting Fag Float. Since you voted for Obama, sounds like you are sympathetic to their causes.

Disgusting Fag Float

two scoops french vanilla ice cream
2 tablespoons chunky peanut butter
cream soda
whipped cream
sprinkles

The San Francisco Treat
(hard to find them outside the bay area)

FlaGator
01-17-2009, 12:25 PM
Let's get some "God exists and atheists are going to Hell" buses and see how many atheists will drive them.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b26/flagator/atheistbus2.jpg

FlaGator
01-17-2009, 12:31 PM
The irony of that statement coming from an atheist is amazing though, considering many of them are right beside islamofacists (not Muslims) when it comes to refusing any mention of opposing viewpoints in a public arena.


I disagree, I debate with atheists all the time and most are willing to debate my point of view. One of the things I've come to realize is those who believe in no God and those who believe in God have more in common than either side realizes. I don't want to get into a big debate on this, but sit down some time and muse on the pro arguments for each side and the feelings behind them.

enslaved1
01-17-2009, 12:56 PM
We're British, don't you know.

Which almost makes it more surprising given all the bending over to sharia law and Orwellian surveillance stories coming out of the UK.




Examples?

I guess you can't use Christopher Hitchens or Richard Dawkins as examples, since they both frequently debate the issue with the more religiously inclined from each of the three major monotheistic religions.

The annual Happy Holidays vs Merry Christmas fight comes immediately to mind. Many loud mouthed atheists refusal to allow school kids to know that there are theories other than evolution and the big bang about where earth and people came from springs up as well. The stupid belief of many faith challenged folks that once you are elected to office, your faith and convictions have to be put in a little box and never let out in public or allowed to influence your policies and decisions.

wilbur
01-17-2009, 12:59 PM
Let's get some "God exists and atheists are going to Hell" buses and see how many atheists will drive them.

The campaign was reactionary towards bus adverts that pretty much did exactly what you describe. It was a bait and switch... Nice friendly religious message on the bus, then if you surfed to the website it told you to beleive or else spend eternity in a lake of fire.

enslaved1
01-17-2009, 01:04 PM
I disagree, I debate with atheists all the time and most are willing to debate my point of view. One of the things I've come to realize is those who believe in no God and those who believe in God have more in common than either side realizes. I don't want to get into a big debate on this, but sit down some time and muse on the pro arguments for each side and the feelings behind them.

That's why I said many and put that group beside a similar group, the islamofacists. I'm talking about the lawsuit happy media whore types who get a lot more press than the more reasonable folks you have had the pleasure to interact with. I'm talking about Americans United for Separation of Church and State, who think that government should be a religion free zone. Just like not every muslim wants the evil west conquered by the sword, not every atheist wants the church hog tied and gagged. But the ones who do on both sides have no issues shouting it from every available roof top.

hampshirebrit
01-17-2009, 02:12 PM
Which almost makes it more surprising given all the bending over to sharia law and Orwellian surveillance stories coming out of the UK.

What do you expect... we have a socialist government that we need to get rid of. Roll on 2010. The conservatives here are against the surveillance state, and we will win at the next election.



The annual Happy Holidays vs Merry Christmas fight comes immediately to mind. Many loud mouthed atheists refusal to allow school kids to know that there are theories other than evolution and the big bang about where earth and people came from springs up as well. The stupid belief of many faith challenged folks that once you are elected to office, your faith and convictions have to be put in a little box and never let out in public or allowed to influence your policies and decisions.

I have to say that the Happy Holidays seems to be an American thing rather than a European one. As an atheist, I am fine with saying Merry Christmas.

There is a glut of PC thinking on both sides of the aisle. There is a case to be stated that the bus driver should have received no pay for each shift where he refused to drive the bus ... instead the company is bending over backwards to accommodate him.

JB
01-17-2009, 03:33 PM
The man gets paid to drive a bus. He does not get paid to decide what is posted on the side of the bus.

I don't see this as any different than the muzzie cab drivers that won't transport people that are carrying alcohol.

He should be fired.

FlaGator
01-17-2009, 03:47 PM
The campaign was reactionary towards bus adverts that pretty much did exactly what you describe. It was a bait and switch... Nice friendly religious message on the bus, then if you surfed to the website it told you to beleive or else spend eternity in a lake of fire.

I thought you had a long weekend planned? I hope your plans didn't fall through. I'm stuck working from home all weekend. I can't complain, it beats going in to the office.

lacarnut
01-17-2009, 04:08 PM
The annual Happy Holidays vs Merry Christmas fight comes immediately to mind. Many loud mouthed atheists refusal to allow school kids to know that there are theories other than evolution and the big bang about where earth and people came from springs up as well. The stupid belief of many faith challenged folks that once you are elected to office, your faith and convictions have to be put in a little box and never let out in public or allowed to influence your policies and decisions.

Politicians expressing their faith in GOD: Democrats==GOOD----Republicians== BAD

Have you ever heard of an atheist or any of their followers bash Bill & Hillary for their Christian beliefs? How about grease-ball Al or mouth of the south Jessie? Therefore, I will let the Good Lord be the judge whether their beliefs are thinly veiled.

enslaved1
01-17-2009, 04:36 PM
What do you expect... we have a socialist government that we need to get rid of. Roll on 2010. The conservatives here are against the surveillance state, and we will win at the next election.

Good to hear. I wish your opposition luck.


I have to say that the Happy Holidays seems to be an American thing rather than a European one. As an atheist, I am fine with saying Merry Christmas.

Then you may remove yourself from the group I am griping about. Even if you insist on saying Happy Holidays, you're not one of the people I'm griping about. The hyper PC folks who insist I say Happy Holidays, or demand that stores don't put up Merry Christmas signs in the name of inclusiveness, those are the targets of my ire.


There is a glut of PC thinking on both sides of the aisle. There is a case to be stated that the bus driver should have received no pay for each shift where he refused to drive the bus ... instead the company is bending over backwards to accommodate him.

You drive this bus instead of that bus is not bending over backwards. Letting food workers not wash their hands because it would expose to much skin for their religious beliefs, that's bending over backwards.

wilbur
01-17-2009, 04:57 PM
I thought you had a long weekend planned? I hope your plans didn't fall through. I'm stuck working from home all weekend. I can't complain, it beats going in to the office.

No I'm enjoying my weekend but have been able to get sporadic access to the on my phone during some dull moments. Typing is tedious though

jinxmchue
01-17-2009, 11:52 PM
The campaign was reactionary towards bus adverts that pretty much did exactly what you describe. It was a bait and switch... Nice friendly religious message on the bus, then if you surfed to the website it told you to beleive or else spend eternity in a lake of fire.

Uh-huh. Sure. I believe that. Right. Yep. Totally.

So who took out the ads? Fred Phelps?

jinxmchue
01-17-2009, 11:53 PM
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b26/flagator/atheistbus2.jpg

Win!!! :D

biccat
01-18-2009, 08:51 AM
The man gets paid to drive a bus. He does not get paid to decide what is posted on the side of the bus.

I don't see this as any different than the muzzie cab drivers that won't transport people that are carrying alcohol.

He should be fired.

He said he didn't want to drive the bus that day, discussed it calmly and rationally with his supervisors, who decided they would accommodate his wishes when possible, but if it is the only bus available, he has to drive it.

Vastly different than Muslim cab drivers who refuse to transport alcohol, service dogs, and probably eventually women who aren't covered head to toe.

david-au
01-18-2009, 04:15 PM
There's probably no Moscow either..... as I've never seen it, or been there.

FlaGator
01-18-2009, 08:43 PM
Win!!! :D

I love photoshop... It is our friend :D

wilbur
01-19-2009, 11:58 AM
There's probably no Moscow either..... as I've never seen it, or been there.

Well, you're not taking into account that there is reliable empirical evidence that Moscow exists... despite never having travelled there yourself. ;)

Mythic
01-19-2009, 01:20 PM
If he doesn't want to drive the bus because it says something against his religion then he shouldn't have to drive it. That goes for atheists, muslims, christians, or any other relgion/lack thereof. If the company needs that bus driver so badly they should simply change the sign on the bus to be less offensive to certain people.

djones520
01-19-2009, 01:27 PM
If he doesn't want to drive the bus because it says something against his religion then he shouldn't have to drive it. That goes for atheists, muslims, christians, or any other relgion/lack thereof. If the company needs that bus driver so badly they should simply change the sign on the bus to be less offensive to certain people.

So someone hires the bus company for something. Because the people that the bus company employ's doesn't like it, it should tell the people that employed it, that they won't do what they where payed to do.

Sorry, but the bus drivers really have no rights here. It's a testament to the company that they where willing to work with the driver to make the best of the issue, but the company would have been well within their rights to fire him had they wanted to.