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AHeneen
01-22-2009, 02:45 PM
'Polite' Britons died on Titanic
More British passengers died on the Titanic because they queued politely for lifeboats, researchers believe.

Thursday, 22 January 2009
From the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7843154.stm)
A behavioural economist says data suggests Britons in that era were more inclined to be "gentlemanly" while Americans were more "individualist".

Women with children had a 70% better chance of survival than men in such an environment, he told the BBC.
The Titanic sank during its maiden voyage in 1912 after hitting an iceberg, with the loss of 1,500 lives.

David Savage, from Queenland University of Technology, studied the disaster to look at how people react in life and death situations.

He said that in testimonies from inquiries in America and Britain just after the event, there were a lot of statements from women saying their husbands put them on lifeboats.

They then "went to the back of the boat to have a cigar, to stand around and be chummy, while basically the boat went down."

Mr Savage said: "There was one gentleman who was rather wealthy... who went back downstairs after he put his wife on the [life] boat... put on his tuxedo...went back upstairs and smoked... with the idea that if I am going die, I may as well die as a gentleman and well-dressed."

'Peak of society'

The "unsinkable" ocean liner went down in freezing Atlantic waters during its voyage from Southampton to New York. As it sank, the captain, Edward John Smith, shouted: "Be British, boys, be British," according to witnesses.

"The American culture was set up to be a more individualist culture and the British culture was more about the gentlemanly behaviour," Mr Savage says.

"You've got to remember that this is the Edwardian period when to be a gentleman was the peak of society."

Mr Savage also concludes that social norms such as "women and children first" were very strong in British culture and survived in such an environment.

AHeneen
01-22-2009, 02:50 PM
While some might think of this as "American bashing", I think it does bring up an interesting subject. I, for one, am quite appalled when, on my few trips abroad, I see Americans being rude and disrespectful. I know this was nearly 100 years ago and the Brits are less "gentlemanly" today than they were, but little has changed among us. It certainly raises an interesting subject, even if it is a no-brainer. (And I do think they should have put in some figures.)

Full-Auto
01-22-2009, 06:05 PM
It depends on the area of the country in which you were raised, and of course the social morals of your parents.

If I ever didn't hold a door for a woman, or step aside for a woman while boarding an elevator... things like that, my mother or father would have slapped me silly.

AHeneen
01-22-2009, 06:13 PM
It depends on the area of the country in which you were raised, and of course the social morals of your parents.

If I ever didn't hold a door for a woman, or step aside for a woman while boarding an elevator... things like that, my mother or father would have slapped me silly.

Absolutely, but the majority...

Shannon
01-22-2009, 08:58 PM
While some might think of this as "American bashing", I think it does bring up an interesting subject. I, for one, am quite appalled when, on my few trips abroad, I see Americans being rude and disrespectful.

How so?

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AHeneen
01-22-2009, 10:13 PM
American Researchers Dispute Claims of 'Polite' Titanic Victims
Link (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,481690,00.html)

noonwitch
01-23-2009, 10:54 AM
I think most people are willing to ensure that kids and moms are saved in a disaster. It's not exclusive to "gentleman".