PDA

View Full Version : DUmmies defend teen drunk driver



ralph wiggum
05-30-2008, 12:48 PM
Not all, but a really disgusting defense....:mad:


MountainLaurel (1000+ posts)
Fri May-30-08 10:10 AM
Original message
Teen Who Drove Drunk Gets 30 Days for Fatality (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3363324)

30 DAYS?!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/images/nuke.gif


A 17-year-old Fairfax County girl who pleaded guilty in a drunken-driving crash that killed a Leesburg woman was sentenced yesterday to 30 days in a juvenile detention center and ordered to do 500 hours of community service.

Loudoun County juvenile court Judge Pamela L. Brooks suspended the most punitive part of the sentence, which called for the teenager to be detained until September 2011, when she turns 21. Brooks also revoked the girl's driver's license and ordered her to get a job to pay $5,000 in funeral expenses to the victim's family.

The teenager was sent to Loudoun's detention center April 21 after she pleaded guilty to involuntary manslaughter. Brooks did not give her any credit for the 38 days she has served.

Kathleen Becker, 59, died instantly the night of Sept. 20 when her van was hit head-on by the teenager's sport-utility vehicle. Becker was returning home from choir practice at a Catholic church in Sterling.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...


lionesspriyanka(1000+ posts)
Fri May-30-08 10:31 AM
Response to Original message
9. she is a kid.


MountainLaurel (1000+ posts)
Fri May-30-08 10:32 AM
Response to Reply #9
11. A kid who murdered someone n/t


lionesspriyanka(1000+ posts)
Fri May-30-08 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #11
14. not deliberately. she accidentally ran over someone.

Edited on Fri May-30-08 10:38 AM by lionesspriyanka
at 17 ones understanding of consequences is far limited.


Tesha (1000+ posts)
Fri May-30-08 10:39 AM
Response to Reply #14
17. She chose to drink. She was doubtless schooled in the consequences.

Or don't they show Red Asphalt or its kin
to kids anymore?


lionesspriyanka(1000+ posts)
Fri May-30-08 10:41 AM
Response to Reply #17
19. actually i doubt she was schooled in it very much. since americans do not allow their kids

to drink under 21, they also dont really bother to explain the consequences that much.

kinda like abstinence only programs.


MountainLaurel(1000+ posts)
Fri May-30-08 10:41 AM
Response to Reply #14
18. But does that mean there should be no consequences

Other than her poor, bruised conscience?

What did she think would happen when she got hammered at a football game and then decided to take a drive?


lionesspriyanka(1000+ posts)
Fri May-30-08 10:42 AM
Response to Reply #18
21. she probably didnt think anything.


MountainLaurel (1000+ posts)
Fri May-30-08 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #21
24. Exactly

Edited on Fri May-30-08 10:51 AM by MountainLaurel
And I'm of the opinion that willful ignorance is even worse than deliberate action in this case. And it's not like she didn't know what she was doing was dangerous: All of the high schools in her county have drunk driving awareness education programs, and a lot of schools will park a wrecked car (from a DUI accident) in front of the school during prom season to remind students what drinking and driving will do. And the judge herself said she was a smart girl, so it's not like she was mentally incapable of understanding her actions.

Frankly, I'd like to see the U.S. institute a system like Germany's where if you get caught drinking and driving, you lose your license. Period. Forever.


lionesspriyanka (1000+ posts)
Fri May-30-08 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #24
36. you are talking about a 17 year old. maybe you people have forgotten being 17


ProfessorGAC(1000+ posts)
Fri May-30-08 10:38 AM
Response to Reply #11
15. Murder Requires Motive and Intent

The Professor

jendf
05-30-2008, 01:35 PM
That sentence is a slap in the face to the Becker family. And the DUmmies general reaction to it is disgraceful. But I would expect nothing less fromt hem.

FDK
05-30-2008, 01:46 PM
If she were the daughter of a Republican senator or congressman, the DUmmies would want her hanged.

That thread just goes to show how liberals will excuse ANYTHING. At least some of the DUmmies showed some sense.

That sentence is a travesty for killing somone through wantonly negligent behavior.

FlaGator
05-30-2008, 03:13 PM
In Florida she would have gotten a couple of years for vehicular manslaughter. Florida has no tolerance for accident's that involve alcohol and cars.

Bill inGA
05-30-2008, 04:43 PM
Driving a car on the roads, drunk or sober, is an adult responsibility. Therefore anyone underage, but of legal driving age, who commits a crime in a car should be treated as an adult in the eyes of the court.

Too many kids like this who get a slap on the wrist and have their records sealed for the rest of their lives as if nothing ever happened.

Sonnabend
05-30-2008, 05:01 PM
Here, said kiddie would be looking at ten years jail, maybe longer.

In Australia, drink and drive at MINIMUM means a years jail for low PCA...high PCA and kiss the next five years goodbye


A young law student has been jailed by an Adelaide judge for drink driving which killed his best friend.

A year ago, Burton Reynolds, 20, got behind the wheel after drinking, with others in the car including student Kent Stockdale.


Reynolds crashed at North Adelaide and Mr Stockdale was killed.

District Court Judge Paul Rice has jailed Reynolds for two years and eight months, with a non-parole term of 10 months.

http://www.nt.gov.au/ntlac/legal_info/DrinkDriving-pleadingguilty(anastascia).pdf

We had a case similar to the one you see above...except here, said 17 year old will not see freedom till 2014. Licence cancelled forever.

Judge threw the book.

bruce316
05-30-2008, 10:57 PM
What else is new with them they excuse everything under the sun but they only things they dont excuse is us and Republicans

Space Gravy
05-31-2008, 08:59 AM
lionesspriyanka (1000+ posts)
Fri May-30-08 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #24
36. you are talking about a 17 year old. maybe you people have forgotten being 17

Wow. Just wow.

DarkHalo
05-31-2008, 10:23 AM
When people have no morals they will excuse anything. This is yet another example of how liberalism is rotten to the core. But with that said if it were a member of lionesspriyankas family I am fairly certain she wouldnt be quite so understanding. Their sense of 'tolerance' is always when it is the other guy that is affected. Much the same as how they are always happy to raise taxes on 'the other guy' but not themselves. More likely she would be the one leading the group of peasants carrying torches and pitchforks.

NYhorizon
06-01-2008, 12:41 AM
30 days seems to be an awfully lenient sentence for drunk driving that kills an innocent motorist, even if the offender is 17 years old.

Eyelids
06-01-2008, 12:51 AM
We all remember HS, you had a pretty damn good idea where there would be alcohol and could easily plan accordingly (read: not bring your car) to compensate and keep yourself and the people around you safe. Theres a way to drink responsibly at that age, and it's sad that some people just can grasp that. If you're going to drink, dont drive. Taxi cabs, walking... I know I called my parents telling them I wouldnt be able to make it home because I was drinking.

Theres a lot of people to blame for this, this girl should wait until shes 21 to be free again.

Eyelids
06-01-2008, 09:55 PM
When people have no morals they will excuse anything. This is yet another example of how liberalism is rotten to the core. But with that said if it were a member of lionesspriyankas family I am fairly certain she wouldnt be quite so understanding. Their sense of 'tolerance' is always when it is the other guy that is affected. Much the same as how they are always happy to raise taxes on 'the other guy' but not themselves. More likely she would be the one leading the group of peasants carrying torches and pitchforks.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,998465,00.html

explain this one.

nightflight
06-01-2008, 10:52 PM
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,998465,00.html

explain this one.

Bush readily admitted he had been drinking, Bridges said, and made no attempt to evade the consequences.

Eyelids
06-02-2008, 02:06 AM
Bush readily admitted he had been drinking, Bridges said, and made no attempt to evade the consequences.

It doesnt matter how he handled it afterwards, he could've gotten somebody killed.

ralph wiggum
06-02-2008, 02:10 AM
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,998465,00.html

explain this one.

Jeebus, everything always has to come back to Bush, doesn't it. :rolleyes: Get over the Bush Derangement Syndrome already. He's not the best President ever, but he's far from the worst.

M1A2
06-02-2008, 06:50 AM
It doesnt matter how he handled it afterwards, he could've gotten somebody killed.

No one's arguing that. But what's your agenda here? Do you want the conservatives here to stood up for what Bush did so we'd be "as bad as" (one of the DUmmies' favorite phrases) the Dummies?

No chance, holmes.

Irish Mom
06-02-2008, 07:20 AM
lionesspriyanka(1000+ posts)
Fri May-30-08 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #11
14. not deliberately. she accidentally ran over someone.

Edited on Fri May-30-08 10:38 AM by lionesspriyanka
at 17 ones understanding of consequences is far limited.

Unless, of course, you are having an abortion . . then you are completely capable of understanding and accepting the consequences. :rolleyes:

Zathras
06-02-2008, 08:17 AM
We all remember HS, you had a pretty damn good idea where there would be alcohol and could easily plan accordingly (read: not bring your car) to compensate and keep yourself and the people around you safe. Theres a way to drink responsibly at that age, and it's sad that some people just can grasp that. If you're going to drink, dont drive. Taxi cabs, walking... I know I called my parents telling them I wouldnt be able to make it home because I was drinking.

Theres a lot of people to blame for this, this girl should wait until shes 21 to be free again.

Hmmm, so you advocate breaking the law of underage drinking...you say you can drink responsibly at 17? Wow, you're more of an idiot than I thought...but it should be expected from such a dishonorable, lying waste of skin.

biccat
06-02-2008, 10:56 AM
ProfessorGAC(1000+ posts)
Fri May-30-08 10:38 AM
Response to Reply #11
15. Murder Requires Motive and Intent

The Professor
Hey Professor, learn some basics. Second degree murder is not a specific intent crime. There is sufficient intent for a second degree murder conviction to hold in this case. Not a very good professor, although I'd be surprised if he actually has any academic credentials beyond "I graduated 6th grade."

Shannon
06-02-2008, 11:00 AM
Jeebus, everything always has to come back to Bush, doesn't it. :rolleyes:


Seriously! It's hilarious.

nightflight
06-02-2008, 11:41 AM
Unless, of course, you are having an abortion . . then you are completely capable of understanding and accepting the consequences. :rolleyes:


I was thinking the same thing!

noonwitch
06-03-2008, 08:24 AM
In Florida she would have gotten a couple of years for vehicular manslaughter. Florida has no tolerance for accident's that involve alcohol and cars.


In Michigan, she would have faced a similar fate. At 17, she would be going to adult court, too. She may not have received the whole 2 years, if there was a sentence involving rehab, but she would have gotten a lot more than 30 days. And any screw-up (a +drug screen, failure to perform community service, etc.) and she would be doing the whole 2 years.