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buyer111us
01-24-2009, 03:36 PM
King Obama has already started down the road of completely re-facing what America is. From granting the closure of the Detention Camp at Gitmo to giving away taxpayer money overseas for abortion, what do we do? I feel so isolated from my country, that my opinion or my stance as well as others doesn't matter anymore. Do we protest? Do we get up and leave? Do we join a militia? Do we just surrender and give up? I really don't know what we are to do. Conservatives are being silenced even more by the media. Did this President forget that over 58 million people did not vote for him? Suggestions, anyone.


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JenT
01-24-2009, 03:49 PM
I get peace from reading the Scriptures. God said this would all happen, it's the only comfort I know of.

I'm a bit tired of hearing other Christians telling each other not to complain, to do nothing but respect Obama and how that's the godlything to do, I so disagree. Jesus was telling the Jews to obey the Romans. And I think we need to be lawabiding of course, in the same way.

But I see Obama like I see Ahab, Obama is shaping up to be one of the most evil rulers around. I don't think God expects us to embrace him and act like we agree with whatever he says.

Just keep looking for His coming. Amazing how much Scripture prophesies are coming alive on the page.

FeebMaster
01-24-2009, 04:09 PM
I suggest sticking with the tried and true methods Republicans have used for ages.

Cry about everything Obama does for the next four years.

Pretend that you want smaller government. Quoting Ronald Reagan gets you bonus points here.

When the primaries roll around, demonize any candidate who looks like they might actually want smaller government. Ultimately pick a socialist who wants pretty much everything Obama does, only he'll spend all that abortion money on the military, the war on drugs, and/or Israel.

With luck, by then, enough people might be sick of the Democrats so you're guy gets slightly more than half the votes cast. If not, try again in four years.

linda22003
01-24-2009, 04:55 PM
You do recall that McCain also called for closing Guantanamo, right?

JenT
01-24-2009, 05:52 PM
I suggest sticking with the tried and true methods Republicans have used for ages.

Cry about everything Obama does for the next four years.

Pretend that you want smaller government. Quoting Ronald Reagan gets you bonus points here.

When the primaries roll around, demonize any candidate who looks like they might actually want smaller government. Ultimately pick a socialist who wants pretty much everything Obama does, only he'll spend all that abortion money on the military, the war on drugs, and/or Israel.

With luck, by then, enough people might be sick of the Democrats so you're guy gets slightly more than half the votes cast. If not, try again in four years.

Crying over millions of shredded infants? The ones that would have supported my generation as we got older? If millions of dead children isn't something to cry over, nothing is.

I'll agree though, the GOP made a huge error when they disregarded their Christian conservative base.

FeebMaster
01-24-2009, 06:29 PM
Crying over millions of shredded infants? The ones that would have supported my generation as we got older? If millions of dead children isn't something to cry over, nothing is.

I'll agree though, the GOP made a huge error when they disregarded their Christian conservative base.

Wait. Abortion upsets you because you need future taxpayers to support your welfare leeching ass?

I always thought it was a religious thing.

AmPat
01-24-2009, 06:51 PM
That's been pretty much the format. Anyway, haven't we gone over this already? McCain wanted to close Gitmo too, but nobody seemed to mind:

http://news.aol.com/elections-blog/2007/03/18/mccain-close-guantanamo-bay/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1545925/Straight-talking-McCain-vows-to-fix-world%27s-view-of-the-%27ugly-American%27.html

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2007-06-18-gitmo-candidates_N.htm

Party over principles strikes again. :rolleyes:

Anyway, closing Gitmo doesn't mean the prisoners go free. I think this is a non-issue like gays in the military.
Who thought for a nanosecond that McCain mattered? I did not like or support McCain. I voted for him because I did not want to stand by and let the only avowed Socialist get the WH by default.

McCain is NOT a Conservative, he's a political opportunist. He is no Republican, he is a RINO. Before accusing this entire board of "party over politics," you should review the evidence. Who agreed on this board with ANY candidate in favor of closing Gitmo?

If it is a non issue, you must have the elusive answer to what we do with these pieces of scum? Nobody else seems to have the answer, please share your ideas.

FlaGator
01-24-2009, 08:07 PM
Wait. Abortion upsets you because you need future taxpayers to support your welfare leeching ass?

I always thought it was a religious thing.


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FlaGator
01-24-2009, 08:08 PM
Crying over millions of shredded infants? The ones that would have supported my generation as we got older? If millions of dead children isn't something to cry over, nothing is.

I'll agree though, the GOP made a huge error when they disregarded their Christian conservative base.

Ignore him. I do and it makes for a more pleasurable message board experience.

AmPat
01-25-2009, 12:34 AM
I saw not one complaint here when McCain vowed to close Gitmo. In fact, I submit that 90% of the posters here would defend the closing of Gitmo if McCain were doing it. If I'm wrong and someone here took exception to McCain's anti-Gitmo stance before November, please direct me to the thread.

Had I seen a post that suggested this I assure you I would have responded the same. I have voiced opposition to GW/McCain and any other moron including most if not all DIMS regarding pork, big gov't, open borders, etc. Generally any stupid idea regardless of the origination, Usually the origination comes from the left so I direct most comments toward them. When faux right wingers side with idiocy, I counter.

As for voting for Republicans, my philosophy is rapidly evolving to exactly what you suggest. My last hurdle is that historically there has been no legitimate third party candidate. Usually they can't pass the goofball test or one trick pony phase.

Perot/ Forbes/Nader/McKinney/// See my point?

Where is the valid, realistic, serious third party candidate?

linda22003
01-25-2009, 07:03 AM
Wait. Abortion upsets you because you need future taxpayers to support your welfare leeching ass?

I always thought it was a religious thing.

I often see that as an argument - "Social Security wouldn't be in trouble if those babies hadn't been aborted". Saying we got rid of people who could have been our indentured servants is not a very noble argument, but it's frequently used.

buyer111us
01-25-2009, 07:52 AM
Hi Everyone,

I think this thread has gotten a little off track, when I started this I was looking for answer as what we could do about insane Hussein. It really doesn't matter who wanted to close gitmo, the fact is this celebrity president is doing it and abortion is just plain evil and to use taxpayer money from 58 million people who did not vote for this guy is wrong. What I would like to see is a discussion of what we can do to control our servants in government, other than waiting 4 years to try and vote them out. This is not a republican thing, this is a conservative matter and we have to step up to the plate and be heard loudly, but how do we do it?

jeskibuff
01-25-2009, 08:22 AM
That's been pretty much the format. Anyway, haven't we gone over this already? McCain wanted to close Gitmo too, but nobody seemed to mind:I'd like to see Gitmo closed too. I'd like the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to end too. I'd like it if Israel didn't bomb Gaza anymore. Bush pretty much said the same thing. I think most everybody would like to see the end of warring and conflict.

The difference between this kind of thinking and the vacuous liberal thought process is that you should do those things when they aren't necessary anymore. You close Gitmo when there are no more terrorists that threaten our security or there are better facilities to take its place. You end the wars when the Iraqis and Afghans are ready and able to protect their population from Islamists. Israel stops bombing Gaza when Hamas stops lobbing rockets into Israel and indicate they desire to coexist peacefully with Israel.

It was funny to see the reaction of some MSM people to Obummer's action this week. I think it was Brian Williams discussing Gitmo with David Gregory. Suddenly they're getting an awareness to the implications of the actions. Where will the terrorists go if they're released? They gave several examples of where some were released and went right back to orchestrating attacks, one responsible for the bombing of one of our embassies. Obummer probably hasn't thought it through, either. He just wanted to show he's keeping his campaign promises. This is one time I'd like to see politicians break their promises, just for the good of the country.

Obummer wants to pull out of Iraq in 16 months. What kind of stupid comes up with a number like that? What if things get worse there? And what of the possibility that Iraqi military gets their act together and eradicates the enemy? Why not begin a massive pull out within a month if that should happen? Certainly the surge dramatically improved conditions there within a very short time period. Again, this is the kind of thinking that liberals are seemingly unable to grasp. They need a "plan" drawn up, as if a war could be scheduled and an enemy's actions were totally predictable.


Abortion upsets you because you need future taxpayers to support your welfare leeching ass?

I always thought it was a religious thing.I'm certain JenT's much more concerned with preventing the slaughter of millions of innocent children rather than their future ability to provide her retirement security. It's obvious that millions of others don't think that way. If they can't see the wrong in the slaughter, perhaps an appeal to their greed will provide an impetus for halting the massacre.

noonwitch
01-26-2009, 09:25 AM
I often see that as an argument - "Social Security wouldn't be in trouble if those babies hadn't been aborted". Saying we got rid of people who could have been our indentured servants is not a very noble argument, but it's frequently used.


Most of those potential babies would probably be on unemployment and paying nothing into Social Security at this point in time. Burger King is laying people off, these days.