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Sonnabend
01-27-2009, 06:30 AM
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24971933-23109,00.html

US President Barack Obama has told the Muslim world that "Americans are not your enemy" and renewed his pledge to travel to make an address in the capital of a major Muslim nation.

Mr Obama noted that he had lived in Indonesia for several years while growing up, and said his travels through Muslim nations had convinced him that regardless of faith, people had certain common hopes and dreams.

"My job to the Muslim world is to communicate that the Americans are not your enemy - we sometimes make mistakes - we have not been perfect," Mr Obama said in an interview with the Al-Arabiya satellite television network "But if you look at the track record ... America was not born as a colonial power, and that the same respect and partnership that America had with the Muslim world as recently as 20 or 30 years ago, there's no reason why we can't restore that."

During the 2008 election campaign, Mr Obama vowed to improve US ties with the Muslim world and said he would travel to a major Islamic forum abroad to send that message.

Celestron
01-27-2009, 11:23 AM
Transcript of the interview (http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/01/27/65087.html#004)

BadCat
01-27-2009, 12:06 PM
Please tell me which "muslim" nation is going to guarantee the safety of a man who is, by his own words, an apostate?

PoliCon
01-27-2009, 12:13 PM
Please tell me which "muslim" nation is going to guarantee the safety of a man who is, by his own words, an apostate?

where does he say that?:confused:

BadCat
01-27-2009, 12:18 PM
where does he say that?:confused:

He was a Muslim, he was enrolled in an all Muslim school by his Muslim father in Indonesia.
He now says he is not a Muslim, that makes him an apostate to the Muslims.

PoliCon
01-27-2009, 12:19 PM
He was a Muslim, he was enrolled in an all Muslim school by his Muslim father in Indonesia.
He now says he is not a Muslim, that makes him an apostate to the Muslims.

where does he say I AM NOT A MUSLIM? Unless he actively repudiates the faith - they will believe he is muslim.

BadCat
01-27-2009, 12:23 PM
where does he say I AM NOT A MUSLIM? Unless he actively repudiates the faith - they will believe he is muslim.

You have a point, I believe he IS a muslim.

But I think there were questions about it prior to the election and he said he was not a muslim.

PoliCon
01-27-2009, 12:42 PM
You have a point, I believe he IS a muslim.

But I think there were questions about it prior to the election and he said he was not a muslim.

I'd have to see the quote. I've yet to see him repudiate the faith. Saying I'm a Christian is not the same as saying I'm not a muslim since every good muslim thinks they ARE a good Christian also.

bullets
01-27-2009, 12:58 PM
where does he say I AM NOT A MUSLIM? Unless he actively repudiates the faith - they will believe he is muslim.

While I have not seen him repudiate Islam, I have seen him say he is a "Christian". Which would de facto mean a denial of Islam...

JMHO. Not that I believe him.

PoliCon
01-27-2009, 01:26 PM
While I have not seen him repudiate Islam, I have seen him say he is a "Christian". Which would de facto mean a denial of Islam...

JMHO. Not that I believe him.Not in the beliefs of Islam. if he were to confess the deity of Jesus Christ - then yes - but has he done that? I have not heard him say as much. AGAIN - according to islam - every muslim is also a Christian.

hampshirebrit
01-27-2009, 01:40 PM
AGAIN - according to islam - every muslim is also a Christian.

Is this correct?

My understanding is that Islam recognises Christ only as a prophet, and not as a deity. Since the president has acknowledged Christ as a deity, he is not therefore currently a Muslim.

PoliCon
01-27-2009, 01:45 PM
Is this correct?

My understanding is that Islam recognises Christ only as a prophet, and not as a deity. Since the president has acknowledged Christ as a deity, he is not therefore currently a Muslim.when has he acknowledged him as deity? You are correct - they see Christ as a prophet and bases on that - they claim to be followers of Christ - AKA - Christians. They will not accept the divinity of Christ or any teaching based on that divinity - but they still claim to be Christians. SO - without an ACTIVE repudiation of islam - they will view him as a muslim.

hampshirebrit
01-27-2009, 01:52 PM
when has he acknowledged him as deity? You are correct - they see Christ as a prophet and bases on that - they claim to be followers of Christ - AKA - Christians. They will not accept the divinity of Christ or any teaching based on that divinity - but they still claim to be Christians. SO - without an ACTIVE repudiation of islam - they will view him as a muslim.

I would say his sitting in on the good Reverend Jeremiah's sermons for ten years pretty much qualifies him as a Christian, at least in Islam's view. I'd also say that him publicly declaring that he is a Christian, as he has also does much the same job. It might not satisfy us, but it would satisfy Islam.

And even if he was a Muslim in his childhood, apparently the Islamic rules concerning apostasy do not apply to childhood renunciation of Islam.

PoliCon
01-27-2009, 01:56 PM
I would say his sitting in on the good Reverend Jeremiah's sermons for ten years pretty much qualifies him as a Christian, at least in Islam's view. I'd also say that him publicly declaring that he is a Christian, as he has also does much the same job. It might not satisfy us, but it would satisfy Islam.

And even if he was a Muslim in his childhood, apparently the Islamic rules concerning apostasy do not apply to childhood renunciation of Islam.

Dude - you can sit in a church all your life without ever accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and savior - let alone without ever once confessing the deity of Christ. He is allowed to go to a Church and he is allowed to call himself a Christian - they do that. We had a muslim family that had their kids in the school my church operates - and if you talked to the parents - they called themselves Christians - and they had no problem coming to church - but they never once believed Christ was anything more than just a prophet.

Molon Labe
01-27-2009, 03:01 PM
Is this correct?

My understanding is that Islam recognises Christ only as a prophet, and not as a deity. Since the president has acknowledged Christ as a deity, he is not therefore currently a Muslim.

I've always found it funny that (in this case Muslims) think him a "great prophet", when someone running around saying the same things today would be put in a straight jacket.

'If Muslim's (or other non Christians) view Christ as a great prophet then they must discount all those passages where he claims his deity. But then why would anything else he said be credible?

That was one of C.S. Lewis' points...... "Either he is who he says he is or else a madman".

PoliCon
01-27-2009, 03:08 PM
I've always found it funny that (in this case Muslims) think him a "great prophet", when someone running around saying the same things today would be put in a straight jacket.

'If Muslim's (or other non Christians) view Christ as a great prophet then they must discount all those passages where he claims his deity. But then why would anything else he said be credible?

That was one of C.S. Lewis' points...... "Either he is who he says he is or else a madman".Their answer to those passages is to say that our scriptures have been corrupted. :rolleyes:

bullets
01-27-2009, 04:14 PM
Not in the beliefs of Islam. if he were to confess the deity of Jesus Christ - then yes - but has he done that? I have not heard him say as much. AGAIN - according to islam - every muslim is also a Christian.

ahhhh, I don't think this to be true. Every Muslim is NOT also a Christian.

Muslims believe Christ was a "nifty guy" (prophet) but they do not believe He was more than that.

In fact many more hardline Islamic scholars decry Christianity because it's "polytheistic" (we worship Father, Son AND Holy Ghost).

I don't mean to be argumentative. ;) We're on the same side.

Goldwater
01-27-2009, 04:23 PM
His campaign was more Christian-y than McCain's, he has been going to a chuch (even if it was a bad one) for years, how can people sit there and honestly think hes a muslim?

ljswisc
01-27-2009, 05:40 PM
Well he certainly isn't Christian, his religion in that church was Black Liberation Theology. He also admitted that like Oprah he believes there are many paths to heaven not just the one Christian's follow. That is not true Christianity.

As far as being muslim... I'm curious. Are there any muslims that are pro-choice?

Odysseus
01-27-2009, 09:19 PM
And even if he was a Muslim in his childhood, apparently the Islamic rules concerning apostasy do not apply to childhood renunciation of Islam.
It depends on which school of jurisprudence you subscribe to. The Salafist school (which is the Wahabbi version) considers anyone who was a Moslem but embraced another religion to be an apostate. Given that Obama was listed as a Moslem when he was in high school, his apostasy wouldn't have been considered a childhood breach.

Well he certainly isn't Christian, his religion in that church was Black Liberation Theology. He also admitted that like Oprah he believes there are many paths to heaven not just the one Christian's follow. That is not true Christianity.
As far as being muslim... I'm curious. Are there any muslims that are pro-choice?
Only if you consider suicide bombing a form of abortion.

Anyone watching Obama's act for the last few years should know by now that the only thing that he worships is himself. This is a guy who's never held a real job, never done anything except run for office and make a minor nuisance of himself, but managed to write two autobiographies about nothing. That's an amazing amount of self-absorption, even among the left. He throws away friends and relatives the moment that they become liabilities, because their only value to him is to get ahead. His only real emotion is ambition.

PoliCon
01-27-2009, 11:58 PM
ahhhh, I don't think this to be true. Every Muslim is NOT also a Christian.

Muslims believe Christ was a "nifty guy" (prophet) but they do not believe He was more than that.

In fact many more hardline Islamic scholars decry Christianity because it's "polytheistic" (we worship Father, Son AND Holy Ghost).

I don't mean to be argumentative. ;) We're on the same side.Bullets - You're missing the point. I've had to deal with muslims in their attempts to proselytize. It's one of the things they will claim to wing converts from Christianity - AND since the term Christian means follower of Christ - they can claim that term and DO claim it. They disagree with mainline Christinity on most aspects of doctrine - but they also claim to follow the teachings of Christ. TRUST ME - he can skate by in their book with no problems as long as he does not repudiate any aspect of islamic faith. SO - unless I hear him say something that is a repudiation of Islam - I'm not convinced - and neither are they that he is not a muslim.

PoliCon
01-27-2009, 11:59 PM
His campaign was more Christian-y than McCain's, he has been going to a chuch (even if it was a bad one) for years, how can people sit there and honestly think hes a muslim?Going to a church does not make you a muslim any more than going to a stadium makes you an athlete.

Goldwater
01-28-2009, 08:15 AM
Going to a church does not make you a muslim any more than going to a stadium makes you an athlete.

For 20 years?

AmPat
01-28-2009, 08:33 AM
Anyone watching Obama's act for the last few years should know by now that the only thing that he worships is himself. This is a guy who's never held a real job, never done anything except run for office and make a minor nuisance of himself, but managed to write two autobiographies about nothing. That's an amazing amount of self-absorption, even among the left. He throws away friends and relatives the moment that they become liabilities, because their only value to him is to get ahead. His only real emotion is ambition.

I like the way you wordsmith. :)

I have been calling attention to Obama's Narcissism since it became apparent the masses were swallowing his crap. I will once again say it:
Obama brings nothing to the table. He is an unaccomplished mouthpiece. He is WAAAYYY over his head.

I wish him well as the POTUS for the sake of the country. I do not support his liberal-Socialist agenda.

Our voters need to wake the H3JJ up! Liberalism will kill Democracy and Capitalism in our country.

PoliCon
01-28-2009, 08:39 AM
For 20 years?
Does going to sporting events for 100 years make you an athlete?

Does going to school for 20 years make you a scholar?

Does going to the doctors for 20 years make you a surgeon?