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AHeneen
01-28-2009, 09:22 PM
Special-Interest Groups Line Up for a Piece of Stimulus
As the economic stimulus bill makes its way through Congress, a host of oddball recipients from ATV riders to TV viewers preparing for the digital conversion stand to benefit.

Wednesday, January 28, 2009
Fox News

By Jim Angle

When Congress opens up a gusher of money, every special interest in the country reaches for a bucket. And as lawmakers negotiate an economic stimulus bill that so far is expected to cost more than $800 billion, the scenario is no different.

The House passed its version of the bill Wednesday evening, and a host of oddball recipients from ATV riders to TV viewers preparing for the digital conversion stand to benefit.

But critics question why such narrowly tailored add-ons -- which have little, if any, prospect of creating large numbers of new jobs -- are in an emergency bill aimed at stimulating the economy and creating jobs.

"The stimulus bill delivers on a lot of promises that Democrats have made over the past decade to special interest groups," said William Beach, director of the Heritage Foundation's Center for Data Analysis. "This is their time to kind of bring home the bacon."

Among the funding measures included in the proposal are $25 million for new ATV trails; $400 million for the National Endowment for the Arts; $400 million for global warming research; $335 million for the Centers for Disease Control to combat sexually-transmitted diseases; and $650 million coupons to subsidize TV viewers for digital television conversion.

"I think it's a real problem that things that are not genuinely related to stimulus are being pushed into the stimulus bill, which is then being put on a fast track that has to be done by February," said Alan D. Viard, an economist at the conservative American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research.

"We have hundreds of billions of dollars shoved into this package without taking the time to deliberately consider what amounts we need and what the effective way would be to spend it," he said.

The White House, though, argues that the stimulus package is indeed aimed at creating jobs.

"I think that you have a hard economic argument to make that paving a road, or fixing a bridge, or building a wind turbine, or laying a power grid doesn't create jobs," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said.

Those kinds of projects do create job, but critics argue there is relatively little for those kinds of projects in there: Of the $819 billion package, $30 billion has been set aside for infrastructure spending.

"If there's going to be a stimulus part to this whole effort, it's going to be in the shovel-ready construction projects on our nation's highways and byways," Beach said. "But that's just a ridiculously small number."

House Democratic leaders reluctantly removed two programs that had drawn fire: $200 million for new contraceptive service and $20 million to renovate the National Mall.

But another problem exists. Even money directed at infrastructure can face delays.

For example, a proposal to spend $2.9 billion for new military hospitals says the money couldn't be spent for years -- unless Congress sets aside obstacles of its own creation.

And throwing money at problems, no matter how pressing, does have a downside. The Congressional Budget Office says borrowing $820 billion will cost $347 billion more in interest, which of course pushes the total cost of the stimulus package to more than $1 trillion.

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The title of this thread should have said "... at pork..." not "...a pork...".

BadCat
01-28-2009, 09:27 PM
Special-Interest Groups Line Up for a Piece of Stimulus
As the economic stimulus bill makes its way through Congress, a host of oddball recipients from ATV riders to TV viewers preparing for the digital conversion stand to benefit.

Wednesday, January 28, 2009
Fox News

By Jim Angle

When Congress opens up a gusher of money, every special interest in the country reaches for a bucket. And as lawmakers negotiate an economic stimulus bill that so far is expected to cost more than $800 billion, the scenario is no different.

The House passed its version of the bill Wednesday evening, and a host of oddball recipients from ATV riders to TV viewers preparing for the digital conversion stand to benefit.

But critics question why such narrowly tailored add-ons -- which have little, if any, prospect of creating large numbers of new jobs -- are in an emergency bill aimed at stimulating the economy and creating jobs.

"The stimulus bill delivers on a lot of promises that Democrats have made over the past decade to special interest groups," said William Beach, director of the Heritage Foundation's Center for Data Analysis. "This is their time to kind of bring home the bacon."

Among the funding measures included in the proposal are $25 million for new ATV trails; $400 million for the National Endowment for the Arts; $400 million for global warming research; $335 million for the Centers for Disease Control to combat sexually-transmitted diseases; and $650 million coupons to subsidize TV viewers for digital television conversion.

"I think it's a real problem that things that are not genuinely related to stimulus are being pushed into the stimulus bill, which is then being put on a fast track that has to be done by February," said Alan D. Viard, an economist at the conservative American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research.

"We have hundreds of billions of dollars shoved into this package without taking the time to deliberately consider what amounts we need and what the effective way would be to spend it," he said.

The White House, though, argues that the stimulus package is indeed aimed at creating jobs.

"I think that you have a hard economic argument to make that paving a road, or fixing a bridge, or building a wind turbine, or laying a power grid doesn't create jobs," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said.

Those kinds of projects do create job, but critics argue there is relatively little for those kinds of projects in there: Of the $819 billion package, $30 billion has been set aside for infrastructure spending.

"If there's going to be a stimulus part to this whole effort, it's going to be in the shovel-ready construction projects on our nation's highways and byways," Beach said. "But that's just a ridiculously small number."

House Democratic leaders reluctantly removed two programs that had drawn fire: $200 million for new contraceptive service and $20 million to renovate the National Mall.

But another problem exists. Even money directed at infrastructure can face delays.

For example, a proposal to spend $2.9 billion for new military hospitals says the money couldn't be spent for years -- unless Congress sets aside obstacles of its own creation.

And throwing money at problems, no matter how pressing, does have a downside. The Congressional Budget Office says borrowing $820 billion will cost $347 billion more in interest, which of course pushes the total cost of the stimulus package to more than $1 trillion.

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The title of this thread should have said "... at pork..." not "...a pork...".

Americans should really learn how much a trillion dollars is....


It would take a military jet flying at the speed of sound, reeling out a roll of dollar bills behind it, 14 years before it reeled out one trillion dollar bills.

Odysseus
01-29-2009, 12:04 PM
Americans should really learn how much a trillion dollars is....

Weren't these the same congressional Democrats who said that we couldn't afford a few billion for a border fence?

SaintLouieWoman
01-29-2009, 12:33 PM
Weren't these the same congressional Democrats who said that we couldn't afford a few billion for a border fence?
Or for any expenses for the military in Iraq?

djones520
01-29-2009, 12:48 PM
Or for any expenses for the military in Iraq?

Who cares about feeding the troops? We need ATV trails damnit!

linda22003
01-29-2009, 01:33 PM
Has anyone read the entire text of the legislation? I mean, besides me?

This part is kind of fun:

"SEC. 1112. ADDITIONAL ASSURANCE OF APPROPRIATE USE OF FUNDS.

None of the funds provided by this Act may be made available to the State of Illinois, or any agency of the State, unless (1) the use of such funds by the State is approved in legislation enacted by the State after the date of the enactment of this Act, or (2) Rod R. Blagojevich no longer holds the office of Governor of the State of Illinois."

marinejcksn
01-29-2009, 01:52 PM
Or for any expenses for the military in Iraq?

Think about this one:

The INTEREST alone on Obama's first piece of Legislation will cost more than the entire War in Afghanistan TIMES TWO (http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/20759/). :mad:

AHeneen
01-29-2009, 07:47 PM
Has anyone read the entire text of the legislation? I mean, besides me?

This part is kind of fun:

"SEC. 1112. ADDITIONAL ASSURANCE OF APPROPRIATE USE OF FUNDS.

None of the funds provided by this Act may be made available to the State of Illinois, or any agency of the State, unless (1) the use of such funds by the State is approved in legislation enacted by the State after the date of the enactment of this Act, or (2) Rod R. Blagojevich no longer holds the office of Governor of the State of Illinois."

Maybe that was behind the unanimous vote to ditch him...I was shock there were no holdouts whatsoever among all those IL croonies.

I was trying to search for that on the house site (which linked to a search in the LoC), and came across this interesting bill (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d111:29:./temp/~bdetlc::) introduced yesterday:

H.R.743
Title: To prohibit the President or any other executive branch official from knowingly and willfully misleading the Congress or the people of the United States, for the purpose of gaining support for the use of the Armed Forces of the United States.

RobJohnson
02-02-2009, 03:49 AM
Or for any expenses for the military in Iraq?

Very good point.

AmPat
02-02-2009, 07:27 AM
$400 million for global warming researchWhy do we need to RESEARCH Global Warming? I thought Al Goricle had it all figured out?:rolleyes:

Tell you what, give me $100 million of that, save the $300 million and I'll give you my research: Global Warming is TRUE!!! If a Global Ice Age was true, apparently the earth has been in a warming trend for some time now.:cool:

Odysseus
02-02-2009, 11:57 AM
Why do we need to RESEARCH Global Warming? I thought Al Goricle had it all figured out?:rolleyes:

Tell you what, give me $100 million of that, save the $300 million and I'll give you my research: Global Warming is TRUE!!! If a Global Ice Age was true, apparently the earth has been in a warming trend for some time now.:cool:

Global Warming research is a gift to the researchers who've been feeding the panic. This enables them to continue to issue press releases and otherwise try to influence public opinion in favor of draconian "solutions" that do nothing for the environment, but expand public control of what used to be called the private sector.

AlmostThere
02-02-2009, 02:35 PM
Over the weekend, some Repubs were on TV complaining about the waste. Of course being on a TV program they were only able to mention a couple of items. Well, Gibbs is having a press conference right now. Because Repubs only mentioned a couple items, Gibbs is arguing that Repubs only have a problem with those items which amount to less than 1% of the package. So what's the problem? Not a single reporter has called him on it, as in "Mr. Gibbs, you must realize that guests on talk shows have 2 -3 minutes to state their case. Do you expect someone to outline all the pork in this massive document in 2 minutes?". No, they're sitting there in total deference. Looks like not much has changed.