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FDK
05-30-2008, 01:53 PM
For Godwin's Law to kick in:


Gman (1000+ posts) Fri May-30-08 12:57 PM
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Scott McClellan is a good guy and I forgive him
Advertisements [?]Scotty's conscience just couldn't take it anymore. He tried to but he just couldn't handle it any longer. Scotty knows the damage he caused, he obviously feels he has an awful lot to make up for, and he's doing something about it.

If there is any doubt here (which there was a small amount with me), consider that he didn't have to very sincerely apologize to Richard Clarke. But he did.

Scotty was complicit in covering up impeachable offenses, felonies and war crimes. But I can forgive just about anyone when they appear to be this sincere and full of this much regret, if not grief. I can and do forgive Scotty. We all should. He's acknowledged he did wrong and he's doing his best to fix it the best way he knows how. None of this makes what he did as press secretary right. It doesn't excuse him from being complicit in the above mentioned crimes and he may still have to stand trial for his part in it. But just like the family that finds it in their hearts forgive someone who murdered a family member, I forgive him.



nichomachus (1000+ posts) Fri May-30-08 01:01 PM
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3. I'm sure there were quite a few
complicit Germans whose consciences weighed heavily as the Allied forces made their way into Germany.

It's a common reaction.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3364155

patriot45
05-30-2008, 02:05 PM
What a sissy!
Last nite ole Rove debunked most of his whinings! Of course the DUmp loves him now!

He is an official -
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i230/patriot45270/ass_wipes.jpg

LogansPapa
05-30-2008, 02:20 PM
Saw three separate interviews with him last night and if nothing else the man’s consistent in his positions concerning the herding of GWB by his handlers and the "Champaign Mode" used to push the Iraq fiasco - also saying that the White House doesn’t appear as to have changed its strategy since his exit.

ReaganForRus
05-30-2008, 02:42 PM
Saw three separate interviews with him last night and if nothing else the man’s consistent in his positions concerning the herding of GWB by his handlers and the "Champaign Mode" used to push the Iraq fiasco - also saying that the White House doesn’t appear as to have changed its strategy since his exit.

LP, na, Scott is merely parroting liberal talking points........explain to me how a press secretary would sit in on sensitive foreign affairs and NSA meetings without the proper clearance credentials?:confused:

LogansPapa
05-30-2008, 03:04 PM
LP, na, Scott is merely parroting liberal talking points........explain to me how a press secretary would sit in on sensitive foreign affairs and NSA meetings without the proper clearance credentials?:confused:

Human nature. Same way he got a nod from the security guard every day at the White House gates.

Teetop
05-30-2008, 03:57 PM
Human nature. Same way he got a nod from the security guard every day at the White House gates.

WTF?!

God, you're an idiot. Without a proper security clearance, you won't see or hear a thing classified.

While in the U.S.A.F., I think I held about every security clearance known to man.

Sonnabend
05-30-2008, 04:19 PM
Saw three separate interviews with him last night and if nothing else the man’s consistent in his positions

Really? Then wheres his proof?

If he has "proof" of his allegations, why didn't he come forward sooner? If he has "proof" regarding Plame, then why didnt he hand said proof to Plames lawyers before they bailed? To Fitzgerald?

Let's see if he can provide this "proof" when he is asked to testify UNDER OATH...and if he doesnt havd said proof and he is lying then its perjury.

Talk is cheap. Let's see him prove his allegations with more than just simple bluster. I keep seeing all these claims and wild accusations....yet when asked for the proof to backj these up all we get is silence.

Because there isnt any and McClellan is LYING.


concerning the herding of GWB by his handlers and the "Champaign Mode" used to push the Iraq fiasco -

Iraq is doing very well, thank you... surging forward nicely. Al Qaeda smashed, their morale wrecked, their commanders dead or captured, their "soldiers" dead in a hundred placed, the Iraqis themselves turning on these hyenas as they see who their friends really are...hate to wreck your little daydream, LP, but Iraq is a success and growing more so every single day.

The deafening silence from the media is proof of that...the poor suckers cant bear to see success so they don't write anything.

Speaking of silence, who the fuck said we wanted you back here?

LogansPapa
05-30-2008, 04:21 PM
WTF?!

God, you're an idiot. Without a proper security clearance, you won't see or hear a thing classified.

While in the U.S.A.F., I think I held about every security clearance known to man.

Yep;) and pot's never been smoked on the roof of the White House too, right? Security is only as tight as people make it - no matter what 'the system' says. Not an idiot - just realistic about the human factor. This is how lap tops and hard drives come up missing at Los Alamos. Care to tell me about Air Force security regarding the transportation of nuclear weapons?

LogansPapa
05-30-2008, 04:23 PM
Speaking of silence, who the fuck said we wanted you back here?

Then nut-up and do something about it.:cool:

Sonnabend
05-30-2008, 04:24 PM
Care to tell me about Air Force security regarding the transportation of nuclear weapons?

And what the hell would you know about that?

Speaking of which, where'd you serve?

LogansPapa
05-30-2008, 04:30 PM
And what the hell would you know about that?

USA Today - 2 hours ago

Report: Air Force unit fails nuclear security inspection

By Michael Hoffman, Air Force Times

The same Air Force unit that mistakenly flew nuclear-tipped cruise missiles on a B-52 last summer has failed a nuclear security inspection, according to a Defense Department report.

Security broke down on multiple levels during simulated attacks across the 5th Bomb Wing's North Dakota base, including attacks against nuclear weapons storage areas, according to the Defense Threat Reduction Agency report, which was obtained by Air Force Times.

Inspectors watched as an airman played video games on his cellphone while standing guard at a "restricted area perimeter," the report said. Meanwhile, another airman nearby was "unaware of her duties and responsibilities" during the exercise.

Among the gaffes inspectors found at Minot Air Force Base, N.D.:

• An internal security response team didn't respond to its "pre-designated defensive fighting position" during an attack on the weapon storage area, leaving an entire side of the maintenance facility vulnerable to enemy fire.

• Security forces didn't clear a building upon entering it, which allowed inspectors to "kill" three of those four airmen.

• Security forces failed to use correct entry codes, issued that week, to allow personnel into restricted areas.

• While on an aircraft, some airmen didn't understand key nuclear terminology, including the "two-person concept" — the security mechanism that requires two people to arm a nuclear weapon in case the codes fall into the hands of an airman gone bad.

• Security forces didn't properly check an emergency vehicle for unauthorized personnel when it arrived at a weapons storage area or search it correctly once it left.

Inspectors, who began the week-long inspection May 17, gave the wing passing grades in nine of 10 areas, including safety and technical operations, but failed it for nuclear security. They gave the unit an "unsatisfactory" grade on Sunday, and attributed the errors primarily to a lack of supervision and leadership.

"Security forces' level of knowledge, understanding of assigned duties, and response to unusual situations reflected a lack of adequate supervision," the inspection team chief wrote.

After reviewing base records, inspectors found "leaders were unengaged (in) the proper supervision of (security forces) airmen."

In addition to security errors, inspectors found fault with other parts of operations, including a program that dictates who can handle nukes.

Inspectors found that one individual cleared to handle nukes had been "diagnosed for alcohol abuse" but was allowed to keep his certification.

The lapses come despite a high-level focus on Minot since last August, when 5th Bomb Wing airmen mistakenly loaded six nuclear-tipped cruise missiles onto a B-52 Stratofortress and flew them to Barksdale Air Force Base, La., where the plane sat on the flight line, unattended, for hours.

That incident not only embarrassed the Air Force but raised concerns worldwide about deterioration in U.S. nuclear safety standards.

"The most serious failure is the one regarding security, which is exactly what the (previous) Minot incident was all about," said Hans Kristensen, director of the Nuclear Information Project at the Federation of American Scientists.

"If the leadership is still unengaged after all that has happened with the warheads ... and problems with the first inspection, then they're not fit to have this mission," Kristensen said. "It's really frightening."

Col. Joel Westa, who took command of the unit after the missile incident, said in a statement, "Overall their assessment painted a picture of some things we need to work on in the areas of training and discipline." Westa said his airmen are working diligently to correct deficiencies.

Although the unit failed, it will keep its certification to handle nuclear weapons. Inspectors from the Air Combat Command plan to return to Minot in August.

Immediately after the loss of control over the six nuclear warheads in August, the wing commander and three other high-ranking officers were fired. Sixty-nine airmen temporarily lost their certification to handle nukes.

Air Combat Command spokesman Maj. Thomas Crosson said there are no plans to fire any "key personnel" now. He did not rule out punitive actions for other airmen, however.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2008-05-30-inspection-failure_N.htm

Teetop
05-30-2008, 04:31 PM
Yep;) and pot's never been smoked on the roof of the White House too, right? Security is only as tight as people make it - no matter what 'the system' says. Not an idiot - just realistic about the human factor. This is how lap tops and hard drives come up missing at Los Alamos. Care to tell me about Air Force security regarding the transportation of nuclear weapons?

There are different types of "security". Smoking pot on top of the White House has nothing to do with maintaining security of classified materials or breifings. The missing laptops at Los Alamos? Ask the liberal university who maintains the labs at Los Alamos. And, as far as what I know about transporting nuclear weapons, you DO NOT HAVE THE NEED TO KNOW.

:cool:

LogansPapa
05-30-2008, 04:34 PM
And, as far as what I know about transporting nuclear weapons, you DO NOT HAVE THE NEED TO KNOW. :cool:

Reference my last post in this thread and you'll see you don't know what you think you know.;)

Teetop
05-30-2008, 04:38 PM
Reference my last post in this thread and you'll see you don't know what you think you know.;)

I know more than you EVER will...

Sonnabend
05-30-2008, 04:39 PM
Reference my last post in this thread and you'll see you don't know what you think you know.;)

So where'd you serve, LP?

Teetop
05-30-2008, 04:41 PM
So where'd you serve, LP?

Starbucks, is my guess. :D

LogansPapa
05-30-2008, 04:42 PM
So where'd you serve, LP?

JPL. ;) But we've been through this before. Has nothing to do with having an opinion - even if it's not one that kisses your butt.:)

Sonnabend
05-30-2008, 04:49 PM
JPL. ;) But we've been through this before. Has nothing to do with having an opinion - even if it's not one that kisses your butt.:)

JPL is a civilian mob in Pasadena

What MILITARY service do you have?

Rank, MOS, unit.

Dan D. Doty
05-30-2008, 06:42 PM
LP, na, Scott is merely parroting liberal talking points........explain to me how a press secretary would sit in on sensitive foreign affairs and NSA meetings without the proper clearance credentials?:confused:

Scotty just found out quickly ( using the Micheal Moore School of Journalism) that if you say the things the Moonbats want to hear ( not always the truth) they'll give you lots and lots of money from their trust founds and SSI checks.

biccat
06-02-2008, 11:01 AM
And what the hell would you know about that?

Speaking of which, where'd you serve?
He's still serving. USSR, 5th Column, deployed to the United States.