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gator
02-08-2009, 09:55 AM
PRESIDENT Barack Obama has demanded that American defence chiefs review their strategy in Afghanistan before going ahead with a troop surge.

There is concern among senior Democrats that the military is preparing to send up to 30,000 extra troops without a coherent plan or exit strategy.

The Pentagon was set to announce the deployment of 17,000 extra soldiers and marines last week but Robert Gates, the defence secretary, postponed the decision after questions from Obama.

The president was concerned by a lack of strategy at his first meeting with Gates and the US joint chiefs of staff last month in “the tank”, the secure conference room in the Pentagon. He asked: “What’s the endgame?” and did not receive a convincing answer.

Larry Korb, a defence expert at the Center for American Progress, a Washington think tank, said: “Obama is exactly right. Before he agrees to send 30,000 troops, he wants to know what the mission and the endgame is.”

Obama promised an extra 7,000-10,000 troops during the election campaign but the military has inflated its demands. Leading Democrats fear Afghanistan could become Obama’s “Vietnam quagmire”.

If the surge goes ahead the military intend to limit the mission to fighting the Taliban and Al-Qaeda and leave democracy building and reconstruction to Nato allies and civilians from the State Department and other agencies.

The United States has been pushing Britain to send several thousand more troops but there is just as much disagreement and confusion among British defence chiefs over the long-term aim. Gordon Brown is set to receive a full briefing this week.

General Sir Richard Dannatt, the army chief who will step down this summer, has insisted that troops need a rest and believes he can send only one battlegroup, senior defence sources said.

General Sir David Richards, his successor, believes that the two extra battlegroups the Americans have asked for is the minimum the UK should send, the sources said.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5683681.ece


Looks like Obama is going to chickenshit out of Afghanistan just like he plans to chickenshit out of Iraq.

By the way, on CU I predicted this would be the end game when the Democrats won the Congress in 2006 but most of the poeple on CU didn't want to hear that.

jinxmchue
02-08-2009, 10:26 AM
Looks like Obama is going to chickenshit out of Afghanistan just like he plans to chickenshit out of Iraq.

Was there ever a doubt?

AlmostThere
02-08-2009, 02:35 PM
Was there ever a doubt?

Not for a moment. I feel incredibly sorry for the men and women who have that man as their CIC. America owes the military one hell of an apology.

gator
02-08-2009, 03:25 PM
Not for a moment. I feel incredibly sorry for the men and women who have that man as their CIC. America owes the military one hell of an apology.

The Vietnam veterans never got an apology so what makes you think the WOT vets will get an apology after Obama does the cut and run from Iraq and Afghanistan?

djones520
02-08-2009, 03:54 PM
I'm being cautiosly optimistic here and thinking that the Pres. is just using his head. The pipeline that those 30,000 troops where going to be using to get into Afghanistan is being closed. Without Manas AB, it's going to be extremely difficult to get those people and their supplies in there, not to mention getting them back out. Their air support is also going to be severely cut back because the only regional air refueling tankers will be leaving when Manas gets closed as well.

So Obama is right to tell the Pentagon to put the breaks onto this until they can figure out how their going to work it all out. Throwing 30,000 guys into Al Udeid with no way to get into the AOR will just be stupid. Getting them into the AOR without any means to support them will just be stupid.

So lets not jump the gun on this one. Lets see what he decides to do about this before sentencing the man.

Defiant1
02-08-2009, 05:36 PM
He has to stop the U.S. from killing his relatives somehow.

djones520
02-08-2009, 05:38 PM
He has to stop the U.S. from killing his relatives somehow.


WTF is up with that Avatar?

AHeneen
02-08-2009, 06:29 PM
Well, Iraq and Afghanistan are two different places and require two different strategies. Putting more troops can be offensive and spark more anti-American sentiment and there are other ways to work for peace. I read a good Time article (yeah, yeah, tell me about the bias) earlier this week on this very thing...written back in July, before the Obama talk of doing this.

Check out this lengthy, but good, article. (http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1823753,00.html)

cat714
02-08-2009, 07:08 PM
Well, Iraq and Afghanistan are two different places and require two different strategies. Putting more troops can be offensive and spark more anti-American sentiment and there are other ways to work for peace. I read a good Time article (yeah, yeah, tell me about the bias) earlier this week on this very thing...written back in July, before the Obama talk of doing this.

Check out this lengthy, but good, article. (http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1823753,00.html)

The Times isn't exactly know for it's fair reporting, but once in awhile somebody there actually does their job. I am not optimistic about using "peaceful" methods in Iraq or Afghanistan...terrorist know nothing else but killing and hating America.

When Obama was shooting his mouth off about a troop surge in Afghanistan, he kept saying that he had a plan. That's what he told the people and now all of a sudden he comes out and says they don't have an exit strategy??? Guess ZERO found out the WOT isn't like playing army in the backyard with your school friends.

The Kyrgyzstan governement threw a major curve ball at the administration, but I think they are just trying to squeeze as much money as they can. If they kick the US out, ALL foreign aid to this country should cease.

AlmostThere
02-08-2009, 11:52 PM
The Vietnam veterans never got an apology so what makes you think the WOT vets will get an apology after Obama does the cut and run from Iraq and Afghanistan?

The WOT vets won't get any more an apology than the Vietnam vets got. America still owes them both one, regardless.

AHeneen
02-09-2009, 12:26 AM
The Kyrgyzstan governement threw a major curve ball at the administration, but I think they are just trying to squeeze as much money as they can. If they kick the US out, ALL foreign aid to this country should cease.

Their decision is final. No I don't think they were trying to get more money. Russia has been quite aggressive in defending their former sphere of influence. They gave Kyrgyzstan $2 billion shortly before the closure announcement. Russia is trying to exploit Obama's timidness and youth to make a quick move to preserve their influence. Not just that, but Russia has offered their airspace to the US for non-military equipment, but on the condition that NATO will not accept any more former Soviet republics.

cat714
02-09-2009, 04:12 AM
Their decision is final. No I don't think they were trying to get more money. Russia has been quite aggressive in defending their former sphere of influence. They gave Kyrgyzstan $2 billion shortly before the closure announcement.

I have to disagree because the news reports have the quoted the Kyrgyzstan president as saying that there was an issue with compensation for a few years and the US pretty much ignored them.


“Eight years have passed. We have repeatedly raised with the United States the matter of economic compensation for the existence of the base in Kyrgyzstan, but we have not been understood.”

"We have repeatedly discussed with our American partners the issue of economic compensation to Kyrgyzstan in return for hosting the base, but unfortunately we did not reach an understanding with the United States," Bakiev said. "We have been saying for three years already that we must reexamine the conditions of this agreement, that those questions of economic compensation don't meet the requirements of Kyrgyzstan in any way."



The country is severely strapped for cash and is heavily in debt with Moscow. Russia never liked us there for the reasons you mentioned, but I'm sure if the US offered 3 billion, Kyrgyzstan wouldn't be kicking us out. This is a clever tactical move by Russia and they are definitely testing the Magic 8ball.

AmPat
02-09-2009, 05:45 AM
Obama doesn't have a clue what he is doing and is in way over his head. This is his way of trying to appear cautious and in charge. Too bad he isn't "cautious" like this before he implements his Liberal Idiodicy. OOps! Did I misspell ideology?:rolleyes: