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bobbcat
02-08-2009, 12:26 PM
A journalist takes a position at a local Wal Mart's pet section. He lays bare some of the misconceptions about it that are routinely forged by libs and union types. See here (http://www.nypost.com/seven/02072009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/fly_on_the_wal_154007.htm?page=0). Excerpts:
Low wages are not a Wal-Mart problem. They are an industry-wide problem, afflicting all unskilled entry-level jobs, and the reason should be obvious.

In our free-enterprise system, employees are valued largely in terms of what they can do. This is why teenagers fresh out of high school often go to vocational training institutes to become auto mechanics or electricians. They understand a basic principle that seems to elude social commentators, politicians and union organizers. If you want better pay, you need to learn skills that are in demand.

The blunt tools of legislation or union power can force a corporation to pay higher wages, but if employees don't create an equal amount of additional value, there's no net gain. All other factors remaining equal, the store will have to charge higher prices for its merchandise, and its competitive position will suffer.

This is Economics 101, but no one wants to believe it, because it tells us that a legislative or unionized quick-fix is not going to work in the long term. If you want people to be wealthier, they have to create additional wealth.

As for the horror stories: Let's take a couple of random examples. Unpaid overtime? Maybe it happened at some stores in the past, but an instructional video warned me that if anyone in management ever encouraged such a heinous transgression, I should report him to his superiors immediately. Illegal aliens? That particular news story really referred to a cleaning company retained by Wal-Mart. The cleaning company hired the illegals.

You have to wonder, then, why the store has such a terrible reputation, and I have to tell you that so far as I can determine, trade unions have done most of the mudslinging. Web sites that serve as a source for negative stories are often affiliated with unions. Walmartwatch.com, for instance, is partnered with the Service Employees International Union; Wakeupwalmart.com is entirely owned by United Food and Commercial Workers International Union. For years, now, they've campaigned against Wal-Mart, for reasons that may have more to do with money than compassion for the working poor. If more than one million Wal-Mart employees in the United States could be induced to join a union, by my calculation they'd be compelled to pay more than half-billion dollars each year in dues.

Anti-growth activists are the other primary source of anti-Wal-Mart sentiment. In the town where I worked, I was told that activists even opposed a new Barnes & Noble because it was "too big." If they're offended by a large bookstore, you can imagine how they feel about a discount retailer.

The argument, of course, is that smaller enterprises cannot compete. My outlook on this is hardcore: I think that many of the "mom-and-pop" stores so beloved by activists don't deserve to remain in business.

snuglet
02-08-2009, 12:39 PM
I don't begrudge Walmart. I think they could be less stingy with their employees, but that's their prerogative.

As much as I hate their customer service at the local one, it's sure easy on my pocketbook.

Sam Walton was a business genius :) Ask Hillary :D

cat714
02-08-2009, 02:57 PM
Most retailers, if not all, are stingy when it comes to pay and benefits. I worked for a few when I was a teenager and the complaints are not just limited to Wal-Mart. Opponents single out Wal-Mart because they are huge, they are a cash cow, they employ a lot of people and of course they put other businesses out of business. The unions are only interested in how much money they can pocket for themselves. They care very little about the folks. When Southern California had the big grocery strike back in 2003, the union reps had no problem getting paid while the people they represented had no income. To add more insult to injury, the unions expected these folks to continue to pay their dues. The only place I feel unions need a presence in, is for police officers because the government is too willing to throw these folks underneathe the bus for political reasons.

Why should I pay $7.00 for a bottle of shampoo at the unionized grocery store when I can buy it for $3.00 at Wal-Mart?

MrsSmith
02-08-2009, 03:20 PM
I don't begrudge Walmart. I think they could be less stingy with their employees, but that's their prerogative.

As much as I hate their customer service at the local one, it's sure easy on my pocketbook.

Sam Walton was a business genius :) Ask Hillary :D
Mr Smith worked for Wal-Mart at one time. He found no problems with them. The pay was about the same as any other part-time work...he may have been able to pull a quarter an hour move flipping burgers, but would have lost more than that in benefits. He qualified for cheap health insurance, which he didn't take. He earned stocks, which added up to enough cash in less than a year to cover his moving expenses when he quit and left town. He would be glad to work for them again, if he ever needs a second job again.

Gingersnap
02-09-2009, 10:59 AM
The most important point the author makes is one that should branded into the soft, slack flesh of every public school teacher and administrator: No Skills - No Money.

Wal-Mart doesn't start entry-level employees out at $47,000 + bennies because high school drop-outs and high school graduates with little or no work experience beyond flipping burgers are not worth that kind of money. You generally make what your skill is worth in any given area.

Ambitious plumbers who own their businesses make more than most hydraulic engineers. Ditto for electricians and electrical engineers. Why? Because there is way more demand for plumbers and electricians in most areas.

Wal-Mart provides a career path for people who have spotty knowledge and skills. This is a good thing.

patriot45
02-12-2009, 08:29 PM
Moonbats head asploding! (http://www.nypost.com/seven/02072009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/fly_on_the_wal_154007.htm)


Sci-fi author and journalist Charles Platt (hes an editor of our pal Make magazine) decided that hes going to find out once and for all whether Walmart is evil or good so he applied for a job there!

Heres why he thinks that despite its bad reputation, Walmart is actually a good company to work for:

A week later, I found myself in an elite group of 10 successful applicants convening for two (paid) days of training in the same claustrophobic, windowless room. As we introduced ourselves, I discovered that more than half had already worked at other Wal-Marts. Having relocated to this area, they were eager for more of the same.



UNDERCOVER AT WAL-MART, THE HEARTLAND SUPERSTORE THAT MAY SAVE THE ECONOMY
By CHARLES PLATT

Some people, usually community activists, loath Wal-Mart. Others, like the family of four struggling to make ends meet, are in love with the chain. I, meanwhile, am in awe of it.

snip....

Getting hired turned out to be a challenge. The personnel manager told me she had received more than 100 applications during that month alone, chasing just a handful of jobs. Thus the mystery deepened. If Wal-Mart was such an exploiter of the working poor, why were the working poor so eager to be exploited? And after they were hired, why did they seem so happy to be there? Anytime I shopped at the store, blue-clad Walmartians encouraged me to "Have a nice day" with the sincerity of the pope issuing a benediction.

PoliCon
02-12-2009, 08:34 PM
so what do the idiots at DU have to say about this?

SarasotaRepub
02-12-2009, 09:18 PM
so what do the idiots at DU have to say about this?

Surely you jest! :eek: DUmmies hate WalMart. White Hot HATE!!!!:D

megimoo
02-12-2009, 09:27 PM
Surely you jest! :eek: DUmmies hate WalMart. White Hot HATE!!!!:DClass Envy !

Gingersnap
02-12-2009, 09:40 PM
Dupe.

Radix
02-12-2009, 09:51 PM
I do not like Wal-Mart. I despise Unions.

Wal-Mart because it always seems to be so trailer parkish.

Unions, because slime always seems to rise to the top.

patriot45
02-12-2009, 09:59 PM
I do not like Wal-Mart. I despise Unions.

Wal-Mart because it always seems to be so trailer parkish.

Unions, because slime always seems to rise to the top.


How could you hate WallyWorld!? Its fishing and hunting heaven here in Plant City! I love my Super Walmart!

Radix
02-12-2009, 10:05 PM
How could you hate WallyWorld!? Its fishing and hunting heaven here in Plant City! I love my Super Walmart!

I went into a Bass Pro Shop down in Savannah a few years ago. AKA Gun Lovers Heaven.

There is a new franchise just outside of the NE Patriots stadium (Gillette) that I have not yet been to. I'm saving that trip for my next birthday present.

Coloko
02-12-2009, 10:09 PM
Wal-Mart is one of the companies standing up against unions. Most stocks have gone down in the past year, while Wal-Mart's has stayed pretty much steady and even rose a bit here and there. Unions are socialism at work. Who do you think ignited the original Red Scare in the 1920's? Unions, often with socialist ideals. Wal-Mart opens up many jobs at entry level wages. No one graduates from high school or college and says " I want to go work at Wal-Mart and make a career of it!" It is a starter-type job and everyone knows it. One most always aspires to move up from Wal-Mart, and shouldn't really stick around that long to complain about the wages and make a career out of an entry-level position in the workforce. Thats my two cents.

PoliCon
02-12-2009, 10:46 PM
I do not like Wal-Mart. I despise Unions.

Wal-Mart because it always seems to be so trailer parkish.

Unions, because slime always seems to rise to the top.I have to agree. I hate going to walmart. I hate having to park a mile away - I hate the class of "people" who shop there. I hate the lines you have to stand in waiting to get checked out . . . .

Gingersnap
02-12-2009, 11:06 PM
Wal-Mart opens up many jobs at entry level wages. No one graduates from high school or college and says " I want to go work at Wal-Mart and make a career of it!" It is a starter-type job and everyone knows it. One most always aspires to move up from Wal-Mart, and shouldn't really stick around that long to complain about the wages and make a career out of an entry-level position in the workforce. Thats my two cents.

This is correct. No sane person wants to make a career out of any entry-level job. The people I have personally known who have worked for Wal-Mart were either kids who had no idea of what they wanted to do after high school or people who were retired or wanted just a part-time job. I'm not saying you couldn't do well for yourself in that company if you wanted to but that it's not a path to becoming a neurosurgeon or law partner.

Nothing wrong with that.

jeskibuff
02-13-2009, 06:32 AM
I hate going to walmart.I'm not too fond of the place, but go there for just a few select items each week.

I hate having to park a mile awayI don't mind. I usually park a mile away anyway even if there's a closer spot.

I hate the class of "people" who shop there.HEY! I shop there! :mad::p

I hate the lines you have to stand in waiting to get checked out . . . .This is my biggest complaint about Wal-Mart. They have express lines that are supposed to be for 10 items only. I've complained several times about this while in line. "WHAT? Can't you read the sign?? This is an EXPRESS line! I've got 2 items and you've got 25! Do you not get the concept? Are you illiterate?" Okay, maybe with a little more tact, but that's the message I try to get across. I also question the cashier why they just don't say "I'm sorry, this is an express lane, please don't start to put your items on the belt". I've also tracked down managers to complain. If they label a lane "express", then they ought to ensure it stays an express lane. If they don't, they're just chasing away customers who expect an express lane to be express, so it's better for their own bottom line.

PoliCon
02-13-2009, 08:29 PM
I'm not too fond of the place, but go there for just a few select items each week. I go there when I have to - and I always go at off peak hours - unless I need something at the pharmacy.




I don't mind. I usually park a mile away anyway even if there's a closer spot. I always lose my car when I part far away. :mad:



HEY! I shop there! :mad::p Are you trying to prove my case??? Seriously though I'm talking about the Fat lady in the tube top with three monkeys in tow shopping at 12:30 in the morning. The guy in the stained wife beater who has obviously not bathed in a week who wonders around the place hunched over a cart with 3 inches of crack hanging out in the back - and of course there is the senile lady with the blue hair who waddles down the isle some how managing to block all attempts to pass her in either direction as she walks along at -12 miles per hour. THOSE are the people I LOATHE! :mad:



This is my biggest complaint about Wal-Mart. They have express lines that are supposed to be for 10 items only. I've complained several times about this while in line. "WHAT? Can't you read the sign?? This is an EXPRESS line! I've got 2 items and you've got 25! Do you not get the concept? Are you illiterate?" Okay, maybe with a little more tact, but that's the message I try to get across. I also question the cashier why they just don't say "I'm sorry, this is an express lane, please don't start to put your items on the belt". I've also tracked down managers to complain. If they label a lane "express", then they ought to ensure it stays an express lane. If they don't, they're just chasing away customers who expect an express lane to be express, so it's better for their own bottom line.
They won't do anything about it because they don't want to lose any customers.

jeskibuff
02-14-2009, 09:18 AM
I go there when I have to - and I always go at off peak hours[\quote]That's the key to shopping at Wal-Mart. Never go when it's crowded.

[quote=PoliCon;113292]I always lose my car when I part far away.There's a fart joke in that sentence, but it's too tedious to extract right now! :D


They won't do anything about it because they don't want to lose any customers.Maybe they think that, but they'll lose customers who value their time, and those are more likely to be the ones who would have the capacity of spending more.