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everyman68
06-25-2008, 07:38 AM
Number23 (301 posts) Tue Jun-24-08 09:59 AM
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McCain's Vietnamese Jailer says he was never tortured
Weirdest article I've ever read.... Former jailer supports McCain for President, but says he was never tortured.

From ABC (Australian Broadcasting Company):

"REPUBLICAN US presidential candidate John McCain has got some unexpected support from his former Vietnam War jailer, who said he would vote for the former navy pilot if he could.

Speaking to the BBC from Haiphong, Tran Trong Duyet also insisted that Senator McCain's assertions that he was tortured during his time at the prison were lies, and that no one held there was ever subjected to torture."

From - http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23913409-5012572,0...

BBC article here - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7459946.stm

doesn't even begin to explain it....





And no, it has nothing to do with that crazy Jim Carrey movie...
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Sonnabend
06-25-2008, 08:49 AM
goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-24-08 11:51 AM
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25. This is not a path I want to go down, too many other ways to attack McCain

He served his country honorably just like Kerry did

Except that Kerry was a gutless coward.

Shakespeare
06-25-2008, 12:11 PM
Your link conects to a thread where people are disagreeing with the AU story.

Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Tue Jun-24-08 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #24
27. Here are my thoughts
I have to say that this post being allowed to stay up makes me think twice about DU in general.

Is this really the road we want to go down, to question whether or not all the freed POWs were liars and frauds on the word of one NVA guard? To insinuate that maybe the guard is telling the truth.

This is obviously someone attempting to make DU look like anti-soldier (different then anti-war) assholes.

There is plenty to go after McCain about. But to incite rumors based on the word of someone who claims to be his former captor, especially with the permanent injuries he sustained and the length of time he was held, is really almost unforgivable.

It is a slap in the face to every soldier who survived those camps and a real disrespect to the ones who never came home at all.

YupItsMe
06-25-2008, 03:32 PM
Well!. Did they ever put panties on his head? Did he ever have hot wimmens put their breasts against him? Huh? I guess if John McCain wants to know about torture he needs to go to Gitmo! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

nacho
06-25-2008, 06:12 PM
And was he ever yelled at by his bitch mom for eating her precious Fritos? Clearly he never went through the trials DUmmies have!

Phillygirl
06-25-2008, 06:41 PM
Your link conects to a thread where people are disagreeing with the AU story.

Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Tue Jun-24-08 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #24
27. Here are my thoughts
I have to say that this post being allowed to stay up makes me think twice about DU in general.

Is this really the road we want to go down, to question whether or not all the freed POWs were liars and frauds on the word of one NVA guard? To insinuate that maybe the guard is telling the truth.

This is obviously someone attempting to make DU look like anti-soldier (different then anti-war) assholes.

There is plenty to go after McCain about. But to incite rumors based on the word of someone who claims to be his former captor, especially with the permanent injuries he sustained and the length of time he was held, is really almost unforgivable.

It is a slap in the face to every soldier who survived those camps and a real disrespect to the ones who never came home at all.

and then there is this one

tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Jun-24-08 06:44 AM
Response to Reply #6
9. But IS it a lie?

I'm not prepared to say that it is, just on the weight of "he was at the Hanoi Hilton, therefore he was tortured". I need evidence.

Of course it would seem there is no way to prove one way or another what conditions were like during McCain's captivity, and questioning the official line would no doubt wake up a great deal of incipient patriotism amongst the voting populace. Misplaced and misguided patriotism to be sure, but I fear the net effect would be negative.

everyman68
06-25-2008, 06:51 PM
and then there is this one


The subject was offensive and a honorable moderator of any message board would have closed or removed the thread... It wasn't...That's why I posted it...

nacho
06-25-2008, 07:25 PM
pwb (882 posts) Tue Jun-24-08 07:17 PM
Response to Original message
38. Don't go there? Says Karl Rove
After all the pukes did to our two Nam vets we are suppose to sit back and listen to the lies about a fake hero? bullshit. everything is on the table.


You guys have made that clear as crystal, going after his family and now his service. Dirty mongrels.


JudyInTheHeartland (6 posts) Tue Jun-24-08 05:28 PM
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31. Yes, McCain was tortured
And tragically, it has had long-term consequences for him. He seems full of rage and short on control. Not the type of guy we need in the WH now. That needs to be our argument.

Oh, wait so he wasn't tortured but if he was, we'll use that against him, too. Please do try that DUmmies, it'll be a landslide against you in November.

Phillygirl
06-25-2008, 07:31 PM
The subject was offensive and a honorable moderator of any message board would have closed or removed the thread... It wasn't...That's why I posted it...

I don't know about removing it. I know I tend to prefer that people own their words and let the wolves have at their carcasses.

I find the thread very telling in that even the ones who find the thought that McCain was not tortured absurd, they must immediately reclaim their liberal street cred by pointing out that Bush and our America are just as bad.

I really hope some of Obama's supporters continue to delve into this issue.

Servonaut
06-25-2008, 07:45 PM
Sometimes I think the DUmp can't surprise me
anymore, then we have this. :(




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