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megimoo
02-14-2009, 11:54 AM
Soviet vets, 20 years on, warn Obama on Afghanistan

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Soviet veterans marking 20 years since their defeat in Afghanistan warned the United States it would never truly control the country, citing bitter memories of a fiercely proud people and unforgiving landscape.The withdrawal of the last Soviet troops from Afghanistan on Feb. 15, 1989 ended a decade of fighting that killed an estimated 15,000 Soviet troops and convinced a generation of soldiers they had been sent to fight a war they could not win.

The United States, preparing to pour more troops into Afghanistan to fight a growing Taliban-led insurgency, is reliving their nightmare, they said."It's like fighting sand. No force in the world can get the better of the Afghans," said Oleg Kubanov, a stocky 47-year-old former officer with the Order of the Red Star pinned to his chest at an anniversary concert in Moscow."It's their holy land, it doesn't matter to them if you're Russian, American. We're all soldiers to them."

Thousands of veterans, some in dress suits, some in combats, gathered on Friday for a lavish concert organised by Moscow City Hall. As they embraced and posed for pictures before the show, many cited America's troubles as proof their campaign in Afghanistan had been hopeless from the start.Reports that U.S. President Barack Obama plans to boost U.S. forces there to 60,000 revived bitter memories for members of the Soviet deployment that steadily climbed to a peak of more than 100,000 troops as the insurgency deepened in the mid-1980s.

There are 36,000 U.S. troops in Afghanistan today, split between the 55,000-strong NATO force and separate U.S. missions, both charged with protecting a transitional government from Taliban forces.
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But hopes of a swift victory were dashed as Soviet forces found themselves bogged down in a guerrilla war waged by a fierce mujahideen force that was backed by U.S. arms and money and had access to bases in neighbouring Pakistan.

After a decade of pouring in more and more troops and money, Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev ordered a withdrawal in 1989.

"They'll send more in and they'll lose more," Andrei Bandarenko, 42, a former special forces officer, said of the U.S. plans. "What does Obama know about the situation on the ground. We had our own fool, Gorbachev, who knew even less."

Two decades on, Bandarenko is still bitter at being forced to withdraw through the mountains in mid-winter temperatures of minus 27 degrees Celsius -- a trip he sketched for friends on a commemorative map pinned to the wall of the concert hall buffet.

The Soviet military leadership, he said, never came to terms with the difficulties of fighting a native force in barren mountains where temperatures could dive from 40 degrees Celsius to freezing within hours.



http://in.reuters.com/article/southAsiaNews/idINIndia-38016420090214

Apocalypse
02-14-2009, 04:42 PM
No sh*t. Look at what they did to us in Turkey over that air base. Russia is trying to get even for their lost war, and are doing what they can to screw us over.

megimoo
02-14-2009, 06:32 PM
No sh*t. Look at what they did to us in Turkey over that air base. Russia is trying to get even for their lost war, and are doing what they can to screw us over.It's funny the way their generals 'pop off ' about what America can and cannot do .They, at their best, during the cold war couldn't match our military technology on land sea or air.

Their ballistic subs were so loud we could track them from Minnesota with a cheap set of headphones and a sound probe.All during the cold war their military technology lagged behind Americas .Their aircraft jet engines were of an inferior design producing less horse power and generating more exhaust smoke !

They were designed to be replaced on a dirt runway in the woods of Russia due to their poor reliability.They were innovative with their aircraft designs going for heavy duty ruggedness rather than innovations in technology.

lacarnut
02-14-2009, 07:10 PM
With this amateurish Prez, he might be right. The last I heard, Obama and his clowns have put the brakes on sending more troops there.

megimoo
02-14-2009, 08:51 PM
With this amateurish Prez, he might be right. The last I heard, Obama and his clowns have put the brakes on sending more troops there.Obama will take America apart one brick at a time until we are a third world country !

PoliCon
02-14-2009, 10:18 PM
No sh*t. Look at what they did to us in Turkey over that air base. Russia is trying to get even for their lost war, and are doing what they can to screw us over.

Russia is looking to rebuild it's empire.

Apocalypse
02-14-2009, 11:50 PM
With this amateurish Prez, he might be right. The last I heard, Obama and his clowns have put the brakes on sending more troops there.I don't know if its amateurish or the fact Russia screwed us in regards to the air base they are forcing us our of.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/RussiaandEurasia/wm2286.cfm

This air base is key in fighting our war in Afgan. and losing it I would guess forced Obama to toss out his plans as his advisers told him he wouldn't be able to fight it effectively.

Russia knows they have a pansy in Obama, and is showing the world he can bully him and there is nothing that Obama can do about it.

AmPat
02-14-2009, 11:59 PM
"They'll send more in and they'll lose more," Andrei Bandarenko, 42, a former special forces officer, said of the U.S. plans. "What does Obama know about the situation on the ground. We had our own fool, Gorbachev, who knew even less."
Truer prophetic words could not have been spoken.;)

megimoo
02-15-2009, 12:15 AM
Truer prophetic words could not have been spoken.;)I was of the opinion that Kruschev was their 'fool' not Gorbachev ?