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megimoo
02-14-2009, 03:55 PM
An Afghan diplomat was charged Friday with beating his wife "like a dog" for more than 15 hours in their Queens home, prosecutors said.

Mohammed Fagirad, 30, a vice consul at the Afghanistan Consulate, brutalized his wife inside their Flushing home from about 8:30 a.m. Wednesday until nearly midnight, Queens District Attorney Richard Brown said.

During the attack, Fagirad bit, slapped, choked and beat the 22-year-old woman with a belt, pushed her down a flight of stairs and sat on her chest, prosecutors said. At one point, prosecutors said, Fagirad threw his wife up against a wall, held her there by the neck and then let her drop to the floor, where he beat her with a belt. Fagirad told police his "wife was a dog and he was going to treat her like a dog," prosecutors said.

When Fagirad left the home, his wife fled and went to the 109th Precinct stationhouse, where she filed a domestic violence report, prosecutors said. She then returned home. When Fagirad returned, he demanded his wife's cell phone and called police to file a counterclaim, prosecutors said.

The woman, who was not named, was hospitalized for bruises and scratches to her neck and back. Prosecutors said Fagirad's limited diplomatic immunity only covers work-related infractions.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/02/13/2009-02-13_afghan_diplomat_mohammed_fagirad_charged.html

PoliCon
02-14-2009, 10:16 PM
ah the religion of peace . . . .

tacitus
02-14-2009, 10:18 PM
I thought it was pieces, head, arms, feet etc.

Lanie
02-15-2009, 08:29 PM
If he pushed her down the stairs, it seems to me they could get an attempted murder charge. To only charge with abuse isn't enough. He'll get out in no time.

The Night Owl
02-16-2009, 02:13 PM
ah the religion of peace . . . .

Are we to sarcastically refer to Christianity as "the religion of peace" every time we hear news of Christians abusing their spouses and/or children or do you reserve that title only for religions you don't like?

Celtic Rose
02-16-2009, 02:17 PM
If he pushed her down the stairs, it seems to me they could get an attempted murder charge. To only charge with abuse isn't enough. He'll get out in no time.

That seems reasonable. I'm glad to hear that his diplomatic immunity won't cover spousal abuse.:cool:

Odysseus
02-16-2009, 03:03 PM
Are we to sarcastically refer to Christianity as "the religion of peace" every time we hear news of Christians abusing their spouses and/or children or do you reserve that title only for religions you don't like?
When was the last time a Christian blew himself up in the name of Christ? You seem to have missed the point, which is that, among the world's religions, only one has to constantly remind us of its peaceful intent while its adherants constantly demonstrate the opposite, and it's not Christianity, Judaism, Buhddism, Shintoism, Hinduism or Zoroastrianism, it's Islam. Deal with it.

That seems reasonable. I'm glad to hear that his diplomatic immunity won't cover spousal abuse.:cool:
The question is whether she will be forced to return to Afghanistan with him when his assignment is up, or before that if he sends her home. If that's the case, then she will probably end up as an honor-killing statistic.

The Night Owl
02-16-2009, 03:21 PM
When was the last time a Christian blew himself up in the name of Christ? You seem to have missed the point...

No. You seem to have missed the point. We're not talking about someone who blew himself up in the name of Allah. We're talking about a wife beater.

Gingersnap
02-16-2009, 03:32 PM
We're talking about somebody who thinks it okay to beat dogs.

If you can't treat a pet nicely, you probably shouldn't upgrade to the human equivalent. :rolleyes:

YupItsMe
02-16-2009, 05:07 PM
Are we to sarcastically refer to Christianity as "the religion of peace" every time we hear news of Christians abusing their spouses and/or children or do you reserve that title only for religions you don't like?


I think he reserves it only for religions who don't automatically condemn that behavior and that teach that women are "less" than men.

Christian men usually want to take the wife abusers outback and give them a taste of their own medicine, but hopefully restrain themselves and let the law take care of it.

PoliCon
02-16-2009, 05:33 PM
Are we to sarcastically refer to Christianity as "the religion of peace" every time we hear news of Christians abusing their spouses and/or children or do you reserve that title only for religions you don't like?

Christianity does not claim to be the religion of peace. Thanks for playing :wave:

lacarnut
02-16-2009, 05:48 PM
Are we to sarcastically refer to Christianity as "the religion of peace" every time we hear news of Christians abusing their spouses and/or children or do you reserve that title only for religions you don't like?

If you were not such a loony atheist, you would recognize the statement as a metaphor.

Zeus
02-16-2009, 05:53 PM
If he pushed her down the stairs, it seems to me they could get an attempted murder charge. To only charge with abuse isn't enough. He'll get out in no time.

Ah but you need toprove attempted murder whereas just the claim of abuse is usually enough to convict.

The Night Owl
02-16-2009, 06:09 PM
Christianity does not claim to be the religion of peace. Thanks for playing :wave:

The Koran does not contain any claims that Islam is a religion of peace.

megimoo
02-16-2009, 06:13 PM
The Koran does not contain any claims that Islam is a religion of peace.You are full of crap TNO !

The Night Owl
02-16-2009, 06:31 PM
I think he reserves it only for religions who don't automatically condemn that behavior and that teach that women are "less" than men.

I don't know which Bible you're familiar with but the one I'm familiar with clearly suggests that women are less than men...


1 Corinthians 11:8-9

8For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.

9Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=I%20Corinthians%2011:8-9%20;&version=9;

PoliCon
02-16-2009, 06:39 PM
I don't know which Bible you're familiar with but the one I'm familiar with clearly suggests that women are less than men...


1 Corinthians 11:8-9

8For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.

9Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=I%20Corinthians%2011:8-9%20;&version=9;

way to quote a passage out of context!! :rolleyes: dumbass fucking atheist know it alls.

Gingersnap
02-16-2009, 06:56 PM
I don't know which Bible you're familiar with but the one I'm familiar with clearly suggests that women are less than men...


1 Corinthians 11:8-9

8For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.

9Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=I%20Corinthians%2011:8-9%20;&version=9;

Yes, but the bible doesn't sanction wife-beating as useful tool for family leadership and the Koran obviously does.

To ignore the implications of Islam in this case is to be naive at best or willfully ignorant at worst. Wife-beating is an instruction from the prophet to his followers. It's not a concept derived from parable or analogy. It's not something sifted out of OT style stories or the product of textual analysis. It's a flat instruction.

This man's transgression from a religious point of view is a matter of degree and duration, not behavior. The religious point of view is germane here because the husband can invoke talaq which results in a de facto divorce. When the case is put before the Family Court, the case will be decided according to sharia law. Under that law, in a he said/she said case, he wins because her testimony is worth half of his.

Aside from a very tiny minority of Christians in this country, wife-beating is uniformly seen as a despicable act which violates Christan morals and serves as evidence of a complete failure of Christian leadership on the part of the husband. No authoritative Christian institutions sanction wife-beating. None. No legal authority in this country would take a Christian man's word over his wife's word in any kind of case. No Christian family would imprison or kill a wife returned to her father's home because of divorce.

Values do matter.

The Night Owl
02-16-2009, 07:18 PM
Yes, but the bible doesn't sanction wife-beating as useful tool for family leadership and the Koran obviously does.

The Bible clearly indicates that the wife must submit to the husband in everything...


Ephesians 5:22-24 (New Living Translation)

22 For wives, this means submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23 For a husband is the head of his wife as Christ is the head of the church. He is the Savior of his body, the church. 24 As the church submits to Christ, so you wives should submit to your husbands in everything.

So, according to the Bible, if the husband feels that he needs to discipline his wife in some physical manner, then the wife must submit to the punishiment. Everything means everything!

FlaGator
02-16-2009, 07:36 PM
The Bible clearly indicates that the wife must submit to the husband in everything...


Ephesians 5:22-24 (New Living Translation)

22 For wives, this means submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23 For a husband is the head of his wife as Christ is the head of the church. He is the Savior of his body, the church. 24 As the church submits to Christ, so you wives should submit to your husbands in everything.

So, according to the Bible, if the husband feels that he needs to discipline his wife in some physical manner, then the wife must submit to the punishiment. Everything means everything!

Why must you take things out of context. You clearly have no understanding of the Bible and your efforts show your lack of knowledge. You left out :

Ephesians 5:25-27

Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.

Christ discourages all physical violence. Can you show me where the Bible states that it is ok to use physical force to discipline a wife?

Celtic Rose
02-16-2009, 07:38 PM
The Bible clearly indicates that the wife must submit to the husband in everything...


Ephesians 5:22-24 (New Living Translation)

22 For wives, this means submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23 For a husband is the head of his wife as Christ is the head of the church. He is the Savior of his body, the church. 24 As the church submits to Christ, so you wives should submit to your husbands in everything.

So, according to the Bible, if the husband feels that he needs to discipline his wife in some physical manner, then the wife must submit to the punishiment. Everything means everything!

Husbands are commanded to love their wives as Christ loves the church, and as they love their own bodies:

25Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, 26that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish. 28In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church, 30because we are members of his body. 31 "Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh." 32This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church. 33However, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.

Tell me, does a beating sound like a way to cherish and love one's wife as Christ loves the church?

FlaGator
02-16-2009, 07:41 PM
The Koran does not contain any claims that Islam is a religion of peace.

But it's followers have to keep reminding people that Islam is the religion of peace otherwise people might not be able to figure it out based on current Islamic behavior.

Gingersnap
02-16-2009, 08:38 PM
Traditional Christian operate under the New Covenant. Shockingly, we are not obliged to kill doves for various reasons nor to pass up the Shrimp Scampi.

The OT is loaded with various things that are applicable to Orthodox Jews. We are not Orthodox Jews. Most Jews aren't Orthodox Jews. Why would you use a text applicable to Orthodox Jews to prove a point on Christian conduct?

Christians acknowledge Christian leadership in family matters. This means the husband has the responsibility for making the best possible decisions for his wife and family based on his knowledge and circumstances. Smart husbands make smart decisions and stupid husbands make stupid decisions - just like in the atheist life!

Women have the responsibility of being the "heart" of Christian families. They can pay the bills, play around with the IRA, drive in NASCAR, and shoot turkeys (among other things). Once they say their piece about a decision, the husband decides taking his wife's counsel into account. Just like Mohammad was constantly at his wife's beck and call financially and in other practical matters until her death.

Try again.

Odysseus
02-16-2009, 10:06 PM
No. You seem to have missed the point. We're not talking about someone who blew himself up in the name of Allah. We're talking about a wife beater.
From a culture that sanctions beatings and killings of wives and daughters if they bring dishonor on the men who own them.

The Koran does not contain any claims that Islam is a religion of peace.
This is true. The Koran is about as intolerant a religious document as you will find, especially on the status of women. Some examples:

“Men are superior to women because Allah has made so. Therefore good women are obedient, and (as to) those (women) on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.” (Sura 4, verse 34).

“And as for those who are guilty of an indecency from among your women, call to witnesses against them, four (witnesses) from among you; then if they bear witness confine them to the houses until death takes them away or Allah opens some way for them.” (Sura 4, verse 15).

And, a woman’s testimony is worth half of that of a man (which is only fair, since according to Sharia law, a woman should only inherit half as much as a man if they are both heirs to the same estate).


“O you who believe! when you deal with each other in contracting a debt for a fixed time then call in to witness from among your men two witnesses; but if there are not two men, then one man and two women from among those whom you choose to be witnesses, so that if one of the two errs, the second of the two may remind the other.” (Sura 2, verse 282).

As for sex, women must be ready for it any time the husband demands it.

“Your wives are a tilth for you, so go into your tilth when you like, and do good beforehand for yourselves, and be careful (of your duty) to Allah, and know that you will meet Him, and give good news to the believers.” (Sura 2, verse 223).
But, the various Islamist groups practice a particularly vicious form of deception called "Taqiyya," the deliberate dissimulation about religious matters that may be undertaken to protect Islam and the faithful. Taqiyya allows Moslems to lie, cheat, abrogate treaties, in short, say anything in the pursuit of jihad. Thus, when CAIR tells us that Islam is a religion of peace (and they do, constantly), they do so knowing that it is a lie meant to advance Dar al Islam.

BTW, if you're going to be an atheist, at least take the time to know what it is that you don't believe in.

PoliCon
02-17-2009, 12:15 AM
The Bible clearly indicates that the wife must submit to the husband in everything...


Ephesians 5:22-24 (New Living Translation)

22 For wives, this means submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23 For a husband is the head of his wife as Christ is the head of the church. He is the Savior of his body, the church. 24 As the church submits to Christ, so you wives should submit to your husbands in everything.

So, according to the Bible, if the husband feels that he needs to discipline his wife in some physical manner, then the wife must submit to the punishiment. Everything means everything!

keep going shit head. Don't stop in the middle of the passage. Go a few verses farther and you see that your interpretation is utter SHIT.

noonwitch
02-17-2009, 09:32 AM
Are we to sarcastically refer to Christianity as "the religion of peace" every time we hear news of Christians abusing their spouses and/or children or do you reserve that title only for religions you don't like?



The difference between Christians abusing their wives and muslims doing so is that the modern, mainstream christian religion does not sanction the abuse. Even Pat Robertson says that a woman shouldn't stay with a man who mistreats them.

The Night Owl
02-17-2009, 09:34 AM
Why must you take things out of context. You clearly have no understanding of the Bible and your efforts show your lack of knowledge. You left out :

Ephesians 5:25-27

Christ discourages all physical violence. Can you show me where the Bible states that it is ok to use physical force to discipline a wife?

Of course the Bible doesn't explicitly say that husbands may abuse wives but it clearly gives them the authority to do so. Consider...

According to one rather odd passage in the Bible, a wife who touches the genitals of another woman's husband is to have her hand cut off...


Deuteronomy 25:11-12 (King James Version)

11When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets:

12Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.

Kind of severe if you ask me.

The Night Owl
02-17-2009, 09:41 AM
BTW, if you're going to be an atheist, at least take the time to know what it is that you don't believe in.

I was a Catholic for far longer than I have been an atheist. Of course, I never truly believed even when I was a practicing Catholic. I just couldn't shake that feeling that the whole thing is a big fairy tale.

The Night Owl
02-17-2009, 09:47 AM
Husbands are commanded to love their wives as Christ loves the church, and as they love their own bodies:



Yes, the Bible instructs husband to love their wives as they love their own bodies but it also instructs that wounding blows cleanse away evil...


Proverbs 20:30 (King James Version)

30The blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil: so do stripes the inward parts of the belly.

FlaGator
02-17-2009, 09:55 AM
Of course the Bible doesn't explicitly say that husbands may abuse wives but it clearly gives them the authority to do so. Consider...

According to one rather odd passage in the Bible, a wife who touches the genitals of another woman's husband is to have her hand cut off...


Deuteronomy 25:11-12 (King James Version)

11When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets:

12Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.

Kind of severe if you ask me.

You are comparing the old covenant social laws with the new covenant social laws. Again your lack of Biblical understanding is evident. Christ encourages Christians to avoid personal violence and retaliation as evidence of authentic belief. If you are going to use the Bible to debate Christian beliefs then you will need to become a much better scholar of Scripture.

FlaGator
02-17-2009, 10:02 AM
Yes, the Bible instructs husband to love their wives as they love their own bodies but it also instructs that wounding blows cleanse away evil...


Proverbs 20:30 (King James Version)

30The blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil: so do stripes the inward parts of the belly.

That doesn't not encourage self-abuse; it says that suffering caused by injuries heals us from evil that may have caused the injury. Where does it state that the wounds are cause by self-mutilation?

Another interpretation of Proverbs 20:30

Blows and wounds cleanser away evil,

and beatingss purge the inmost being.

Odysseus
02-17-2009, 12:01 PM
I was a Catholic for far longer than I have been an atheist. Of course, I never truly believed even when I was a practicing Catholic. I just couldn't shake that feeling that the whole thing is a big fairy tale.
And now you're out to make sure that everyone feels the same way about it that you do. How does it diminish you if some people believe in something that is essentially harmless to you? What harm do believers in Christianity or Judaism do to you?

PoliCon
02-17-2009, 12:16 PM
I was a Catholic for far longer than I have been an atheist. Of course, I never truly believed even when I was a practicing Catholic. I just couldn't shake that feeling that the whole thing is a big fairy tale.

You were never a catholic. You may have gone through the motions - but the motions don't make you catholic or Christian. You're BS reading of scripture proves that you never had any understanding of what it means to be a follower of Christ. You and wilbur both need to get your heads out of your asses - or out. I'm not partial to either choice.