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ironhorsedriver
02-18-2009, 02:38 PM
Holder: US is nation of cowards on racial matters

Feb 18 02:21 PM US/Eastern
By DEVLIN BARRETT
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Attorney General Eric Holder described the United States Wednesday as a nation of cowards on matters of race, saying most Americans avoid discussing unresolved racial issues.
In a speech to Justice Department employees marking Black History Month, Holder said the workplace is largely integrated but Americans still self-segregate on the weekends and in their private lives.

"Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial we have always been and continue to be, in too many ways, essentially a nation of cowards," said Holder, nation's first black attorney general.

Race issues continue to be a topic of political discussion, Holder said, but "we, as average Americans, simply do not talk enough with each other about race."

He urged people of all races to use Black History Month as a chance for frank talk about racial matters.

"It is an issue we have never been at ease with and, given our nation's history, this is in some ways understandable," Holder said. "If we are to make progress in this area, we must feel comfortable enough with one another and tolerant enough of each other to have frank conversations about the racial matters that continue to divide us."

He told Justice Department employees they have a special responsibility to advance racial understanding.
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Gingersnap
02-18-2009, 03:15 PM
What a tool. :rolleyes:

People socialize with other people who share the same the value systems, interests, and economic backgrounds. I don't pal around with atheists, illegal immigrants, Asian porcelain collectors, or black professional athletes.

There is no point in forcing a fake friendship just to cut another notch in your multi-culti bedpost. I would be bored beyond belief hanging around someone who didn't share my interests or hobbies. Now my experience has been that I have more in common with middle class blacks who attend church than I do with whites who own football teams or Asians who work in the porn industry.

FlaGator
02-18-2009, 03:23 PM
What a tool. :rolleyes:

People socialize with other people who share the same the value systems, interests, and economic backgrounds. I don't pal around with atheists, illegal immigrants, Asian porcelain collectors, or black professional athletes.

There is no point in forcing a fake friendship just to cut another notch in your multi-culti bedpost. I would be bored beyond belief hanging around someone who didn't share my interests or hobbies. Now my experience has been that I have more in common with middle class blacks who attend church than I do with whites who own football teams or Asians who work in the porn industry.

For some reason this surprises me....

Gingersnap
02-18-2009, 03:39 PM
For some reason this surprises me....

You have no idea how tedious it is to discuss current events with a Korean-American porn star or Pat Bowlen.

FlaGator
02-18-2009, 04:06 PM
You have no idea how tedious it is to discuss current events with a Korean-American porn star or Pat Bowlen.

Probably about as tedious as discussing Christianity or abortion with Wilbur.

Gingersnap
02-18-2009, 04:17 PM
Probably about as tedious as discussing Christianity or abortion with Wilbur.

Yeah, probably. :p

3rd-try
02-18-2009, 06:08 PM
Isn't the point of Holder's race comment the same ole? What ever you do never ever forget about the racial aspect of another. No, that would be soooo wrong. Why, if all the race talk subsided, people would likely gravitate toward treating others based on an individual basis. Think of the horror!

lacarnut
02-18-2009, 06:47 PM
Isn't the point of Holder's race comment the same ole? What ever you do never ever forget about the racial aspect of another. No, that would be soooo wrong. Why, if all the race talk subsided, people would likely gravitate toward treating others based on an individual basis. Think of the horror!

Yep, but think of the horror of those white folks that guilt tripped into voting for the first black man as Prez. He might not have gotten elected without their support.:eek: It would also be so terrible that shake down artist like Jessie and greaseball Al would have to get a real job. Or those blacks that got jobs, education, promotions because of their race and set asides. This double talking negro probably was a prodigy of affirminative action. Stirring up racial divide is what Democraps do best.

Bubba Dawg
02-18-2009, 08:53 PM
Take from that quote whatever you will.



Gosh, I wonder why? The OJ Simpson trial proved that the only thing worse than being a double-murderer is being a racist - maybe nobody wants to take the chance of being accused of racism? :confused:



"Frank talk" about "racial matters", eh? Okay, I have some questions that I would like "frank" answers to:

1. Why is there a Black History Month? Miss Black America? NAACP? UNCF? BET? Discuss possible social and political reactions to a White History Month, a Miss White America pageant, an NAAWP, a UWCF and a WET.

2. Why do we celebrate Martin Luther King Jr's birthday, but Washington and Lincoln's birthday are lumped together? Further, I'd like an explanation as to how Affirmative Action fits in with MLK's vision for America.

3. Why is it that when a black stripper from Durham doesn't get raped by a gang of white kids, the media has a year-long, race-fueled orgy, but when two white kids from Tennessee are robbed, kidnapped, raped, mutilated and murdered by a gang of black kids, there isn't so much as a whisper about it?

4. Please explain why blacks make up 13% of the US population but roughly half of the prison population. Expand on your point using the words 'racist' and 'racism' as little as possible.

5. Please describe in your own words what constitutes a "hate crime" and why you feel "hate crime" legislation is necessary. Give specific examples to illustrate whom this legislation is protecting in the real world.

6. Please explain why the US Patent and Trademark Office ruled that "White Pride" is "Offensive" and "Immoral", yet they approved "Black Power" and "Black Supremacy".

7. Please give me valid definitions for the words 'racist', 'bigot', 'intolerant' 'xenophobic' and 'biased', and tell me which, if any, of these one might be called if they asked these questions in a public forum.

Excellent questions. And valid. And impossible to actually bring up without being accused of being a racist.

The double standard is in place.

SarasotaRepub
02-19-2009, 07:22 AM
Hey Holder, Fuck You asshole. Blackly of course.

Maybe the reason US prisons are filled with blacks is...I don't know...gee...THEY COMMITTED THE CRIMES TO BE PUT THERE???? AG Moran...

Kiss my ass with BHM.

noonwitch
02-19-2009, 09:31 AM
I don't know, I think he has a point-I have a white coworker who always whispers the word black, when referring to black people. She's a social worker in Detroit, and she has no problem using the n word when there are no black people around. Other white people will look at me funny when I say something like "I love black people's cooking" or whatever, but black people think it's funny-not so much that I say it, but how the other white people react. It's like I'm being too blunt or something, and the white people will say "Hush".


That kind of thing is completely silly to me.

Gingersnap
02-19-2009, 10:05 AM
I don't know, I think he has a point-I have a white coworker who always whispers the word black, when referring to black people. She's a social worker in Detroit, and she has no problem using the n word when there are no black people around. Other white people will look at me funny when I say something like "I love black people's cooking" or whatever, but black people think it's funny-not so much that I say it, but how the other white people react. It's like I'm being too blunt or something, and the white people will say "Hush".


That kind of thing is completely silly to me.

I never run into this kind of thing even though we have a consciously artificial racial quota system in place where I work. I call black people "black" on the occasions where a racial identifier is needed. I've never used "******" in a sentence in my life outside of term papers on racial matters. I've never given a moment's thought to "black" food, in fact, I had no idea there was such a thing. It's just Southern cooking as far as I can tell.

I've attended churches with friends where I was the only white face for blocks around and I never cared. So what? I know of plenty of pagan circles, Buddhist meditation groups, and yoga classes that are so white even I'm in danger of going snow blind.

Being color blind outside of medical matters is the sensible course. Forced association didn't work in the 7th grade and it won't work now for the same reasons. Only when people are willing to have common cause in something larger than themselves like Western values or patriotism or liberty will they put aside all this special interest noise.

Zeus
02-23-2009, 03:30 PM
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stsinner
02-23-2009, 04:09 PM
I addressed this issue at length here. (http://www.winchenchronicles.proboards102.com/index.cgi?board=americanews&action=display&thread=389) I choose not to cut and paste in case my opinions violate the rules of this forum.

Rebel Yell
02-23-2009, 04:35 PM
I addressed this issue at length here. (http://www.winchenchronicles.proboards102.com/index.cgi?board=americanews&action=display&thread=389) I choose not to cut and paste in case my opinions violate the rules of this forum.

I think me and you will get along just fine.

FlaGator
02-23-2009, 04:44 PM
Here is what I don't get. They all believe in the right of freedom of association but they howl like banshees when someone express a desire for its opposite, the freedom not to associate. That must be are right too, correct?

Odysseus
02-23-2009, 05:55 PM
What a tool. :rolleyes: ...I don't pal around with atheists, illegal immigrants, Asian porcelain collectors, or black professional athletes.
Okay, does this mean that you have a bias against porcelain collectors of Asian descent, or collectors of porcelain made in Asia?

You have no idea how tedious it is to discuss current events with a Korean-American porn star or Pat Bowlen.
I don't know about that. Just listening to either of them trying to pronounce "Kyrgyzstan" could be all kinds of entertaining. :D

When a liberal says that we're "afraid" to discuss race, what he really means is that we have expressed disagreement with his views of race, which must mean that we are afraid to say what we really think, because everyone knows what will happen to you if you agree with a liberal (which must be why so few people ever agree with them, so it must be really terrible). But, in the interests of AG Holder's belief that we should use Black History Month as a chance for frank talk about racial matters, I'd like to know his take on whether or not OJ killed Ron and Nicole (92% of blacks thought that he was framed), whether he thinks that Tawana Brawley was raped, whether he thinks that the Duke Lacrosse players were treated fairly, whether Rodney King could have avoided a beating by simply laying down, whether Reginald Denny could have avoided a beating the same way, to what extent race should trump other factors in hiring and college admissions and how many of these idiotic conversations we have to hold before he'll shut up and go back to doing his job?

stsinner
02-23-2009, 06:05 PM
I think me and you will get along just fine.

Glad to hear it.