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bluemeenie
03-12-2009, 07:33 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/10/veterans.health.insurance/index.html



You know, just when I thought this sleezeball couldn't sink any lower.....



At least some Dems are up in arms about this also.

SaintLouieWoman
03-12-2009, 09:57 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/10/veterans.health.insurance/index.html



You know, just when I thought this sleezeball couldn't sink any lower.....



At least some Dems are up in arms about this also.

I've had a terrible feeling that Obama would cut military expenses to pay for all his pet socialist projects. But to make our vets pay for service related injuries, you can't get any lower.

Hugh Lincoln
03-13-2009, 08:43 AM
I wonder who hates the military more, Clinton or Obama?

SecretOperative
03-13-2009, 09:54 PM
I think this is the first time I've agreed with our lefty Senator Patty Murray. I think I'll send her roses. (NOT) lol


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki confirmed Tuesday that the Obama administration is considering a controversial plan to make veterans pay for treatment of service-related injuries with private insurance.
Lawmakers say they'd reject a proposal to make veterans pay for treatment of war wounds with private insurance.

But the proposal would be "dead on arrival" if it's sent to Congress, Sen. Patty Murray, D-Washington, said.

Odysseus
03-13-2009, 10:25 PM
I wonder who hates the military more, Clinton or Obama?

It's a wash, but Obama is counting on us to put down the riots that will result from his policies.

Still, you have to admire the shamelessness of it. He wants to socialize medicine for indigents and illegals, but make Soldiers with injuries in the line of duty pay for the privilege of getting treatment. Even Clinton wasn't that brazen.

tacitus
03-13-2009, 10:35 PM
But there will still be free medical care for illegals. :mad:

Moon
03-14-2009, 06:43 AM
I think this is the first time I've agreed with our lefty Senator Patty Murray. I think I'll send her roses. (NOT) lol


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki confirmed Tuesday that the Obama administration is considering a controversial plan to make veterans pay for treatment of service-related injuries with private insurance.
Lawmakers say they'd reject a proposal to make veterans pay for treatment of war wounds with private insurance.

But the proposal would be "dead on arrival" if it's sent to Congress, Sen. Patty Murray, D-Washington, said.

And it seems Shinseki is going along with it. You'd think a former general would know how to treat troops better than that. What a dirtbag.

Gingersnap
03-14-2009, 09:52 AM
Breaking news but not in the right format for the Breaking News forum. ;)

Dan D. Doty
03-15-2009, 10:44 PM
It's a wash, but Obama is counting on us to put down the riots that will result from his policies.

Still, you have to admire the shamelessness of it. He wants to socialize medicine for indigents and illegals, but make Soldiers with injuries in the line of duty pay for the privilege of getting treatment. Even Clinton wasn't that brazen.

Most Moonbats have Narcistic Personality Disorder; in other words they expect the people they sh*t all over to kiss their ass.

To a normal mind, this would make no sense, but to a Moonbat this how they believe the Universe fundtions; we abuse you because you are inferior, and you kiss our ass because we're suprior.

lacarnut
03-16-2009, 12:13 AM
Most Moonbats have Narcistic Personality Disorder; in other words they expect the people they sh*t all over to kiss their ass.

To a normal mind, this would make no sense, but to a Moonbat this how they believe the Universe fundtions; we abuse you because you are inferior, and you kiss our ass because we're suprior.

Obama is a narcissist in the same vain as Jim Jones, Hitler, Manson and Stalin. All these men had a tremendous influence over their fanciers. They created a personality cult around themselves. They gave them hope but in the end brought them to their doom.

Obama does not care about the veterans; he only cares about things that help him reach his personal objectives. That is why he voted present so many times. The man is an empty suit. This country may never be the same.

Odysseus
03-16-2009, 01:41 AM
Most Moonbats have Narcistic Personality Disorder; in other words they expect the people they sh*t all over to kiss their ass.

To a normal mind, this would make no sense, but to a Moonbat this how they believe the Universe fundtions; we abuse you because you are inferior, and you kiss our ass because we're suprior.


Obama is a narcissist in the same vain as Jim Jones, Hitler, Manson and Stalin. All these men had a tremendous influence over their fanciers. They created a personality cult around themselves. They gave them hope but in the end brought them to their doom.

Obama does not care about the veterans; he only cares about things that help him reach his personal objectives. That is why he voted present so many times. The man is an empty suit. This country may never be the same.

Rudyard Kipling said it best:


Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.

AlmostThere
03-16-2009, 08:48 PM
It's a wash, but Obama is counting on us to put down the riots that will result from his policies.

Still, you have to admire the shamelessness of it. He wants to socialize medicine for indigents and illegals, but make Soldiers with injuries in the line of duty pay for the privilege of getting treatment. Even Clinton wasn't that brazen.

What's your guess as to the effect Obama's policies will have on re-enlistment and retention of Officers? Personally, I'd have a hard time putting my butt on the line under these circumstances.

AlmostThere
03-16-2009, 09:06 PM
Rudyard Kipling said it best:

Yes he did:

If you can fill the unforgiving minute with 60 seconds worth of distance run-

Different piece of work but I love that line.

marinejcksn
03-17-2009, 02:23 PM
Beck had an interesting point about this topic on today's show. Now, I'm like Glenn on this issue, I haven't done all my homework on it yet but here's basically what he got from this plan and it's how I understood it too:

Basically, the VA will pay for injuries to Military Servicemembers. However, under this new rule, if the VA pays for your medical bills and then you obtain a civilian settlement (say you were injured in a car accident and the other driver's insurance gives you a bunch of money), then you don't get to keep the civilian money and it goes back to the Government. Which I agree with.

Now I might be WAY off on this, so if anyone has more information I'd love to get the whole story.

AlmostThere
03-17-2009, 05:10 PM
Beck had an interesting point about this topic on today's show. Now, I'm like Glenn on this issue, I haven't done all my homework on it yet but here's basically what he got from this plan and it's how I understood it too:

Basically, the VA will pay for injuries to Military Servicemembers. However, under this new rule, if the VA pays for your medical bills and then you obtain a civilian settlement (say you were injured in a car accident and the other driver's insurance gives you a bunch of money), then you don't get to keep the civilian money and it goes back to the Government. Which I agree with.

Now I might be WAY off on this, so if anyone has more information I'd love to get the whole story.

From what I've read it's not a matter of the service member receiving some settlement. The VA provides the medical care and then basically bills your private insurance. Here's where the service member gets royally screwed. Don't a lot of private insurance policies require a deductible? Is the VA gonna pay your deductible? If the private insurance has a cap on limits, it may or may not be enough to cover the vet's injuries. But if the vet maxes out the benefit's cap, what about his family's medical needs? I'm pretty sure this is another way Obama is trying to tell vets to bend over and grab their ankles. :mad:

marinejcksn
03-17-2009, 06:31 PM
From what I've read it's not a matter of the service member receiving some settlement. The VA provides the medical care and then basically bills your private insurance. Here's where the service member gets royally screwed. Don't a lot of private insurance policies require a deductible? Is the VA gonna pay your deductible? If the private insurance has a cap on limits, it may or may not be enough to cover the vet's injuries. But if the vet maxes out the benefit's cap, what about his family's medical needs? I'm pretty sure this is another way Obama is trying to tell vets to bend over and grab their ankles. :mad:

If that's the case, then our troops will get screwed over yet again. I'm not too sure how the VA works it's medical because in the Marines I don't have private health insurance other than Tricare and I only have ever needed that when I got sick out of state and had to see my parent's doctor. Generally, if it isn't a serious injury I just walk to the Base Medical Clinic for anything like blood tests, vaccinations, cold medicine, etc. Now, if it's a major surgery or life-threatening injury then Tricare gets involved and you go to either a big Army hospital or civilian hospital. Are you saying he plans on making us pay for that kind of treatment? Because if that's the case, that's seriously messed up.

Reggie
03-18-2009, 01:28 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/10/veterans.health.insurance/index.html



You know, just when I thought this sleezeball couldn't sink any lower.....



At least some Dems are up in arms about this also.

Just a quick fly-by to let you know that I've been in contact with many local and national veterans' groups, and with bi-partisan acclamation, we veterans are being heard. The key issues that I feel confident now that will prevent this from happening in its present form are as follows:

(1)Private insurance companies will be reluctant to insure American veterans with disabilities in the future

(2) Private businesses will not want to hire veterans because of the increased cost of health insurance and

(3)If a veteran maxes out his insurance on his disabilty, what will happen to a veteran's family when/if his family member develops a serious illness???

This is why I believe they are holding another meeting at the White House tomorrow (Thursday) with the 11 veterans groups. They know it won;t fly.

If you want to do something positive, contact your Senator or Congressperson and let them know how you feel about this.

Or log in your opinion at:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/opl/

Molon Labe
03-18-2009, 02:14 PM
It's a wash, but Obama is counting on us to put down the riots that will result from his policies.

Still, you have to admire the shamelessness of it. He wants to socialize medicine for indigents and illegals, but make Soldiers with injuries in the line of duty pay for the privilege of getting treatment. Even Clinton wasn't that brazen.

Clinton simply "loathed" the military. Since actions speak louder than words, Obama may be the most decietful rebrobates holding the POTUS, with regards to taking care of the troops, since Johnson. In no way should men who've served and been injured be left on their own.

Odysseus
03-18-2009, 04:57 PM
Clinton simply "loathed" the military. Since actions speak louder than words, Obama may be the most decietful rebrobates holding the POTUS, with regards to taking care of the troops, since Johnson. In no way should men who've served and been injured be left on their own.

Agreed. It's also incredibly shortsighted. If Obama were to look at how Democrats co-opt constituencies, he'd actually do everything in his power to increase our benefits and our dependency on his vision of big government. I'd have a hard time convincing a troopie who'd just gotten a huge gimme from Obama that he doesn't have our interests at heart. Similarly, Clinton was incredibly foolish when he froze military pay and made it a point to show flagrant disrespect to the armed forces (although, to be fair, if there's anything that Clinton really respected, besides power, I have as yet to see it), which further alienated us. If, instead, he'd triangulated and raised our pay, increased our benefits and did everything within his power to make us more comfortable while he cut other parts of defense, he'd have split the military politically as he weakened it. We're lucky that Democrats loathe us and don't see us as a constituency to be corrupted.

Reggie
03-18-2009, 05:54 PM
Obama backs off plan to alter vets' healthcare

By Roxana Tiron

Posted: 03/18/09 03:42 PM [ET]

The White House on Wednesday backed off a controversial plan that would have dramatically altered the way the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) handles insurance claims, after veterans groups staged an all-out fight against such a proposal.

President Obama will not pursue a proposal that would have allowed the VA to charge private insurance companies for the treatment of veterans with service- and war-related injuries. The proposal raised the ire of prominent Democrats on the House and Senate Veterans' Affairs panels. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) was the first to announce Wednesday afternoon that the president won’t pursue such a proposal.

For the second time in a week, representatives from prominent veterans organizations went to the White House on Wednesday to meet with the White House chief of staff on VA budget issues.

Jim King, the national executive director for American Veterans (AMVETS), said that the meeting with Rahm Emanuel lasted all of 15 minutes and that the health insurance issue was the only topic discussed. The representatives of the 11 veterans organizations told Emanuel they were not willing to back down, and the chief of staff told them that he thought the issue was “off the table,” but that he needed to talk to Obama.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/obama-backs-off-plan-to-alter-vets-care-2009-03-18.html

Lars1701a
03-18-2009, 07:02 PM
I am beginning to see a pattern here, this dumb FUCK has an idea but really does not want to go out on a limb. What does he do? he gets a flunky or lets it slip in some back room interview. When the inevitable shit storm comes he issues retractions.:mad:

Odysseus
03-19-2009, 09:21 AM
I am beginning to see a pattern here, this dumb FUCK has an idea but really does not want to go out on a limb. What does he do? he gets a flunky or lets it slip in some back room interview. When the inevitable shit storm comes he issues retractions.:mad:

The Clintons used to do that all the time. It's how they figured out how much they could get away with. If a trial balloon went up and didn't detonate on contact with reality, they went ahead and did it. It was also a good way to deflect attention when they wanted to do something really nasty under the radar.