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bijou
03-16-2009, 06:08 PM
In an Appeal Court test case he ruled that the welfare of children should not be put at risk because of the 'honour' idea held in some Muslim families.

The judge added: 'Arson, domestic violence and potential revenge likely to result in abduction or death are criminal acts which will be treated as such.
The case, involving three children of a Pakistani family who were removed by social workers and taken into care, is the first childcare case touching on honour issues to reach the level of the Appeal Court, which sets precedents to be followed in other courts.

The 41-year-old father of the children asked for the right to have contact with them, but was refused.
He also asked that the children, who have been put in the care of white non-Muslim foster parents, should be sent to live with a Muslim family.

The children were removed from the family following the death of another child and violent incidents connected to the role of a woman in their extended family.
Their 32-year-old mother is serving a five-year jail sentence for arson.

Violence in the family began when an uncle of the three children now in state care contracted a marriage to a woman from Pakistan, who was pregnant with her first child when she came to England in 2003. The child died at the age of 27 months after suffering multiple injuries.

The dead child was said in court to have shown injuries that may have been caused by sexual abuse.

The husband was convicted of murder. However, senior members of the family made it clear that they took his side.
A grandfather described the death of the child as an accident and the will of God, and made it clear that the husband should return to live at the family home on his release.

The mother of the dead child was said by Lord Justice Wall to have been kept 'under virtual house arrest' and to be unaware of the name of the city where she lived. In May 2005, with the help of police and social workers, she fled to a secret location with her second child. She is said to remain in fear of her life.

The family's campaign against the fleeing mother extended to involve the three children now in care and living with a foster family.

The mother of the three children - a sister of the husband convicted of murder - reported in 2005 that her sister-in-law had returned to the family home in the company of a friend and dressed in a burka and had assaulted the children.

She alleged that her sister-in-law had cut her hands and neck with a knife, poured white spirit over the clothes of one of the children, and had set fire to clothing. The story was found to be untrue, and the three children were taken into care.

The foster parents of the three children - a girl of 11 and boys of nine and five - have since had to move several times because of fears for their safety.


...link (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1162409/Theres-honour-killing-judge-tells-Muslim-family-test-case.html)

AHeneen
03-16-2009, 08:00 PM
This was in England? I thought English politicians, judges, etc cozied up to the Muslims

Odysseus
03-16-2009, 08:00 PM
link (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1162409/Theres-honour-killing-judge-tells-Muslim-family-test-case.html)


The mother of the dead child was said by Lord Justice Wall to have been kept 'under virtual house arrest' and to be unaware of the name of the city where she lived. In May 2005, with the help of police and social workers, she fled to a secret location with her second child. She is said to remain in fear of her life.

...The family's campaign against the fleeing mother extended to involve the three children now in care and living with a foster family...

...The foster parents of the three children - a girl of 11 and boys of nine and five - have since had to move several times because of fears for their safety.

So, the father murders a child through sexual torture, the rest of the family lies about the mother and the foster family is in hiding due to threats against their safety. Why haven't these monsters been deported?

PoliCon
03-16-2009, 08:04 PM
So, the father murders a child through sexual torture, the rest of the family lies about the mother and the foster family is in hiding due to threats against their safety. Why haven't these monsters been deported?

because silly - islam is a religion of piece . . . . a piece here . . . . a piece there . . . .

bijou
03-17-2009, 02:21 AM
So, the father murders a child through sexual torture, the rest of the family lies about the mother and the foster family is in hiding due to threats against their safety. Why haven't these monsters been deported?

Probably because they are British citizens and therefore can't be deported any more than any other citizen could.

Odysseus
03-17-2009, 02:46 AM
Probably because they are British citizens and therefore can't be deported any more than any other citizen could.

That's probably true, since the only one who was from Pakistan was the victim. Still, there has to be some way to get people who refuse to assimilate and demand that their culture be the only one respected out of the country. This isn't going to go away.

djones520
03-17-2009, 03:23 AM
That's probably true, since the only one who was from Pakistan was the victim. Still, there has to be some way to get people who refuse to assimilate and demand that their culture be the only one respected out of the country. This isn't going to go away.

Crack down with the full weight of the law on these people. Stop giving into their demands, and start demanding back. Everytime they beat their children, lock them up. Honor killing, put them in the chair (or whatever the Brits do). Make it clear that their will be zero tolerance for this barbaric bullshit.

I just hope the people over there who run the show over there can pull their collective heads out of their asses before it's to late.

Sonnabend
03-17-2009, 03:35 AM
I just hope the people over there who run the show over there can pull their collective heads out of their asses before it's to late.

It already is.

AlmostThere
03-17-2009, 08:36 AM
Crack down with the full weight of the law on these people. Stop giving into their demands, and start demanding back. Everytime they beat their children, lock them up. Honor killing, put them in the chair (or whatever the Brits do). Make it clear that their will be zero tolerance for this barbaric bullshit.

I just hope the people over there who run the show over there can pull their collective heads out of their asses before it's to late.

If the Archbishop of Canterbury has his way and Sharia law is incorporated into British law, honor killings will likely be far more prevalent. Free speech is a beautiful thing but as long as street corner mullahs are allowed to call for the violent destruction of British life, it will be impossible to bring Islam out of the middle ages much less into the 21st century.

PoliCon
03-17-2009, 10:15 AM
If the Archbishop of Canterbury has his way and Sharia law is incorporated into British law, honor killings will likely be far more prevalent. Free speech is a beautiful thing but as long as street corner mullahs are allowed to call for the violent destruction of British life, it will be impossible to bring Islam out of the middle ages much less into the 21st century.

Free speech only goes so far remember. Not all speech is protected - and this crap shouldn't fall under protected speech.

bijou
03-17-2009, 04:28 PM
Honor Killing in Texas
by Robert Spencer

01/08/2008


Amina Said, 18, and her sister Sarah, 17, smile happily in one widely circulating photo, and Amina is wearing what looks like a sweatshirt bearing the name “AMERICAN.” But their fate may have been the herald of a new, disquieting feature of the American landscape: honor killing. Amina and Sarah were shot dead in Irving, Texas, on New Year’s Day. Police are searching for their father, Yaser Abdel Said, on a warrant for capital murder.

The girls’ great aunt, Gail Gartrell, told reporters, “This was an honor killing.” She explained that Yaser Said had long abused the girls, and after discovering that they had boyfriends, had threatened to kill them -- whereupon their mother fled with them. “She ran with them,” said Gartrell, “because she knew he would carry out the threat.” But Said found them, and apparently did carry it out.

...link (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24329)