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mike128
05-30-2008, 11:58 PM
First, I would like to say there is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to cut taxes and reduce the size of government.

But I'm sick and tired of those politicians who run TV and radio ads that claim they're a strong "Fiscal Conservative." 9 out of 10 times, this means the candidate is also pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, pro-amnesty for illegals, pro-affirmative action, etc. They would be better off calling themselves tax-cutting Democrats.

I only vote for REAL conservatives. If a socially liberal "Fiscal Conservative" wins the Republican Primary, I will usually either vote the candidate down in the general election, or sit out the election altogether. I have already voted against Doug Forrester when he ran for NJ governor, and I don't apologize. Forrester was a social liberal, just like Corzine, so it really didn't matter to me who won that election. I was also angry at how badly Bret Schundler's record got smeared during the Republican Primary that year.

So, if the Republicans want to win local and statewide elections this year, they had better knock off the "Fiscal Conservative" nonsense, and nominate REAL conservatives to solidify the base and defeat the Democrats in the fall.

FeebMaster
05-31-2008, 12:10 AM
So, if the Republicans want to win local and statewide elections this year, they had better knock off the "Fiscal Conservative" nonsense, and nominate REAL conservatives to solidify the base and defeat the Democrats in the fall.

Real conservatives are all about "Fiscal Conservative" nonsense. Scratch the surface of most of them and you basically have your standard dirty, government worshiping commie.

There's like five guys in the entire country who call themselves conservative and actually want smaller government.

LibraryLady
05-31-2008, 12:20 AM
Oh boy, look who's back. CU's own little megalomaniac throwing around his imaginary power and vacuous threats.

How's that worked for you so far, mike?

Aklover
05-31-2008, 01:13 AM
Too many closet populist/protectionist in the GOP, that might be what you mean by socially liberal.


Or is it that anyone who does not push religion on others or tout their Christianity as a qualification for public office is to you a socal liberal?

Space Gravy
05-31-2008, 08:49 AM
The trick is getting a "Real" Conservative to win a general election when they rarely win their primary.

The top 3 in the GOP primary could hardly be called "Real" conservatives.

mike128
06-01-2008, 01:40 AM
The trick is getting a "Real" Conservative to win a general election when they rarely win their primary.

The top 3 in the GOP primary could hardly be called "Real" conservatives.
Ronald Reagan was the last REAL Conservative President. He won two LANDSLIDE victories, despite authoring a book called, "Abortion & the Conscience of the Nation" back in 1983, shortly before he began his re-election campaign back in 1984.

This nonsense that Republicans have to be more 'moderate' to win in the general election is just that -- nonsense! Just look at 2006. The bulk of the Republicans who lost in the 2006 general election were those beloved 'moderates' that the country club wing of the Republican Party loves so much. The base was abandoned, so they either stayed home, or voted the Republican 'moderate' candidates down.

Republicans only win when they stand on both social and fiscal conservative principles. Selling out on principles to win more elections only angers the base. And there aren't too many conservatives left in the Republican base that are stupid enough to fall for the "lesser of two evils" and the "nowhere else to go" campaign rhetoric anymore.

LibraryLady
06-01-2008, 09:07 AM
So who won the Republican nomination?

Your rants sound good but don't pan out.

FeebMaster
06-01-2008, 09:16 AM
Ronald Reagan was the last REAL Conservative President.

I rest my case.

gator
06-01-2008, 09:21 AM
Ronald Reagan was the last REAL Conservative President.

You donít know what you are talking about. Ronald Ragan was a big government NewConservative. NewConservatives (NeoCons) are Liberals.

Although he cut income taxes he raised other taxes substantially.

Although he slightly decreased the rate of government growth he increased the size of government while President.

Although he had it right on defeating the Soviets he continued to get us involved in interventionism in the Middle East that had nothing to do with our own security. Many Marines died for that interventionism.

He closed the Registry on Class III firearms when Class III firearms are never used in crimes so he had no respect for the Constitutional Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

There are no real Conservatives any more except for me. There are only Liberals and big government NeoCons.

Goldwater
06-01-2008, 10:48 PM
Ronald Reagan was the last REAL Conservative President. He won two LANDSLIDE victories, despite authoring a book called, "Abortion & the Conscience of the Nation" back in 1983, shortly before he began his re-election campaign back in 1984.

This nonsense that Republicans have to be more 'moderate' to win in the general election is just that -- nonsense! Just look at 2006. The bulk of the Republicans who lost in the 2006 general election were those beloved 'moderates' that the country club wing of the Republican Party loves so much. The base was abandoned, so they either stayed home, or voted the Republican 'moderate' candidates down.

There were reasons for his popularity besides being a conservative. Although he was probably the only conservative president since Coolidge (who was awesome). Social conservatism has proved only to win politicians the nomination, normal people don't care a great deal about drugs or gay marriage.

wilbur
06-02-2008, 08:53 PM
Well, those who I know who claim to be social liberal/fiscal conservatives are people more like myself (ie. libertarian conservative). Most of the issues raised in the OP wouldn't really fit the bill for that type. They generally identify this way to disassociate themselves from the big government nanny state liberals called social conservatives.

Lanie
06-02-2008, 09:00 PM
First, I would like to say there is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to cut taxes and reduce the size of government.

But I'm sick and tired of those politicians who run TV and radio ads that claim they're a strong "Fiscal Conservative." 9 out of 10 times, this means the candidate is also pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, pro-amnesty for illegals, pro-affirmative action, etc. They would be better off calling themselves tax-cutting Democrats.

I only vote for REAL conservatives. If a socially liberal "Fiscal Conservative" wins the Republican Primary, I will usually either vote the candidate down in the general election, or sit out the election altogether. I have already voted against Doug Forrester when he ran for NJ governor, and I don't apologize. Forrester was a social liberal, just like Corzine, so it really didn't matter to me who won that election. I was also angry at how badly Bret Schundler's record got smeared during the Republican Primary that year.

So, if the Republicans want to win local and statewide elections this year, they had better knock off the "Fiscal Conservative" nonsense, and nominate REAL conservatives to solidify the base and defeat the Democrats in the fall.

And yet conservatives sometimes ask me why I mostly consider the social issues and not the fiscal ones when it comes to being a conservative? Because I know the definition of conservative has changed.

mike128
06-03-2008, 05:48 AM
So who won the Republican nomination?

Your rants sound good but don't pan out.
OK, LL. We can all admit that John McCain isnt exactly the ideal 'conservative'. But at least I am willing to give McCain a chance, UNLIKE if Massachusetts Liberal Mitt Romney or Pro-Abortion Adulterer Rudy Giuliani had won the nomination.

McCain's first major decision will be who he picks as his VP running mate. And as a proud staunch social conservative, I will be using McCain's VP pick as a LITMUS TEST to decide whether or not I will vote for him in the fall.

If McCain picks a pro-abortion, pro-amnesty, pro-affirmative action 'Fiscal Conservative' as his running mate, I will SURELY vote the ticket down this November.