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hazlnut
03-31-2009, 09:14 PM
Decent piece on how some people are murdering the language one word at a time. (http://www.opednews.com/articles/Republicans-have-no-Clue-w-by-Steven-Leser-090308-590.html)


The latest lexical victims are "Socialism" and "Communism". The Republican and Conservative right in America now liberally apply these words to anyone who is center and center left, including all Democrats and President Barack Obama.




Here is a generous hint to my feebleminded right wing friends. It is impossible to be a Socialist or a Communist if one is not calling for the nationalization of entire industries. Now, I used a lot of big words there that right wingers reading this may not understand, so I will make my hint even easier to comprehend (note: comprehend means "understand"). If a government or a leader of a government is not taking over complete ownership and control of every business that has a certain function (i.e. does similar things), then you do not have a government or government leader that is Socialist or Communist. There is a similar relationship with property rights. If a government or leader is not advocating or actively taking private property rights away from people, you donít have a Socialist or Communist government or leader.

Write this down and keep it next to your bed.

Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating public or state ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.

Communism is a socioeconomic structure and political ideology that promotes the establishment of an egalitarian, classless, stateless society based on common ownership and control of the means of production and property in general.

patriot45
03-31-2009, 09:17 PM
[QUOTE=hazlnut;126307]
Decent piece on how some people are murdering the language one word at a time. (http://www.opednews.com/articles/Republicans-have-no-Clue-w-by-Steven-Leser-090308-590.html)






Are you totaly insane? Our Gov right now describes the word socialism!

megimoo
03-31-2009, 09:40 PM
[QUOTE=hazlnut;126307]
Decent piece on how some people are murdering the language one word at a time. (http://www.opednews.com/articles/Republicans-have-no-Clue-w-by-Steven-Leser-090308-590.html)






Are you totaly insane? Our Gov right now describes the word socialism!

"Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating public or state ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods."

Do you mean like buying your way into AIG with our money and dictating their salaries ?
Do you mean like Obama's administration dumping the CEO of General Motors ?
Do you mean telling what type of goods to make ?
This sure sounds like Socialism to me sweetie !

She's Just your typical blind,deaf and dumb idiotic, social engineering, liberal/Progressive
/Socialistic/Communist who denies everything after the facts are staring her in the face !They're all Centrists or slightly left of center but their definition of the center is far to the left of mine !

PoliCon
03-31-2009, 09:46 PM
SOCIALISM -

n.

1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
2. The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.


Columbia Encyclopedia: socialism
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socialism, general term for the political and economic theory that advocates a system of collective or government ownership and management of the means of production and distribution of goods. Because of the collective nature of socialism, it is to be contrasted to the doctrine of the sanctity of private property that characterizes capitalism. Where capitalism stresses competition and profit, socialism calls for cooperation and social service.

In a broader sense, the term socialism is often used loosely to describe economic theories ranging from those that hold that only certain public utilities and natural resources should be owned by the state to those holding that the state should assume responsibility for all economic planning and direction. In the past 150 years there have been innumerable differing socialist programs. For this reason socialism as a doctrine is ill defined, although its main purpose, the establishment of cooperation in place of competition remains fixed.FROM (http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?s=socialism&gwp=13)

Socialism is ANATHEMA to capitalism and the free market. Gimme Smith over Marx any day!

On a side note - you have to love how someone who "claims" to be a conservative is constantly beating us up with leftist propaganda such as this - global warming extremism - etc. :rolleyes:

tacitus
03-31-2009, 10:05 PM
Here is a generous hint to my feebleminded right wing friends. It is impossible to be a Socialist or a Communist if one is not calling for the nationalization of entire industries.

Here is a generous hint to the feeble minded fool that wrote this garbage, wake up and look and what the current socialist administration is doing to the major industries in this country. If you can't see that, then you are either a total idiot or an O worshiper.

megimoo
03-31-2009, 10:56 PM
Here is a generous hint to the feeble minded fool that wrote this garbage, wake up and look and what the current socialist administration is doing to the major industries in this country. If you can't see that, then you are either a total idiot or an O worshiper.She's a empty headed Obama troll from the Gold coast about to be taxed to death by her liberal/Progressive/Socialistic/Communist government !

PoliCon
03-31-2009, 11:07 PM
any action towards government control of the economy - whole sale or in part - is socialistic.

megimoo
03-31-2009, 11:27 PM
any action towards government control of the economy - whole sale or in part - is socialistic.That's obvious to the most casual observer unless they are dumb liberals !

hazlnut
04-01-2009, 11:18 AM
Another thread moved... Glad to see the Admins are objective and impartial.

O'Reilly thinks the way right-wing ideologues calling Obama a socialist is stupid. I guess he wouldn't be welcome here either.

Pity.

Conservatives who embrace narrow-mindedness and ignorance will not be happy.

Gingersnap
04-01-2009, 11:39 AM
O'Reilly thinks the way right-wing ideologues are calling Obama a socialist is stupid. I guess he wouldn't be welcome here either.


You're both welcome here as far as I can see. Just because neither you nor O'Reilly have an active fan club on this site doesn't mean that you aren't free to post any appropriate material in any appropriate forum. If you have a legitimate complaint about your treatment here, I'd be happy to hear it in PM.

asdf2231
04-01-2009, 01:12 PM
This got moved to "Stupid Liberal tricks" because it is a link to an Op-Ed piece written by some Liberal hack about how mean and wrong it is to call Obama a Socialist. :rolleyes:

Posted by you because you are pissed off that everybody is calling Obama a socialist.

Seemed like it belonged here.

PoliCon
04-01-2009, 01:14 PM
Another thread moved... Glad to see the Admins are objective and impartial.

O'Reilly thinks the way right-wing ideologues are calling Obama a socialist is stupid. I guess he wouldn't be welcome here either.

Pity.

Conservatives who embrace narrow-mindedness and ignorance will not be happy.

It's not the difference of opinion that is the problem - it's the attitude and the constant resorting to leftist attack pieces. You want us to take you seriously when you quote shit like this???
Here is a generous hint to my feebleminded right wing friends.

Molon Labe
04-01-2009, 01:38 PM
Write this down and keep it next to your bed.

Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating public or state ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.

Communism is a socioeconomic structure and political ideology that promotes the establishment of an egalitarian, classless, stateless society based on common ownership and control of the means of production and property in general.


Socialism = Communism 'lite'

You also might want to add the term "Progressive" to your list.

You know... that left wing code word for repackaged socialist, Marxist Bull shat. Their core themes are still class warfare.

Or better yet, just file it under Collectivist garbage and be done with it.

asdf2231
04-02-2009, 01:51 AM
Hey Hzlnutz?

Out of curiosity...

You posted this:

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First of all, it's not an article, it's an opinion piece. Important difference.

It reads like a RP piece, attacks supported by partisan arguments and assumptions.

You say it outlines the reasons why the agenda will fail. Then the rather large sections you quote contain appeals to ridicule and emotion but no real arguments or 'reasons' as you say.

That one notion:
Quote:
There has always been tension between the Democratic Party and the private sector. That tension is over. With its vote in the House of Representatives to punish corporate bonus payments, the national Democratic Party has disconnected itself entirely from the private sector.

That's completely baseless. Everyone at that level has connections to the private sector. The measure to tax bonuses is going no where--just placating the populist outrage. Both parties are extremely well funded and influenced by the private sector. What happen to Dodd and Obama getting the biggest contributions from AIG?

At least you didn't offer an opinion or editorial piece up as facts supporting your position. Ann Coulter's made that practice into an art form.

Which you used to attack a Rightwing poster here:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-partisan-politics-political-platforms/45890-democrats-bid-business-adieu.html#post1057974470

What the hell do you do HERE if not what you tore that guy to shreds for doing THERE?

And then you bitch because No-ONE will take the stupid Op-Ed piece YOU posted written by some partisan HACK as GOSPEL truth that Obumbler isn't a Socialist.

And BTW, one of your first posts here:
http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showpost.php?p=118556&postcount=5


Where do I start... I thought CU was a place conservative thinkers came to discuss how to become relevant and be taken seriously again... it's not about liberal or Al Gore, it's about fact vs. fiction...


If conservative thinkers want to be taken seriously, we need to be honest in our critical examination of a policy or idea and not just reject something simply because it's supported by Dems.

When we support bad judgment, incompetence, greed, PR spin, we gain only in the short run--in angry little sound bites at a Palin rally, however when the chickens finally come home, we look like fools standing around scratching our heads wondering where all the WMD's are...

Is a total frakking joke.

We really appreciate your scathing condescending efforts to edumicate all us unwashed hillbillies though. We KNOW you have the best interests of Conservatives and Republicans at heart. :rolleyes:

PoliCon
04-02-2009, 11:11 AM
trust the little blue blob to do the research and firmly expose the troll for what it is.

asdf2231
04-02-2009, 02:23 PM
Here is one of hzlnut's Amazon Reviews:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A3QBTLSH9X9XVH?ie=UTF8&sort_by=MostRecentReview


Stupid White Men ...and Other Sorry Excuses for the State of the Nation!
by Michael Moore

Turn off the tube and get informed., April 14, 2003
Stupid White Men is the most important work of nonfiction since All the President's Men. How did we all become so complacent? The 2000 election began and ended with major criminal conspiracies, after which we made a little noise, but ultimately did absolutely nothing. And that's just chapter one. Don't consider yourself informed until you've read this book. The negative reviews prove the old saying that the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn't exist.

I am pretty much through with this jackass dispensing advice on whats "Good" for Conservatives, thank you very much.

PoliCon
04-02-2009, 02:28 PM
Here is one of hzlnut's Amazon Reviews:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A3QBTLSH9X9XVH?ie=UTF8&sort_by=MostRecentReview



I am pretty much through with this jackass dispensing advice on whats "Good" for Conservatives, thank you very much.
I thought from the start there was something off - but I was willing to suspend disbelief . . . . my mistake.:mad:

tacitus
04-02-2009, 04:20 PM
Here is one of hzlnut's Amazon Reviews:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A3QBTLSH9X9XVH?ie=UTF8&sort_by=MostRecentReview

I am pretty much through with this jackass dispensing advice on whats "Good" for Conservatives, thank you very much.

What do you expect from a socialist that is still pissed off about the 2000 election.

marinejcksn
04-02-2009, 04:57 PM
O'Reilly thinks the way right-wing ideologues calling Obama a socialist is stupid. I guess he wouldn't be welcome here either.

The Leprechaun isn't real, he's a wind-bag who hacks for ratings. That's why he failed in Talk Radio, because he's just like Obama; without a Teleprompter telling him what to say he's a Big Dope.

Oh, and anyone who's actually READ Marx knows Socialism is the catalyst that leads to Communism, after the fall of Capitalism via the Revolution of the Proletariat. It was a crack pot idea from a Far Left Racist Anti-Semite who never worked a damn day in his life. Screw Marx, he was a moron. :mad: