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LogansPapa
06-30-2008, 10:55 AM
By Brian Knowlton
Sunday, June 29, 2008

WASHINGTON: With Senator Barack Obama planning to visit the Middle East and Europe in an apparent effort to burnish his foreign policy credentials, the credentials of his likely presidential rival, Senator John McCain, came under sharp attack Sunday from a man considered a possible Democratic vice presidential candidate.

The retired general Wesley Clark said McCain had not "held executive responsibility" and had not commanded troops in wartime.

McCain's experience in Vietnam, where he was a prisoner of war for five years, has seemed at times almost to grant him invulnerability to criticism of his security background. But on Sunday he was assailed by a fellow military man, a highly decorated one who was once the NATO supreme commander.

McCain frequently points out that he led "the largest squadron in the U.S. Navy," but Clark said on CBS television that that was not enough to support a claim to the presidency.

"He hasn't been there and ordered the bombs to fall" as a wartime commander, the general said on CBS. Clark is mentioned as a possible Obama running mate, although he originally supported Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.

When the interviewer, Bob Schieffer, noted to Clark that McCain had been shot down over Hanoi, Clark replied, "I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president."

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/29/america/campaign.php

nightflight
06-30-2008, 12:40 PM
When the interviewer, Bob Schieffer, noted to Clark that McCain had been shot down over Hanoi, Clark replied, "I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president."

But being a far-left empty suit is.

Gotcha.

dixierat
06-30-2008, 12:42 PM
The retired general Wesley Clark said McCain had not "held executive responsibility" and had not commanded troops in wartime.

That should convince everyone that Obama's vast experience as a military leader makes him the ONLY choice for POTUS this fall. IF he actually has any experience.

:cool:

LogansPapa
06-30-2008, 01:20 PM
This tactic from the Obama campaign is suicidal.

He can hit McCain for voting for the Iraq war, but to attempt a not-so-covert attack on this old barnacle's military perspective and how that might relate to the office, is idiotic.

The tide will come back in on this issue and Mr. Shuck & Jive may see the Old Manís teeth.

Constitutionally Speaking
06-30-2008, 01:22 PM
That should convince everyone that Obama's vast experience as a military leader makes him the ONLY choice for POTUS this fall. IF he actually has any experience.

:cool:

He certainly has experience in community organizing with the voter fraud perpetrators of ACORN.

But that is about it.

Servonaut
06-30-2008, 02:09 PM
Weasly should practice what he preaches

http://securingamerica.com/node/1731


I live by a simple rule. If you wore the uniform, if you served your nation with honor, and especially if you fought and were wounded in battle, then you have earned the right to be treated with respect.

That's why I am so outraged that the Republican party has systematically attacked the wartime service and patriotism of veterans who are running for office as Democrats. It is despicable -- the sign of a party more concerned about hanging onto power by any means possible than with giving veterans the respect they have earned.

Goldwater
06-30-2008, 08:32 PM
Not a good tactic to use, especially since the left loved McCain for saying the original swiftboat stuff was reminiscent of SC 2000.

Elspeth
06-30-2008, 08:53 PM
Weasly should practice what he preaches

http://securingamerica.com/node/1731

Someone should remind Clark of his statement here.

SarasotaRepub
06-30-2008, 10:11 PM
Crap like what Clark said over the weekend is very transparent.

No one on a campaign makes statements like he did unless they had it planned
and approved. Obama can now come out and poo poo Clark all he wants.

The point is Clark made the statements Obama's people wanted him to make,
they've been made and no one is going to give a crap about any apologies.

The point was for Clark to make the statements and get them out in the press.
Everything after that is pure bullshit.

vetwife
06-30-2008, 10:39 PM
Clark was answering a question from Sheiffer. He was making an observation. I heard him say
that McCain was his hero. He was proud of his service. He said getting shot down while serving was
not a qualification for president. Good example. Gator served in the military honorably and I would dare say with the exception of being a POW...served just as gallantly as McCain. Is Gator qualified to be president because he served in the military?

This board is very hypocritical when it comes to dissing our men in uniform. Ya'll will diss Gator at the drop of a hat and are doing it to a 4 star General because he made an observation which hurt McCain's feelings.
I have a problem with McCain 's lack of searching for other POW's while he constantly uses his military service just like Kerry did.

I don't think being a soldier or POW qualifies one for office nor does a community organizer. It's about the future and not about the past. Anyone want to run Gator for president..He did serve as a combat vet in Nam? HONORABLY. Credentials in the senate I would think and legislation is something that is debate worthy but not military service. It is honorable but it is not a qualification.

lacarnut
06-30-2008, 11:15 PM
Clark was answering a question from Sheiffer. He was making an observation. I heard him say
that McCain was his hero. He was proud of his service. He said getting shot down while serving was
not a qualification for president. Good example. Gator served in the military honorably and I would dare say with the exception of being a POW...served just as gallantly as McCain. Is Gator qualified to be president because he served in the military?

This board is very hypocritical when it comes to dissing our men in uniform. Ya'll will diss Gator at the drop of a hat and are doing it to a 4 star General because he made an observation which hurt McCain's feelings.
I have a problem with McCain 's lack of searching for other POW's while he constantly uses his military service just like Kerry did.

I don't think being a soldier or POW qualifies one for office nor does a community organizer. It's about the future and not about the past. Anyone want to run Gator for president..He did serve as a combat vet in Nam? HONORABLY. Credentials in the senate I would think and legislation is something that is debate worthy but not military service. It is honorable but it is not a qualification.

That is a lousy example in my opinion. Gator has no experience in governmental service and Obama has very little either. McCains qualifications and policies trumps Obama's big time in the areas of the war on terror, military spending, defense, taxes, medical care, etc. That is why I will vote for him based on experience and policies. Military service has very little to do with my vote nor does race.

I will never vote for a black or white racist and I think Obama is one. If I am not mistaken, Obama and his anti-American wife talk about race all the time. They do all that shucking and jiving about their race.

I certainly do not have a problem with McCain touting his military experience. The difference is that Obama has none. Got it! BTW, Clark is a puppet of the Obama campaign and will be rewarded with a cabinet post if Obama wins. Do you understand that concept?

Goldwater
06-30-2008, 11:51 PM
I think they're attempting to make this point because Obama isn't running on a military background with experience in leading, he is running on being clean and hopeful and all that.

Both images are a tad smokey.

lacarnut
07-01-2008, 12:14 AM
I think they're attempting to make this point because Obama isn't running on a military background with experience in leading, he is running on being clean and hopeful and all that.

Both images are a tad smokey.

Clark is trying to rub some glitter off of McCain's military service. Gen. Clark know that anything he can do to tarnish his image will be beneficial to Obama. Doing a hatchet job may backfire big time even though he is an ex- general and a sorry one in my opinion.

You say that Obama is clean and hopeful. I am too but I don't think that I meet the qualifications. :rolleyes:

Andrea Mitchell tried to cover Clark's ass by saying if was a gaffe; also, the Barrack star distanced himself from this creeps remarks.

asdf2231
07-01-2008, 12:45 AM
Clark was answering a question from Sheiffer. He was making an observation. I heard him say
that McCain was his hero. He was proud of his service. He said getting shot down while serving was
not a qualification for president. Good example. Gator served in the military honorably and I would dare say with the exception of being a POW...served just as gallantly as McCain. Is Gator qualified to be president because he served in the military?

This board is very hypocritical when it comes to dissing our men in uniform. Ya'll will diss Gator at the drop of a hat and are doing it to a 4 star General because he made an observation which hurt McCain's feelings.
I have a problem with McCain 's lack of searching for other POW's while he constantly uses his military service just like Kerry did.

I don't think being a soldier or POW qualifies one for office nor does a community organizer. It's about the future and not about the past. Anyone want to run Gator for president..He did serve as a combat vet in Nam? HONORABLY. Credentials in the senate I would think and legislation is something that is debate worthy but not military service. It is honorable but it is not a qualification.

Gator isn't running for office.

Obama is.

You really want to compare their records and tell us he has more experience than John McCain?

Because much as I find McCain an unideal candidate, he has shoes in his closet with more experience than Mr. Hope and change for a better tomorrow that isn't today because today will soon be the past and this election is all about the future. :rolleyes:

And Wesley Clark should hang his head in shame for doing himself what he bitterly criticized people doing to John Kerry.

This was a despicable and disgusting act no matter how many straw men you stand up in front of it.

AmPat
07-01-2008, 05:39 AM
VETWIFE, the problem was in the telling. Clark is an unapologetic DIMocRAT. He was attempting to minimalize McCain's service simply because he knows Obama has Non, nada, zilch, zero. Obama cannot counter McCain in this manner and it was blatantly stupid of his campaign to attempt it. Clark could have been more adept and skilled in making his point but he blew it. He knows it, the Obama campaign knows it, the only ones who don't think so act like it's no big deal but they know it too.

Obama looks and acts exactly like the smug, conceited, arrogant, better-than-all-the-rest-of-us liberal that he is. I suspect he is bigoted, racist, elitist, and unprepared for the position he seeks. The evidence to support this suspicion has been all over the news.

McCain has evidence to back up his military service, period. So how does the Obama braintrust concoct a scheme whereby they claim a 30 year Senate member, war hero, and decorated (not "self-decorated") Naval Officer is less qualified to be Commander -In-Chief than the pencil neck from Illinois?

FYI, General Clark was not exactly admired by his troops. He was IMO, out of touch with reality and the day he retired the Armed services got instantly better. When he opens his mouth, even his family nod off.

BAD MOVE Obama, but thanks!:D

Teetop
07-01-2008, 10:35 AM
Weasley Clark was the commander of Fort Hood, when the Waco massacre happened.

The

Posse Comitatus

Act of 1878
(http://www.dojgov.net/posse_comitatus_act.htm)

:eek:

Lager
07-01-2008, 10:46 AM
I wonder if Clark hurt his chances for VP. I was beginning to think that he would be Obama's choice as part of a way to appease Hillary supporters.

vetwife
07-01-2008, 10:50 AM
Yep he killed his chances for VP.

gator
07-01-2008, 10:54 AM
To me Obama making the choice not to serve in the military should be viewed as a negative. He was a chickenshit who didn't have enough respect for his country to do his duty, even for a couple of years.

To me McCain making the choice to serve in the military should be viewed as a positive. His service didn't prepare him for much of anything in politics but it indicates that he will put the needs of the nation before his own.

To me Clark's Left Wing views should be viewed as a negative. That trumps his military service and puts him in the same league as John Kerry. The league of traitors.

It is sad to see how Clark is playing the attack dog and Obama is denying everything. It part of a ploy to minimize McCain's obvious strength over Obama. Clark is being the fall guy whose job is to put doubt in the minds of swing voters. He will be rewarded if Obama wins.

megimoo
07-01-2008, 11:07 AM
I think they're attempting to make this point because Obama isn't running on a military background with experience in leading, he is running on being clean and hopeful and all that.

Both images are a tad smokey.Obama is using that Butt Wipe Clark to try and remove Mc Cains military record as an issue from the campaign .

By using Clark as a patsy he can deny any involvement and ,'Throw Clark under the bus' and sail away with clean hands having smeared MC Cain by proxy .

By doing Obama's will Clark has proven once again that he is a worthless political P.O.S !

Teetop
07-01-2008, 11:35 AM
Obama is using that Butt Wipe Clark to try and remove Mc Cains military record as an issue from the campaign .

By using Clark as a patsy he can deny any involvement and ,'Throw Clark under the bus' and sail away with clean hands having smeared MC Cain by proxy .

By doing Obama's will Clark has proven once again that he is a worthless political P.O.S !

Agreed. By proxy attacks are a mainstay of SnObama already.