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LogansPapa
06-30-2008, 11:27 AM
By Mark Mazzetti and David Rohde
Monday, June 30, 2008

WASHINGTON: Late last year, top Bush administration officials decided to take a step they had long resisted. They drafted a secret plan to authorize the Pentagon's Special Operations forces to launch missions into the snow-capped mountains of Pakistan to capture or kill top leaders of Al Qaeda.

Intelligence reports for more than a year had been streaming in about Osama bin Laden's terror network rebuilding in the Pakistani tribal areas, a problem that had been exacerbated by years of missteps in Washington and the Pakistani capital, Islamabad, sharp policy disagreements, and turf battles between American counterterrorism agencies.

The new plan, outlined in a highly classified Pentagon order, was designed to eliminate some of those battles. And it was meant to pave an easier path into the tribal areas for American commandos, who for years have bristled at what they see as Washington's risk-averse attitude toward Special Operations missions inside Pakistan. They also argue that catching Bin Laden will come only by capturing some of his senior lieutenants alive.

But more than six months later, the Special Operations forces are still waiting for the green light. The plan has been held up in Washington by the very disagreements it was meant to eliminate. A senior Defense Department official said there was "mounting frustration" in the Pentagon at the continued delay.

After the Sept. 11 attacks, President George W. Bush committed the nation to a "war on terrorism" and made the destruction of Bin Laden's network the top priority of his presidency. But it is increasingly clear that the Bush administration will leave office with Al Qaeda having successfully relocated its base from Afghanistan to Pakistan's tribal areas, where it has rebuilt much of its ability to attack from the region and broadcast its messages to militants across the world.

A recent American airstrike killing Pakistani troops has only inflamed tensions along the mountain border and added to tensions between Washington and Pakistan's new government.

The story of how Al Qaeda, Arabic for "the base," has gained a new haven is in part a story of American accommodation to President Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan, whose advisers played down the terrorist threat. It is also a story of how the White House shifted its sights, beginning in 2002, from counterterrorism efforts in Afghanistan and Pakistan to preparations for the war in Iraq.

Just as it had on the day before 9/11, Al Qaeda now has a band of terror camps from which to plan and train for attacks against Western targets, including the United States. Officials say the new camps are smaller than the ones the group used prior to 2001. However, despite dozens of American missile strikes in Pakistan since 2002, one retired CIA officer estimated that the makeshift training compounds now have as many as 2,000 Arab and Pakistani militants, up from several hundred three years ago.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/30/america/30tribal.php

dixierat
06-30-2008, 12:44 PM
You realize AQ has had a pretty good base of support in Pakistans' tribal regions for years? You realize we all know that?

:cool:

Goldwater
06-30-2008, 12:56 PM
You realize AQ has had a pretty good base of support in Pakistans' tribal regions for years? You realize we all know that?

:cool:

I would've gone in there with two flat feet and ended it by now.

LogansPapa
06-30-2008, 01:11 PM
You realize AQ has had a pretty good base of support in Pakistans' tribal regions for years? You realize we all know that?

:cool:

Yep - and about 12 billion American tax dollars in GWOT aid to insure it.

AmPat
06-30-2008, 11:44 PM
Yep - and about 12 billion American tax dollars in GWOT aid to insure it.

I heard Alan Colmes harp this same crap. The problems are well known, where are the solutions. Does the liberal "Skeletor" have a solution??????? NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! Like all present day liberals, Colmes likes to fling pooh with no apparent purpose in life other than to scream out the ills of society, place blame on the Republicans, then sit back and affect their usual smug attitude about how much better they would have handled events.

Well liberals, you have a chance. You have the majority House and Senate, still no solutions. You don't like any of the present policies, where are yours? Liberals have no VALID solutions. They have no real idea of how to fix these problems and therefore will not likely put forth any new or alternative ideas. Of course they CLAIM to promote change. What change? To what likely outcome? Liberals don't like these questions because they know the answers make them look foolish. But hey, it excites the voter's emotions and gets liberals the power back that they desperately want.

Of course pinning down a liberal as to what solutions they offer is met with every avoidance tactic known to mankind. The reason is when liberals actually TRY to act (an extremely rare condition), they act in EXACTLY the wrong way. This confuses them but does not deter them. What they predictably do next is to increase the failed action (higher taxes, more laws, etc) in an irrational belief that more flawed policy is the cure for their latest failure.

History and its lessons have no effect on liberalism. Liberals have the mindset that they cannot possibly be wrong because horror of horrors, that would mean GASP! Conservatives must be right! History has proven factually that liberal ideas of fixing problems don't and won't have any effect on their pet programs.

The war on poverty----More money and redistribution of wealth. Summary; raise taxes.
Efect on poverty= NONE!

Public education----More money despite public and private school cost have reached near equal cost. Liberal solution; spend more money ie, raise taxes.
Effect on education= NONE!

High price of gasoline-----Punitive tax on "evil" oil companies. Result; Olil company passes cost to consumers
Effect of Liberal "fix"==--higher gasoline cost at the pump!

More terrorists on Pakistan's border. Liberals decry this as an outrage.
The liberal fix is,,,,,,,,,,,Yep, more outrage. Most of the outrage is not directed to the terrorists, not even to our alleged allies. Most of the outrage is disingenuously directed at the Republican administration.
Why disingenuous? Because it reflects negatively on Republicans, deflects potential critizism toward the liberal, DO NOTHING CONGRESS. and helps them gain more power (Executive branch) to promote their failed Marxist-Socialist political agenda.

Universal sufferage is killing the United States of America. We need to have a polling station test prior to allowing people to vote. Successfully respirating for 18 years should not qualifiy a citizen for voting!:cool:

LogansPapa
07-01-2008, 10:14 AM
Well, this Liberalís solution is to field a fleet of 100 armed Predators, continue special ops like have been going on all along and lay waste to any camp our military feels necessary, until OBLís DNA is confirmed to have ceased living. Now that weíre to the point that less than 500 Iraqi civilians are dying per month (credit, where creditís due), our people can focus on the job thatís nearly seven years past due.

AmPat
07-01-2008, 11:55 PM
Well, this Liberalís solution is to field a fleet of 100 armed Predators, continue special ops like have been going on all along and lay waste to any camp our military feels necessary, until OBLís DNA is confirmed to have ceased living. Now that weíre to the point that less than 500 Iraqi civilians are dying per month (credit, where creditís due), our people can focus on the job thatís nearly seven years past due.

I agree, simple, common sense solutions would be effective. Political reality however rears its head and politicians interfere. Sometimes this is good. In the case of attacking our (nuclear capable) allie's sovereign territory, it's probably worth waiting for a predator strike. 7 years of waiting versus regional instability and nuclear conflagaration seems worth the wait to me. OBL is a figurhead. It is simplistic to believe if we "get" him then Al Kooky will disappear.

LogansPapa
07-02-2008, 10:56 AM
OBL is a figurhead. It is simplistic to believe if we "get" him then Al Kooky will disappear.

Simplistic has been the cornerstone of both GWB terms. Rove pushing the gay issue was one fine example of that routine during an election. Trust me - we may have an 'October Surprise' yet.;)