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megimoo
04-04-2009, 12:35 PM
Lately I’ve been consuming as much conservative media as possible (interspersed with shots of Pepto-Bismol) to get a better sense of the mind and mood of the right. My read: They’re apocalyptic. They feel isolated, angry, betrayed and besieged. And some of their “leaders” seem to be trying to mold them into militias.

At first, it was entertaining — just harmless, hotheaded expostulation. Of course, there were the garbled facts, twisted logic and veiled hate speech. But what did I expect, fair and balanced? It was like walking through an ideological house of mirrors. The distortions can be mildly amusing at first, but if I stay too long it makes me sick.

But, it’s not all just harmless talk. For some, their disaffection has hardened into something more dark and dangerous. They’re talking about a revolution.

Some simply lace their unscrupulous screeds with loaded language about the fall of the Republic. We have to “rise up” and “take back our country.” Others have been much more explicit.

For example, Chuck Norris, the preeminent black belt and prospective Red Shirt, wrote earlier this month on the conservative blog WorldNetDaily: “How much more will Americans take? When will enough be enough? And, when that time comes, will our leaders finally listen or will history need to record a second American Revolution?”

Representative Michele Bachmann of Minnesota, imagining herself as some sort of Delacroixian Liberty from the Land of the Lakes, urged her fellow Minnesotans to be “armed and dangerous,” ready to bust caps over cap-and-trade, I presume.

And between his tears, Glenn Beck, the self-professed “rodeo clown,” keeps warning of an impending insurrection by saying that he believes that we are heading for “depression” and “revolution” and then gaming out that revolution on his show last month. “Think the unthinkable” he said. Indeed.

All this talk of revolution is revolting, and it hasn’t gone unnoticed.

As the comedian Bill Maher pointed out, strong language can poison weak minds, as it did in the case of Timothy McVeigh. (We sometimes forget that not all dangerous men are trained by Al Qaeda.)

At the same time, the unrelenting meme being pushed by the right that Obama will mount an assault on the Second Amendment has helped fuel the panic buying of firearms. According to the F.B.I., there have been 1.2 million more requests for background checks of potential gun buyers from November to February than there were in the same four months last year. That’s 5.5 million requests altogether over that period; more than the number of people living in Bachmann’s Minnesota.



http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/04/opinion/04blow.html?_r=1

Odysseus
04-04-2009, 06:49 PM
Lately I’ve been consuming as much conservative media as possible (interspersed with shots of Pepto-Bismol) to get a better sense of the mind and mood of the right. My read: They’re apocalyptic. They feel isolated, angry, betrayed and besieged. And some of their “leaders” seem to be trying to mold them into militias.

At first, it was entertaining — just harmless, hotheaded expostulation. Of course, there were the garbled facts, twisted logic and veiled hate speech. But what did I expect, fair and balanced? It was like walking through an ideological house of mirrors. The distortions can be mildly amusing at first, but if I stay too long it makes me sick.

But, it’s not all just harmless talk. For some, their disaffection has hardened into something more dark and dangerous. They’re talking about a revolution.

Some simply lace their unscrupulous screeds with loaded language about the fall of the Republic. We have to “rise up” and “take back our country.” Others have been much more explicit.

For example, Chuck Norris, the preeminent black belt and prospective Red Shirt, wrote earlier this month on the conservative blog WorldNetDaily: “How much more will Americans take? When will enough be enough? And, when that time comes, will our leaders finally listen or will history need to record a second American Revolution?”

Representative Michele Bachmann of Minnesota, imagining herself as some sort of Delacroixian Liberty from the Land of the Lakes, urged her fellow Minnesotans to be “armed and dangerous,” ready to bust caps over cap-and-trade, I presume.

And between his tears, Glenn Beck, the self-professed “rodeo clown,” keeps warning of an impending insurrection by saying that he believes that we are heading for “depression” and “revolution” and then gaming out that revolution on his show last month. “Think the unthinkable” he said. Indeed.

All this talk of revolution is revolting, and it hasn’t gone unnoticed.

As the comedian Bill Maher pointed out, strong language can poison weak minds, as it did in the case of Timothy McVeigh. (We sometimes forget that not all dangerous men are trained by Al Qaeda.)

At the same time, the unrelenting meme being pushed by the right that Obama will mount an assault on the Second Amendment has helped fuel the panic buying of firearms. According to the F.B.I., there have been 1.2 million more requests for background checks of potential gun buyers from November to February than there were in the same four months last year. That’s 5.5 million requests altogether over that period; more than the number of people living in Bachmann’s Minnesota.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/04/opinion/04blow.html?_r=1

Sounds like the writer is trying to justify a crackdown on dissent. Fortunately, it's not like anybody still read the NY Times.

ironhorsedriver
04-05-2009, 09:03 AM
Congresswoman Bachman should not be labeled an extremist. She appears to be one of the rational thinking heads in Congress. Norris can be a little extreme, but does care and is getting the word out to the citizens. Glen Beck, well, Glen is Glen. But, he is passionate about his beliefs. He does make some very valid points. And he is no more extreme than a great many Liberal and Socialist commentators.
With Obama refusing Bank paybacks, to maintain control over them. His acceptance of Socialist and Extremist countries. His dumping on our closest allies and his on going march to socialism. We need more people willing to stand up and tell the American people what is happining.

megimoo
04-05-2009, 11:41 AM
Sounds like the writer is trying to justify a crackdown on dissent. Fortunately, it's not like anybody still read the NY Times.
They are starting to fear an uprising of the people and are watching very closely.Their new Acorn style police force isn't ready yet and the don't trust the military so they watch.Any local 'brush fires' of patriotism makes them very nervous and a major local uprising would force their hands !They do expect trouble especially from the South !

lacarnut
04-05-2009, 01:25 PM
They are starting to fear an uprising of the people and are watching very closely.Their new Acorn style police force isn't ready yet and the don't trust the military so they watch.Any local 'brush fires' of patriotism makes them very nervous and a major local uprising would force their hands !They do expect trouble especially from the South !

We are having a tea party on the capital steps in Baton Rouge on the 15th of this month. Never been to a political rally or demonstration. This will be a first for me.

megimoo
04-05-2009, 01:46 PM
We are having a tea party on the capital steps in Baton Rouge on the 15th of this month. Never been to a political rally or demonstration. This will be a first for me.A nice little 'tea party' is one thing .I was thinking along the lines of something that the likes of Sam Adams or James Otis would pull !We have ample historical justification for a meeting of grievance to protest this lopsided government and its unlawful actions.

When the Obama 'Peace Police' are organized we will be no doubt be required to 'put they up' as in give them quarters so as to relieve the economic burden from distraction on Obama's Great New Society !The new 'Quartering Act' of 2009 !

http://www.mass.gov/?pageID=afterminal&L=5&L0=Home&L1=Research+%26+Technology&L2=Research+State+%26+Local+History&L3=Historical+Documents+%26+Papers&L4=Broadsides&sid=Eoaf&b=terminalcontent&f=lib_special_collections_collections_broadsides_b roadsides_prerevolution&csid=Eoaf

THE RESISTANCE
04-05-2009, 04:33 PM
Sam Adams would have Ebeneser MacIntosh and his "fight club "out making lifes miserable and tearing down houses.

A new Revolution? I don't believe that the first one was finished by the way this nation libertys under individual rights by the originators of our liberties believes in life, liberty, and property.
The guilt does not lie only in the Democratic party but also with the Republican Party for they both are driving us down the wrong road . It does not matter who the drivers are and whether we drive down the left side or the right side it is still the wrong road.

These authors of our freedoms , these originators of our libertys, the founders would only be thinking
" Why has it taken so long for the people to rise up, resist the nations direction and the tyrannys of bigger more intrusive tax and taking governments from local , state, and Federal ?"


Though I prefer the path of Franklin. Eventually he was left with no other option but to fully support the actions that lead to the Revolution.

The nations needs a transfusion to awaken that long sleeping gene in its DNA the Revolutionary one.


Treason to our framework is what we are living under from governments. If actions must be taken to defeat it then We must make the most of them.

patriot45
04-05-2009, 06:49 PM
Sam Adams would have Ebeneser MacIntosh and his "fight club "out making lifes miserable and tearing down houses.

A new Revolution? I don't believe that the first one was finished by the way this nation libertys under individual rights by the originators of our liberties believes in life, liberty, and property.
The guilt does not lie only in the Democratic party but also with the Republican Party for they both are driving us down the wrong road . It does not matter who the drivers are and whether we drive down the left side or the right side it is still the wrong road.

These authors of our freedoms , these originators of our libertys, the founders would only be thinking
" Why has it taken so long for the people to rise up, resist the nations direction and the tyrannys of bigger more intrusive tax and taking governments from local , state, and Federal ?"


Though I prefer the path of Franklin. Eventually he was left with no other option but to fully support the actions that lead to the Revolution.

The nations needs a transfusion to awaken that long sleeping gene in its DNA the Revolutionary one.


Treason to our framework is what we are living under from governments. If actions must be taken to defeat it then We must make the most of them.

It would never start without some voices, major voices. Who can anyone rally around? Newt? not good enuf. We need us an Orator to stir emotions!
Maybe not a one man crew, maybe something like Chuck Norriis, combined with Ted Nugent + Charlie DAniels mixed in with an actual politician that can convey our message! But who would that be?

THE RESISTANCE
04-05-2009, 07:34 PM
What is needed is some that have hypnotic powers of speech, sharply speaking clear as a perfect bell.

That can burn your minds, light fires in hearts ,and when they have finished speaking as Patrick Henry, the audience are both spell bound and ready for action.
Changes in terminalogy is essential to say things in a away that is the same as he founders but in terms identified with today or different with the same meaning. It must be a modern attack with the principles intact and potent.

People that have the passion in their believes and resolve and awaken it in the people.

The search must begin now!! Time is grows short.

patriot45
04-05-2009, 07:49 PM
What is needed is some that have hypnotic powers of speech, sharply speaking clear as a perfect bell.

That can burn your minds, light fires in hearts ,and when they have finished speaking as Patrick Henry, the audience are both spell bound and ready for action.
Changes in terminalogy is essential to say things in a away that is the same as he founders but in terms identified with today or different with the same meaning. It must be a modern attack with the principles intact and potent.

People that have the passion in their believes and resolve and awaken it in the people.

The search must begin now!! Time is grows short.

C'mon mouth, tell us who we should fall behind. You have a pretty good rhetoric! You wanna lead?

wilbur
04-05-2009, 08:08 PM
I have noticed the phenomenon this writer talks about... not sure what to make of it.

I was really thinking thoughts like it back during the primaries... when I saw the crop of republican candidates.. thought it really will eventually come down to having to string up some congressman before things get better. But I think our current government is preferable to putting the hannity-limbaugh-coulter republicans in charge.... so they will not get any aid from me in their cries for revolution... theyll just fuck it up worse.

patriot45
04-05-2009, 08:13 PM
I have noticed the phenomenon this writer talks about... not sure what to make of it.

I was really thinking thoughts like it back during the primaries... when I saw the crop of republican candidates.. thought it really will eventually come down to having to string up some congressman before things get better. But I think our current government is preferable to putting the hannity-limbaugh-coulter republicans in charge.... so they will not get any aid from me in their cries for revolution... theyll just fuck it up worse.


hannity-limbaugh-coulter , I love it ! You have no wish to try to get this country back on track, do you? Those three you mentioned, happen to believe in the constitution, Uh, they way our Republic was meant to be.

wilbur
04-05-2009, 08:18 PM
, I love it ! You have no wish to try to get this country back on track, do you? Those three you mentioned, happen to believe in the constitution, Uh, they way our Republic was meant to be.

One can be insane, filled with bad ideas, and generally wretched and also believe in the constitution.

THE RESISTANCE
04-05-2009, 09:52 PM
C'mon mouth, tell us who we should fall behind. You have a pretty good rhetoric! You wanna lead?



Mouth?

No, it would not be me. No one strikes me at the moment. I don't listen much to many. My beliefs are deep rooted and does not need fertilizing to thrive.

But if you have noticed I am practicing what I preach by expanding Founder to "the originators of our liberty "and "the authors of our freedoms " to stay away fom the common highly used term itself.

I like Founders but stopping peoples thought train sometimes has the pleasant surprise of making them think.

THE RESISTANCE
04-05-2009, 09:57 PM
One can be insane, filled with bad ideas, and generally wretched and also believe in the constitution.


Supreme Court.

patriot45
04-05-2009, 10:06 PM
Mouth?

No, it would not be me. No one strikes me at the moment. I don't listen much to many. My beliefs are deep rooted and does not need fertilizing to thrive.

But if you have noticed I am practicing what I preach by expanding Founder to "the originators of our liberty "and "the authors of our freedoms " to stay away fom the common highly used term itself.

I like Founders but stopping peoples thought train sometimes has the pleasant surprise of making them think.

No one strikes any of us at this moment. You do realize that someone has to step up and we have to like them enuf to back them. Who will it be!?!

megimoo
04-05-2009, 10:44 PM
One can be insane, filled with bad ideas, and generally wretched and also believe in the constitution.Do you approve of the direction Obama is taking America ?Does the destruction of the private sector ,our Banking and Insurance systems bother you or do you feel that they are just greedy capitalists and deserve it ?

Do you feel that Obama and his Congress is going in the correct direction by printing more money even when its value is repidly approaching zero.He seems bent on undoing all of the,by liberal standards, hateful things that Bush established during his presidency .

He has moved very quickly to remake America into a socialists wonderland second only to the E.U.'s Europe and the U.K. but where will it end ? You may well be correct, it may require the lynching of several in the Congress to put an stop to this fiscal madness !

wilbur
04-06-2009, 12:32 AM
Do you approve of the direction Obama is taking America ?Does the destruction of the private sector ,our Banking and Insurance systems bother you or do you feel that they are just greedy capitalists and deserve it ?


No, not really... but where was the cry for revolution when Bush was doing the same things, bailouts and all? The worst he got was complete support accompanied by a little reluctant criticism... the vast majority of you were licking his boots. Obama doesnt appear to be intent on raping science like Bush was though... which is a good silver lining.



Do you feel that Obama and his Congress is going in the correct direction by printing more money even when its value is repidly approaching zero.He seems bent on undoing all of the,by liberal standards, hateful things that Bush established during his presidency .

He has moved very quickly to remake America into a socialists wonderland second only to the E.U.'s Europe and the U.K. but where will it end ? You may well be correct, it may require the lynching of several in the Congress to put an stop to this fiscal madness !

Its going that way yes... as it was for 8 years under Bush.... and had McCain won, he'd be doing the same shit. But he has an R in front of his name, so it would be OK.

lacarnut
04-06-2009, 12:58 AM
No, not really... but where was the cry for revolution when Bush was doing the same things, bailouts and all? The worst he got was complete support accompanied by a little reluctant criticism... the vast majority of you were licking his boots. Obama doesnt appear to be intent on raping science like Bush was though... which is a good silver lining.



Its going that way yes... as it was for 8 years under Bush.... and had McCain won, he'd be doing the same shit. But he has an R in front of his name, so it would be OK.

Just because Bush screwed the pooch on bailout and deficit spending does not mean conservatives were in favor of it. If you think so, you need to quit taking those stupid pills.

By not raping science, you mean Obama is going to kneel down to the UN wishes of paying billions for global warming which will be a waste of money. The price tag on Carbon credits wil put American business at a further disadvantage.

In 2 years, your smug ass might be wishing McCain had won. We will see how bad the Magic Negro screws things up.

megimoo
04-06-2009, 01:23 AM
Just because Bush screwed the pooch on bailout and deficit spending does not mean conservatives were in favor of it. If you think so, you need to quit taking those stupid pills.

By not raping science, you mean Obama is going to kneel down to the UN wishes of paying billions for global warming which will be a waste of money. The price tag on Carbon credits wil put American business at a further disadvantage.

In 2 years, your smug ass might be wishing McCain had won. We will see how bad the Magic Negro screws things up.
With Wilbur the thing is the party is everything and screw America !If it's in any way conservative his knee starts to jerk to the left .For Wilbur everything is political and the enemy is anything none Progressive aka Socialism leading to a different America made in the image and likeness of the UN/EU !

Old America is a hateful place to the Liberal/Socialist with its pseudo religious Constitution and Capitalistic economy .People owning their own guns and the concept of protecting their property and family's.

They insist on execution for those poor unfortunates who kill others in cold blood when the correct course is to understand and forgive them so they can readjust their lives .And all of those uneducated/
undereducated ,unwashed creatures having baby's one after the other.

They insist on having a standing army and weapons of mass destruction to defend their place in history and they even fight wars !No this place America must change into our image of what it should be and nothing will ever satisfy me until my will in this matter is realized !

lacarnut
04-06-2009, 11:26 AM
With Wilbur the thing is the party is everything and screw America !If it's in any way conservative his knee starts to jerk to the left .For Wilbur everything is political and the enemy is anything none Progressive aka Socialism leading to a different America made in the image and likeness of the UN/EU !

Old America is a hateful place to the Liberal/Socialist with its pseudo religious Constitution and Capitalistic economy .People owning their own guns and the concept of protecting their property and family's.

They insist on execution for those poor unfortunates who kill others in cold blood when the correct course is to understand and forgive them so they can readjust their lives .And all of those uneducated/
undereducated ,unwashed creatures having baby's one after the other.

They insist on having a standing army and weapons of mass destruction to defend their place in history and they even fight wars !No this place America must change into our image of what it should be and nothing will ever satisfy me until my will in this matter is realized !

A brilliant conclusion

Odysseus
04-06-2009, 12:59 PM
I have noticed the phenomenon this writer talks about... not sure what to make of it.
I was really thinking thoughts like it back during the primaries... when I saw the crop of republican candidates.. thought it really will eventually come down to having to string up some congressman before things get better. But I think our current government is preferable to putting the hannity-limbaugh-coulter republicans in charge.... so they will not get any aid from me in their cries for revolution... theyll just fuck it up worse.
Let me see if I understand this: You claim to be a libertarian, but you find Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter more objectionable than the current Democratic Party leadership? If Rush, Sean and Ann have their way, you'd see an explosion of economic liberty and a slight curtailment of some of the more egregious personal indulgences that characterise the lives of most people. Abortion would be illegal in most (but not all) cases, while speech would be a lot freer (Talk radio tends to support the right to talk). Tell me, exactly why do you find Rush, Sean and Ann so objectionable?

No, not really... but where was the cry for revolution when Bush was doing the same things, bailouts and all? The worst he got was complete support accompanied by a little reluctant criticism... the vast majority of you were licking his boots. Obama doesnt appear to be intent on raping science like Bush was though... which is a good silver lining.
I guess you must have slept through the debates on Comprehensive Immigration Reform, Medicaid expansion, No Child Left Behind, etc., but you didn't need to turn to conservative media to get their/our positions, since the liberals were quite content to attack him from the left. In the areas where we did support him, the Conflict Formerly Known as the Global War on Terror, or CFKGWOT, the expansion of our missile defense capabilities and a new seriousness in engaging the rest of the world, we have vocally supported him, although some here have opposed him on the same things, based on a different view of foreign policy and US interests. As for "raping science," care to back that up with some facts, or is the repetition of an idiotic talking point as deep as you're willing to go? Bush's stance on embrionic stem cell research was based on some extremely serious thought, not simply about the possible benefits of the research, but also about the potential costs to our view of human life and the ethical constraints on science. If you actually read his speech on the subject you will find his thought process to contain far more depth than Obama's string of talking points and snide attacks in which he reversed the policy.

Its going that way yes... as it was for 8 years under Bush.... and had McCain won, he'd be doing the same shit. But he has an R in front of his name, so it would be OK.
Unlikely. McCain opposed most of the stimulus that Obama has been forcing down our throats, he voted against Obama's budget, and can you seriously imagine McCain apologizing to Europe for not recognizing their "leadership" or kowtowing to the Iranians, as Obama did? Can you picture McCain presenting Gordon Brown with a DVD set, or closing Gitmo without any plan in place? Can you see him appointing tax cheats throughout his cabinet and using the economic crisis to advance his agenda? I had profound disagreements with McCain, but I always knew that, while I might disagree with his convictions in a given area, I would never doubt that he was acting on those convictions, rather than expediency or out of a devious desire to remake America in his image. Can you honestly say the same about Obama?

noonwitch
04-06-2009, 01:24 PM
I think the Chuck Norris call to a literal revolution is a little scary. There are people who will take it seriously, and if they act on it, they have to be stopped. Chuck has the first amendment right to say whatever he wants, however. Unlike Bill Maher, I blame those people who would act on the message in an illegal and violent manner, not Chuck (unless he's leading the cavalry on a charge on Washington or taking action in some other illegal manner). Timothy McVeigh did what he did because he wanted to do it, not because he listened to Rush Limbaugh on the radio. There might be other reasons involved, like his experiences in the Gulf War or childhood issues, but ultimately, he didn't blow up a building because he got hateful listening to right-wing radio or reading The Turner Diaries.

I always did wonder if McVeigh was exposed to any chemical warfare in the Gulf War, as the media was filled with reports of Saddam using it against american troops. I'd be especially curious if he was exposed to some kind of nerve agent that affected his brain or central nervous system. Not that that has anything to do with my point here, but I did always wonder about it.

I'm not a fan of Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity, but they have the right to free expression like any other american. If adult people claim to act because of the messages they got from someone on tv, they're just avoiding responsibility for their own actions.

lacarnut
04-06-2009, 02:36 PM
I think the Chuck Norris call to a literal revolution is a little scary. There are people who will take it seriously, and if they act on it, they have to be stopped. Chuck has the first amendment right to say whatever he wants, however. .

It could be that Chuck Norris knows more about current events than a liberal like you. For example, Obama or members of his organization have stated they are open to a new world order, a single currency, spending billions on aid to foreign countries. Obama wants tighter gun control. Obama wants nation health care. Obama wants to tell CEO's and every company in the US how much pay all employees should receive from the top dog down to the janitor.

Do you know why AIG was too big to fail. It was because that company insures Congressional pensions. Do you know that UBS was charged and fined almost 800 millions dollars for cheating the US Treasury. Did you know that Swiss Bank received $5 billion in bailout/Tarp money. So they paid us back for cheating with the money you and I gave them. That is one hell of a bad deal for us.

Do you know that a French bank got $12 billion and the Germans got $5 billions. Even an idiot can understand why GS, BOA, etc. refused to tell Congress where the bailout money went. Oh, just another tidbit that you probably do not know is that rather than the Feds buying mortgages with the bailout money, they bought stock. That was $78 billion mistake down a rat hole because of the drop in stock prices.

Do you understand that when you give too much power to the federal government, they will abuse it , spend money unwisely and the fat cats will make a ton of money. The stress test is a good example of how the Feds are trying to fool the public. The Banks that they want to stay open will; they banks that they do not will be closed. This is another sham. These clowns come up with a new one on a daily basis.

I do not want to live in a country where some bureaucrat is going to tell me how much money I can make, can tell me what type of gun I can have, can tell me what type of car I can drive, can tell me what doctor I can go to, can tell me that I am being ruled by the UN, can tell me we are going to tear up the Constitution, can tell me that my rights come from a bunch of liberal idiots. It could be that when all of this shit is forced down our throats and we lose all our God given rights and our present Constitutional rights, it will be time to follow a leader like Chuck.

Last Samurai
04-08-2009, 12:52 AM
AIG passed on money received from us taxpayers to "pay off" a lot of the "credit swaps" they were on the hook for to the tune of in excess of one Trillion dollars. That some of this money ended up in foreign banks should not be surprising.

A newsweek article I recently read indicated that the total "default" value of existing "credit swaps" in mid '07 was 44 Trillion Dollars. I found that figure astonishing, to say the least. Considering that the entire mortgage market was less than 8 Trillion and the entire market cap for the stock market was around 22 Trillion.

All this credit insurance to just to hedge and share the risk of providing credit to less than creditworthy individuals at Congressional insistance and Government Policy, going back some thirty years.

We have finally reaped what we have sown here.....

"Credit, one man's trust in another man." If we cannot "trust" our fellow humans to repay their just debts or not to beseech the Congress to grant them exception from same...... We, as a Nation, are more bankrupt than just financially.

LS

Last Samurai
04-08-2009, 01:02 AM
Revolution? No, not I.

I fully ascribe to the old adage that a Nation gets exactly the Government it deserves. Since our present "Obamanation" was duly elected by a majority of the voting members of our society, in accordance with our laws (and if you didn't vote, shame on you) and he won easily.

That he is going in the direction that was foretold by some of us during the campaign apparently did nothing to deter nor change the minds of the voters.

Ergo, we have gotten exactly what the majority has voted for. It's a bit too late for crying over spilled milk. It's just too bad that this once fine Country is going to be much the worse for the wear because of that election decision. (It is also a fine example of voters voting with their hearts instead of their heads.) Important decisions should never be decided by emotion, only logic and considered thinking. At a paucity in our present society, I submit.

We got what we deserved. Perhaps a lesson learned here. We shall see come mid terms.

LS

megimoo
04-08-2009, 01:14 AM
Revolution? No, not I.

I fully ascribe to the old adage that a Nation gets exactly the Government it deserves. Since our present "Obamanation" was duly elected by a majority of the voting members of our society, in accordance with our laws (and if you didn't vote, shame on you) and he won easily.

That he is going in the direction that was foretold by some of us during the campaign apparently did nothing to deter nor change the minds of the voters.

Ergo, we have gotten exactly what the majority has voted for. It's a bit too late for crying over spilled milk. It's just too bad that this once fine Country is going to be much the worse for the wear because of that election decision. (It is also a fine example of voters voting with their hearts instead of their heads.) Important decisions should never be decided by emotion, only logic and considered thinking. At a paucity in our present society, I submit.

We got what we deserved. Perhaps a lesson learned here. We shall see come mid terms.

LS"(It is also a fine example of voters voting with their hearts instead of their heads.) "So are you saying that it was that damn womans vote ?

Last Samurai
04-08-2009, 08:22 AM
I never said that, nor did I allude to it. I saw plenty of "OH BAH MAH" mantra muttering mindless males at pre election "rallies" to give the lie to that idea.

Do not presume to put words in my posts. While relatively new to this forum, I have been around others for quite some time. I try to post exactly what I mean and in the best mannor I can muster to insure complete understanding by readers.

If, perchance, you posted that in jest.... I apologise for "getting on your case". :p

LS

THE RESISTANCE
04-11-2009, 09:23 PM
One of the biggest problems to getting things done on what we need is so many organizations all over the internet everywhere like bleeders to what needs to be done.

All I see is different websites different forums yakking away. This plays right into government, those philosophys that want to strengthen the control of government over us from the local ones, to the state ones, to the Federal. I see that it is not just one party but it is both. Does anybody even know what the Founders even believed in? The Constitution is interrupted wrongly on certain issues by both liberals and conservatives.

The governments of the three freedom takers pass bill after bill ,ordinances, and laws that are unconstitutional in the founders view. Always taking and taxing our lifes, our liberty , and our property. There can be little doubt. For the good of society is the common theme by the takings by government tyrannys of both partys.

We have moved far beyond what is needed for society to to where it is just people wanting to control other people taking the property rights of, interfereing with their lifes and their libertys using society as the excuse and government as the instrument.
Not to mention the cluelessness on our country first and its people and not other nations and their people first.
There are very intelligent well educated people on this forum and a thousaand more and in organizations. So. What does it do to be so splintered? None.

Until there is a combination of all Constitutional believing websites , organizations, the people of them into one voice then everyone of them will be likke mice squeeking in the dark.

All must combine, ALL THESE PIECES OF A PUZZLE MUST FIT THEIRSELVES TOGETHER, to have the VOICE OF A LION!!!!!!!

When can this start, yesterday is not to soon.



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