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megimoo
04-08-2009, 09:13 AM
Ninety-Two Years and Counting

Last Friday, a Fox New panel kicked around the matter of President Obama's remarks at the G-20 meeting where he had characterized the U.S. attitude toward Europe as "arrogant," dismissive," and "derisive." The United States, its President had said, was guilty of a "failure to appreciate Europe's leading role," in world affairs.

This was too much for Charles Krauthammer. In what he described as "a turn of phrase I'm sure I will regret," Krauthammer said impatiently that Europe had been "sucking on the [American] teat for 60 years."

The phrase, actually, was entirely apt. But Krauthammer was short by almost 32 years.

On Good Friday, April 6, 1917, Congress gave President Woodrow Wilson the declaration of war on Germany he had requested four days earlier. It was, in the words of military historian J.F.C. Fuller, "the most fateful day in European history since Varus lost his legions."

For nearly three years, the Europeans had been busily slaughtering one another in battles like the Somme where the British lost nearly 20,000 killed in one day and Verdun where approximately 400,000 Frenchmen and 300,000 Germans were casualties in 11 months of inconclusive fighting. Europe was exhausted, bled white, and broke. But unable, or unwilling, to find a way out of history's most catastrophic war. A war whose origins John Keegan has charitably called "mysterious." A better word for the conflict would be "pointless."

Still, the United States joined in; at a cost of more than 250,000 killed and wounded. Europeans tended to downplay the military contribution of the United States while a number of Americans believed that without their country's help, the Allies wouldn't have won the war. Winston Churchill agreed, though that did not mean he considered this a good and desirable outcome.

"After begging Roosevelt to send men,ships and planes to save Britain the bastard Churchill says this,"America should have minded her own business and stayed out of the World War," !"

"America should have minded her own business and stayed out of the World War," he told an American newspaper editor. "If you hadn't entered the war the Allies would have made peace with Germany in the Spring of 1917. Had we made peace then there would have been no collapse in Russia followed by Communism, no breakdown in Italy followed by Fascism, and Germany would not have signed the Versailles Treaty, which…enthroned Nazism in Germany."

We got the Treaty wrong, too. At least according to John Maynard Keynes who wrote to a friend that America "had a chance of taking a large, or at least humane view of the world, but unhesitatingly refused it."

So, wrong in war; wrong in peace. Meanwhile, the United States helped get Europe back on its feet and kept thousands of civilians from starving. Herbert Hoover had a large hand in this effort.

Then, the United States went home and Europe went back to its old habits. According to the standard texts, American isolationism deserves a share of the blame for the rise of Hitler and, then, for World War II. Still, it is true that Hitler never made much of a secret of his intentions and that France had more tanks than he did, right up until the time he invaded and crushed her in about six weeks time.

The United States eventually got into that war, too. And this time, Winston Churchill was not so churlish about it. "To have the United States at our side was to me the greatest joy," he wrote, describing his reaction to news of the attack on Pearl Harbor. "Now at this very moment I knew the United States was in the war, up to the neck and in to the death. So we had won after all! Hitler's fate was sealed. Mussolini's fate was sealed. As for the Japanese, they would be ground to powder."

The United States sent millions of men and all manner of materiel across the Atlantic and deferred with vast politeness, as we still do, to the vanity of the British and the French. (We didn't have to defer to the Germans; at that time, our relations with them were exceedingly straightforward.)

De Gaulle threw tantrums to get his way and Eisenhower was treated as some kind of amiable dunce by the Brits who believed they knew so very much more about war than the Yanks who, after all, had never lost 20,000 men in a single day without gaining any ground to show for it. They pushed for their man, Montgomery, whose great war-winning offensive failed in Holland in part because he was slow. At one point, his columns stopped for tea.

Meanwhile, the uncouth American fire-eater Patton, who would have advanced and won, was held back and deprived of supplies.

So that war ended and this time we stuck around. We put some Germans on trial and hanged them. Also helped create NATO. Rebuilt Europe through the Marshall Plan. Sustained Berlin with an airlift that no other nation in the world had the capacity -- not to mention the guts -- to bring off.

Europe was not overrun by Russian tanks. So France, under De Gaulle, pulled out of NATO as a gesture of gratitude.
http://spectator.org/archives/2009/04/08/ninety-two-years-and-counting
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ReaganForRus
04-08-2009, 03:07 PM
As a student of history, the USA still defends Europe. The 50,000 troops in Germany are a trip wire, nothing more. They are there so the Russian bear won't overrun western Europe, period. Couple that with the B-52 runs over the Northern route, the Southern route, and the Pacific route on a 24 hour, 365 day routine and the nuclear ICBM shield, Europe was able to rebuild with the help of the United States.

What is our reward?

European nations cut their defense budgets and increase social spending. We're viewed as an "imperialistic" power. The world's "policeman".

What would Europe's reaction be if we said, "Okay, you're right, we don't need to be here. We're going to withdraw all of our armed forces and withdraw from NATO. Good bye, and Good Luck!"

London, Paris, Berlin, Rome would be out in force screaming for us to remain.......

"Think of the economic impact of your withdrawal would be on the German economy!" Merkel would scream.

"Trust the Germans and the French to defend the continent?..........Never!!!" PM Brown would scream.

"France will never accept English domination!............Sarkozy would scream,

and the UN would demand the US remain and foot the bill for all of it's "arrogance" in thinking that the US
should "blame" Europe for it's security problems........

So it goes.:mad:



Notice Rome didn't call...........they were too busy drinking and sunning themselves:D

Constitutionally Speaking
04-08-2009, 04:57 PM
As a student of history, the USA still defends Europe. The 50,000 troops in Germany are a trip wire, nothing more. They are there so the Russian bear won't overrun western Europe, period. Couple that with the B-52 runs over the Northern route, the Southern route, and the Pacific route on a 24 hour, 365 day routine and the nuclear ICBM shield, Europe was able to rebuild with the help of the United States.

What is our reward?

European nations cut their defense budgets and increase social spending. We're viewed as an "imperialistic" power. The world's "policeman".

What would Europe's reaction be if we said, "Okay, you're right, we don't need to be here. We're going to withdraw all of our armed forces and withdraw from NATO. Good bye, and Good Luck!"

London, Paris, Berlin, Rome would be out in force screaming for us to remain.......

"Think of the economic impact of your withdrawal would be on the German economy!" Merkel would scream.

"Trust the Germans and the French to defend the continent?..........Never!!!" PM Brown would scream.

"France will never accept English domination!............Sarkosy would scream,

and the UN would demand the US remain and foot the bill for all of it's "arrogance" in thinking that the US
should "blame" Europe for it's security problems........

So it goes.:mad:



Notice Rome didn't call...........they were too busy drinking and sunning themselves:D



Many Europeans have been lulled to sleep by the security we have pretty much guaranteed them.

Lars1701a
04-08-2009, 08:32 PM
Why dont gator complain about the money we've spent in Europe over the last 60 years? I bets its TONS more then Israel How many solders and airmen have died in training accidents? Thats ok in his book? I wonder why.....:rolleyes:

PoliCon
04-08-2009, 10:24 PM
Why dont gator complain about the money we've spent in Europe over the last 60 years? I bets its TONS more then Israel How many solders and airmen have died in training accidents? Thats ok in his book? I wonder why.....:rolleyes:

That's easy - they're not joooos! It's not about principle with him. It's about being a racist pile of monkey shit. :rolleyes:

djones520
04-09-2009, 11:53 AM
I've always liked Charles Krauthammer. He always looks and sounds like he's doped out of his head when he's talking, but he's a very intelligent person, and isn't afraid to say on national television what needs to be said.

Kudo's to him for this.

PoliCon
04-09-2009, 11:58 AM
I've always liked Charles Krauthammer. He always looks and sounds like he's doped out of his head when he's talking, but he's a very intelligent person, and isn't afraid to say on national television what needs to be said.

Kudo's to him for this.

I always love him when he's on Special Report. :) I'm always amused that when he talks - everyone else shuts up and listens. The other'll talk all over each other - but not over him. And generally - I agree with him.

megimoo
04-09-2009, 02:43 PM
Why dont gator complain about the money we've spent in Europe over the last 60 years? I bets its TONS more then Israel How many solders and airmen have died in training accidents? Thats ok in his book? I wonder why.....:rolleyes:AGTR-5.