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Sonnabend
04-12-2009, 05:56 PM
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25326299-38198,00.html

...for being a paedophile.

Obama's brother refused visa to UK'

From correspondents in London
April 13, 2009 03:52am

US President Barack Obama's half-brother has been denied a visa to come back to Britain after he earlier gave a false name to police when accused of an attempted sexual assault, a British newspaper reports.

A database showed that British police arrested Samson Obama, who lives in Kenya, last November after he allegedly tried to sexually assault a young girl, the News of the World said.

Mr Obama gave officers a false identity at the time of his arrest, claiming to be Henry Aloo, the report said. He was fingerprinted but not charged and left Britain. He tried to enter Britain again to visit relatives while on his way to President Obama's inauguration in January but immigration officials barred him, the News of the World said.

Rockntractor
04-12-2009, 06:47 PM
Completely irrelevant President Obamma has no control over his brother. And should not be criticized for this in any way.

aka:PBS
04-12-2009, 07:51 PM
Completely irrelevant President Obamma has no control over his brother. And should not be criticized for this in any way.

And what if the shoe was on the other foot?: *insert bush in place of obama*. he would had been crucified all to hell!!

Odysseus
04-12-2009, 08:03 PM
Completely irrelevant President Obamma has no control over his brother. And should not be criticized for this in any way.
Okay, then Bristol Palin, the Bush twins, Patti Davis, Dick Cheney's daughter and any other Republican relative should be off limits as well, yet somehow, that doesn't happen, now does it?

And what if the shoe was on the other foot?: *insert bush in place of obama*. he would had been crucified all to hell!!
Yep. Especially if the scandal involved something as apalling as pedophilia. Why is it that when Bristol Palin and her fiance break up, it's a source of major news, but when Joe Biden's daughter is caught snorting coke on video, it's a non-story? Why is Al Gore's soin's DUI/wreckless driving not news, but the Bush girls' partying is? I already know the answer, but the media won't even ask the questions.

aka:PBS
04-12-2009, 08:34 PM
Okay, then Bristol Palin, the Bush twins, Patti Davis, Dick Cheney's daughter and any other Republican relative should be off limits as well, yet somehow, that doesn't happen, now does it?

Yep. Especially if the scandal involved something as apalling as pedophilia. Why is it that when Bristol Palin and her fiance break up, it's a source of major news, but when Joe Biden's daughter is caught snorting coke on video, it's a non-story? Why is Al Gore's soin's DUI/wreckless driving not news, but the Bush girls' partying is? I already know the answer, but the media won't even ask the questions.

well you see........people like tractorboy hold obama to a much higher level. HE is the chosen one...he is the one that will lead them all to the land of sunshine and lollipops

ralph wiggum
04-12-2009, 08:56 PM
well you see........people like tractorboy hold obama to a much higher level. HE is the chosen one...he is the one that will lead them all to the land of sunshine and lollipops

Don't forget the ponies! :D

Rockntractor
04-12-2009, 09:09 PM
I can't think of anything barack could do that would give me a lower opinion of him than i allready have let alone his brother.

PoliCon
04-13-2009, 01:10 AM
Completely irrelevant President Obamma has no control over his brother. And should not be criticized for this in any way.


And what if the shoe was on the other foot?: *insert bush in place of obama*. he would had been crucified all to hell!!

I do remember a shit storm in the press over one of the twins going on a boozer . . . .But I agree. Barry has no control over his brother. Hell - Barry can't even be bothered to send the man a buck or two . . . .:rolleyes:

Gingersnap
04-13-2009, 09:55 AM
Obama has a boatload of shirttail relatives all over the world. He's not responsible for his parents' various couplings and the offspring those events produced.

Lars1701a
04-13-2009, 09:59 AM
Obama has a boatload of shirttail relatives all over the world. He's not responsible for his parents' various couplings and the offspring those events produced.

How did we come to this? How did this country elect a man with a family such as this?:confused::rolleyes:

tacitus
04-13-2009, 10:06 AM
Completely irrelevant President Obamma has no control over his brother. And should not be criticized for this in any way.


Screw the magic negro and his brother.

FlaGator
04-13-2009, 11:07 AM
Completely irrelevant President Obamma has no control over his brother. And should not be criticized for this in any way.

Where were you when Bush was being criticized form the suspected actions and behavior of his family? Don't be a hypocrite and use different rules for different groups.

Rockntractor
04-13-2009, 11:27 AM
Where were you when Bush was being criticized form the suspected actions and behavior of his family? Don't be a hypocrite and use different rules for different groups.

In the same position, saying it was irrelevant

Rockntractor
04-13-2009, 11:37 AM
Tactics like this against any public figure are irrelevant and deserve no further comment. The only possible exception would be if the public figure were a direct cause of the behavior.

PoliCon
04-13-2009, 12:28 PM
Tactics like this against any public figure are irrelevant and deserve no further comment. The only possible exception would be if the public figure were a direct cause of the behavior.

or unless the public figure covered for the behavior or enabled the behavior.

Rockntractor
04-13-2009, 12:42 PM
or unless the public figure covered for the behavior or enabled the behavior.
I would agree with that. I have to admit i felt a certain private joy when this story came out.I quickly remembered that i have a brother who has shamed my family and i would hate to be blamed for his behavior.

FlaGator
04-13-2009, 01:47 PM
In the same position, saying it was irrelevant

I would like to see some proof of that... Forgive me if I don't take your word for it.

noonwitch
04-13-2009, 01:51 PM
Where were you when Bush was being criticized form the suspected actions and behavior of his family? Don't be a hypocrite and use different rules for different groups.



It depends on which actions you are talking about. I think it's fair to point out Bush's family's business connections to the bin Laden family, whether through Arbesto Oil or through the Carlysle group. I don't think it's fair to blame him because his brother was messing around with prostitutes in Thailand, or whatever country it was.


It's fair to point out that Bristol Palin got pregnant at age 17, when her mother supports abstinence only sex education in schools. It's a finer line, though, because, again, it's not really fair to attack Bristol herself.

It's not fair to show pictures of the Bush twins drinking alcohol when they were under 21 and not report on Gore's kids partying-wasn't his daughter arrested for possession of marijuana at one point?

The media pretty much left Chelsea Clinton alone during her father's presidency, but she was fairly young when he first came to office. She also was a pretty good kid during those years, contrary to all those reports on Free Republic about her "secret abortion".

As far as Patti Davis and Mary Cheney go-Davis sought publicity during her father's presidency. She openly campaigned against him at one point. She wrote a thinly veiled novel about his time as governor of CA. She sought publicity every step of the way, and the media indulged her.

Mary Cheney's situation is different. She was somewhat a public figure in her dad's campaign, and somewhat a private person. As I am not prejudiced against gays, I don't see that there has really been any negative coverage of her, because I don't consider a story about her sexual orientation to be derogatory. There were just some in the media who pointed out that the Cheneys were somewhat hypocritical on the issue-being aligned with anti-gay organizations in a political sense, but being very open toward their own daughter's relationship is contradictory. Again, I don't see that the coverage made Mary Cheney look bad, just gay.


It's not fair to pick on Obama's children, though, because they are so young. Same with Joe Biden's little grandkids, and Sarah Palin's kids, especially the really young ones like the baby and Piper (who is so adorable).

Odysseus
04-13-2009, 03:35 PM
Obama has a boatload of shirttail relatives all over the world. He's not responsible for his parents' various couplings and the offspring those events produced.
I hate to put myself in the position of saying that family defines the man (my family on my mother's side are NY liberals, on my father's side, orthodox Jews whose politics are subordinated to messianic zeal), but how you react to that family tells us more about your character than what they do. I'm more interested in how Obama reacts to this story than the pedophilia of the relative. If he does what he always seems to with bad news, which is ignore it with the aid of a sycophantic press, then we know that it's business as usual for him. A public repudiation and denunciation of his half-brother would take moral courage, which is why I won't hold my breath.


It depends on which actions you are talking about. I think it's fair to point out Bush's family's business connections to the bin Laden family, whether through Arbesto Oil or through the Carlysle group. I don't think it's fair to blame him because his brother was messing around with prostitutes in Thailand, or whatever country it was.

It's fair to point out that Bristol Palin got pregnant at age 17, when her mother supports abstinence only sex education in schools. It's a finer line, though, because, again, it's not really fair to attack Bristol herself.

It's not fair to show pictures of the Bush twins drinking alcohol when they were under 21 and not report on Gore's kids partying-wasn't his daughter arrested for possession of marijuana at one point?

The media pretty much left Chelsea Clinton alone during her father's presidency, but she was fairly young when he first came to office. She also was a pretty good kid during those years, contrary to all those reports on Free Republic about her "secret abortion".

As far as Patti Davis and Mary Cheney go-Davis sought publicity during her father's presidency. She openly campaigned against him at one point. She wrote a thinly veiled novel about his time as governor of CA. She sought publicity every step of the way, and the media indulged her.

Mary Cheney's situation is different. She was somewhat a public figure in her dad's campaign, and somewhat a private person. As I am not prejudiced against gays, I don't see that there has really been any negative coverage of her, because I don't consider a story about her sexual orientation to be derogatory. There were just some in the media who pointed out that the Cheneys were somewhat hypocritical on the issue-being aligned with anti-gay organizations in a political sense, but being very open toward their own daughter's relationship is contradictory. Again, I don't see that the coverage made Mary Cheney look bad, just gay. .
The coverage wasn't meant to make Mary Cheney look bad, it was designed to paint her dad as a hypocrite. Just as the attacks on Bristol Palin and the rest of the family were meant to make Sarah Palin look bad. It's not about the behavior, it's about advancing the agenda. Thus, Biden's, Gore's and a host of Kennedy offspring get free rides, while the children of Republicans are painted with bright red bullseyes. That's why Patti Davis was aided and abetted by the media in her quest to embarass her father, while Roger Clinton and Hugh Rodham were studiously ignored, even when their conduct went beyond the bounds of the law.

It's not fair to pick on Obama's children, though, because they are so young. Same with Joe Biden's little grandkids, and Sarah Palin's kids, especially the really young ones like the baby and Piper (who is so adorable).
And yet, the media did attack Palin's kids. The moment during the RNC convention when Piper wet her hand and slicked back the baby's hair was actually attacked by some leftist writers who claim that it was staged. The left has no shame and no scruples when it comes to attacking their opponents.

noonwitch
04-13-2009, 03:57 PM
And yet, the media did attack Palin's kids. The moment during the RNC convention when Piper wet her hand and slicked back the baby's hair was actually attacked by some leftist writers who claim that it was staged. The left has no shame and no scruples when it comes to attacking their opponents.



That was so wrong of them, too. If I were the camera guy, I would have honed in on Piper's hug of John McCain at the convention, when the families were all up on the stage with the candidates. It was so sweet-everyone was giving those one-armed political hugs, and Piper threw her arms around McCain like he was her grandpa. The fact that I remember it several months later, and I'm a lib says something about the moment.


I did start to wonder by convention time how little kids like Piper or like Sacha Obama handle the spotlight. It can't be easy-even if Sacha is getting the good side of the press coverage at this point, if she sees how the media treated Piper, well, a smart kid would start to wonder when they are going to turn on her.


My hatred of the media is not about politics, it's about their sensationalism and about the way they treat children in general. I'll never forget CNN's coverage of the Columbine shootings-they were sticking microphones in those traumatized kids' faces as soon as the police escorted them out of the building! That's when I realized that none of them have any sense of decency anymore.

Sonnabend
04-13-2009, 05:16 PM
It's fair to point out that Bristol Palin got pregnant at age 17, when her mother supports abstinence only sex education in schools. It's a finer line, though, because, again, it's not really fair to attack Bristol herself.

That's a lie .She does not support abstinence only and never has.


In a 2006 debate she stated she thought that it was good to teach kids about contraception in school since they might not here about birth control at home

She favours debate, she favours contraception and she is pro life.

Do us all a favour and DON'T bring the DUmmy talking points over here...they are sickening enough on DU where Sarah and her family were mercilessly hounded by the DUmmies.

Gingersnap
04-13-2009, 05:38 PM
It doesn't matter whether Palin supports comprehensive sex ed, abstinence-only sex ed, or the Kama Sutra For Kiddies - she can't control her daughter's sex life.

I'd be happy enough if we didn't have to hear about the private lives of any politician's relations.

PoliCon
04-14-2009, 05:26 PM
It doesn't matter whether Palin supports comprehensive sex ed, abstinence-only sex ed, or the Kama Sutra For Kiddies - she can't control her daughter's sex life.

I'd be happy enough if we didn't have to hear about the private lives of any politician's relations.

yup. But you have to admit that it's almost funny that when the public figure in question is a conservative - the press is all over it and it's a big story that everyone should hear. When the public figure is a leftist - well that's another story. :rolleyes: MEDIA BIAS - gotta love it. :rolleyes: