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patriot45
04-21-2009, 10:45 AM
Obama and the media are liars? Say it ain't so. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/20/AR2009042002818.html)

As Cheney says, why not now declassify memos showing how much we hard info we got from these programs that did not work!?!



In releasing highly classified documents on the CIA interrogation program last week, President Obama declared that the techniques used to question captured terrorists "did not make us safer." This is patently false. The proof is in the memos Obama made public -- in sections that have gone virtually unreported in the media.

Consider the Justice Department memo of May 30, 2005. It notes that "the CIA believes 'the intelligence acquired from these interrogations has been a key reason why al Qaeda has failed to launch a spectacular attack in the West since 11 September 2001.' . . . In particular, the CIA believes that it would have been unable to obtain critical information from numerous detainees, including [Khalid Sheik Mohammed] and Abu Zubaydah, without these enhanced techniques." The memo continues: "Before the CIA used enhanced techniques . . . KSM resisted giving any answers to questions about future attacks, simply noting, 'Soon you will find out.' " Once the techniques were applied, "interrogations have led to specific, actionable intelligence, as well as a general increase in the amount of intelligence regarding al Qaeda and its affiliates."

House
04-22-2009, 08:45 AM
Why trust Cheney? He spent 8 years lying to us about the fact that the US Government never tortured anyone - and now there's proof that the Bush Cabinet did torture people he wants to turn it around and make this about Obama? Who's to say he's not lying now?

lacarnut
04-22-2009, 01:23 PM
Why trust Cheney? He spent 8 years lying to us about the fact that the US Government never tortured anyone - and now there's proof that the Bush Cabinet did torture people he wants to turn it around and make this about Obama? Who's to say he's not lying now?

You are a lying piece of shit because Cheney wants all the documents to be published not the ones that liberal assholes like you want to pick and choose.

Go play elsewhere, troll.

House
04-22-2009, 03:13 PM
You are a lying piece of shit because Cheney wants all the documents to be published not the ones that liberal assholes like you want to pick and choose.

Go play elsewhere, troll.

I'm not a troll. I was for releasing these documents because it shows clear human right violations done by the Bush Administration, which they lied to us about - Their reasoning seems to be that of a kid in the schoolyard "They started it!", rising above what people living in caves do is not an unreasonable demand for a country like the US.

And I honestly do not trust anything Dick Cheney or Karl Rove says anymore, because they lied to us for 8 years and now they're trying to justify it by "the ends justify the means", which is doesn't if it reduces us to acting like people living in caves.

linda22003
04-22-2009, 03:19 PM
That's just lacarnut's way of saying "Welcome to CU!" :)

patriot45
04-22-2009, 03:20 PM
I'm not a troll. I was for releasing these documents because it shows clear human right violations done by the Bush Administration, which they lied to us about - Their reasoning seems to be that of a kid in the schoolyard "They started it!", rising above what people living in caves do is not an unreasonable demand for a country like the US.

And I honestly do not trust anything Dick Cheney or Karl Rove says anymore, because they lied to us for 8 years and now they're trying to justify it by "the ends justify the means", which is doesn't if it reduces us to acting like people living in caves.


If not a troll then a liberal sissy! These programs worked and major disasters were averted. Waterboarding is used as a training method in our own armed forces! You just think Cheney and the Rove lied to you.
Don't wory tho, your big guy the 0 will take care of the terrorists or whatever he is calling them now with niceness and apologies.
You libs are disgusting.

House
04-22-2009, 04:46 PM
If not a troll then a liberal sissy! These programs worked and major disasters were averted. Waterboarding is used as a training method in our own armed forces! You just think Cheney and the Rove lied to you.
Don't wory tho, your big guy the 0 will take care of the terrorists or whatever he is calling them now with niceness and apologies.
You libs are disgusting.

Yes, that's very productive, call more than half the voting base disgusting.

newshutr
04-22-2009, 05:28 PM
Yes, that's very productive, call more than half the voting base disgusting.

Ok..they're all dumb motherfuckers. Consider yourself welcomed, motherfucker.

lacarnut
04-22-2009, 05:29 PM
That's just lacarnut's way of saying "Welcome to CU!" :)

If you and dipshit can provide info on the torture methods that were used rather than opinions from the left wing media, I am all ears.

In all probability neither one of you have been in the service. Harsher methods have been used on our own soldiers in training and preparation for capture. I don't think either one of you have a clue; our own soldier have been subjected to far harsher treatment while in training than the pussies in Gitmo.

lacarnut
04-22-2009, 05:39 PM
I'm not a troll. I was for releasing these documents because it shows clear human right violations done by the Bush Administration, which they lied to us about - Their reasoning seems to be that of a kid in the schoolyard "They started it!", rising above what people living in caves do is not an unreasonable demand for a country like the US.

And I honestly do not trust anything Dick Cheney or Karl Rove says anymore, because they lied to us for 8 years and now they're trying to justify it by "the ends justify the means", which is doesn't if it reduces us to acting like people living in caves.

I bet a whimpy pissant like you was too chicken to join the service. You would not know what an honor it was to serve your country in the military if it slapped you in your dumb ass face.

When your boy Obama fucks up this country and we have another attack on our soil, will you still be blaming Bush, Cheney and Rove? That shit is getting old. You are not a conservative so quit lying.

House
04-22-2009, 06:00 PM
I bet a whimpy pissant like you was too chicken to join the service. You would not know what an honor it was to serve your country in the military if it slapped you in your dumb ass face.

When your boy Obama fucks up this country and we have another attack on our soil, will you still be blaming Bush, Cheney and Rove? That shit is getting old. You are not a conservative so quit lying.

I would have joined the army if I believed for a second that my freedom was in danger, but that freedom was by far more compromised by the USA PATRIOT Act and the Bush Administration. I didn't join the military because I didn't want to be sent to Iraq(Because the war was started on a lie and the Iraqi government at the time had no influence on global terrorism nor did they have WMD's - it was started because Saddam Hussein didn't want to listen to Bush's and CIA's economic hitmen).

I'm sorry if I'm not deluded enough to think that Obama is a socialist, because he's not - He's not even close to being one - And if there is anything that terrifies me that might happen under Obama's watch is that Taliban in Pakistan might become so influential they'll get their hands on nuclear weapons, but as it is the situation is nowhere dire enough for me to support torturing human beings under the reasoning that they're not legal combatants or that they started it(This school yard reasoning is scary) - They're still human beings, human rights apply to all human beings and we need to show the terrorists that we won't be reduced to what they do, as when we start doing that we become no better than them.

I'll keep blaming Bush, Cheney and Rove for as long as they keep lying and changing their stories to force their agenda down on everybody: "We never tortured anyone" -> "We only tortured 3 people" -> "Our torture got results!" or "They have WMDs, we have to attack" -> "We had to free the Iraqi people from Saddam Hussein" -> "Uh we have to stick around to kill insurgents... uh because..."

No I'm not conservative and I never claimed to be. I just read conservative forums and this is by far the least crazy I've been on so far - I tried posting on FreeRepublic and got banned for asking questions about their stance on social issues(as while I understood most of the fiscal issues and stances and understood why you would be a neoconservative, but didn't understand paleoconservatism or just normal conservatism).

Of course this thread is rapidly changing my mind about this being the least crazy.

patriot45
04-22-2009, 07:22 PM
I would have joined the army if I believed for a second that my freedom was in danger, but that freedom was by far more compromised by the USA PATRIOT Act and the Bush Administration. I didn't join the military because I didn't want to be sent to Iraq(Because the war was started on a lie and the Iraqi government at the time had no influence on global terrorism nor did they have WMD's - it was started because Saddam Hussein didn't want to listen to Bush's and CIA's economic hitmen).

I'm sorry if I'm not deluded enough to think that Obama is a socialist, because he's not - He's not even close to being one - And if there is anything that terrifies me that might happen under Obama's watch is that Taliban in Pakistan might become so influential they'll get their hands on nuclear weapons, but as it is the situation is nowhere dire enough for me to support torturing human beings under the reasoning that they're not legal combatants or that they started it(This school yard reasoning is scary) - They're still human beings, human rights apply to all human beings and we need to show the terrorists that we won't be reduced to what they do, as when we start doing that we become no better than them.

I'll keep blaming Bush, Cheney and Rove for as long as they keep lying and changing their stories to force their agenda down on everybody: "We never tortured anyone" -> "We only tortured 3 people" -> "Our torture got results!" or "They have WMDs, we have to attack" -> "We had to free the Iraqi people from Saddam Hussein" -> "Uh we have to stick around to kill insurgents... uh because..."

No I'm not conservative and I never claimed to be. I just read conservative forums and this is by far the least crazy I've been on so far - I tried posting on FreeRepublic and got banned for asking questions about their stance on social issues(as while I understood most of the fiscal issues and stances and understood why you would be a neoconservative, but didn't understand paleoconservatism or just normal conservatism).

Of course this thread is rapidly changing my mind about this being the least crazy.

You do try don't you! Why play with conservatives when you are obviously a moonbat, DU is that way<

You will never understand us, we are patriotic Americans!

lacarnut
04-22-2009, 07:46 PM
I would have joined the army if I believed for a second that my freedom was in danger, but that freedom was by far more compromised by the USA PATRIOT Act and the Bush Administration. I didn't join the military because I didn't want to be sent to Iraq(Because the war was started on a lie and the Iraqi government at the time had no influence on global terrorism nor did they have WMD's - it was started because Saddam Hussein didn't want to listen to Bush's and CIA's economic hitmen).

I'm sorry if I'm not deluded enough to think that Obama is a socialist, because he's not - He's not even close to being one - And if there is anything that terrifies me that might happen under Obama's watch is that Taliban in Pakistan might become so influential they'll get their hands on nuclear weapons, but as it is the situation is nowhere dire enough for me to support torturing human beings under the reasoning that they're not legal combatants or that they started it(This school yard reasoning is scary) - They're still human beings, human rights apply to all human beings and we need to show the terrorists that we won't be reduced to what they do, as when we start doing that we become no better than them.

I'll keep blaming Bush, Cheney and Rove for as long as they keep lying and changing their stories to force their agenda down on everybody: "We never tortured anyone" -> "We only tortured 3 people" -> "Our torture got results!" or "They have WMDs, we have to attack" -> "We had to free the Iraqi people from Saddam Hussein" -> "Uh we have to stick around to kill insurgents... uh because..."

No I'm not conservative and I never claimed to be. I just read conservative forums and this is by far the least crazy I've been on so far - I tried posting on FreeRepublic and got banned for asking questions about their stance on social issues(as while I understood most of the fiscal issues and stances and understood why you would be a neoconservative, but didn't understand paleoconservatism or just normal conservatism).

Of course this thread is rapidly changing my mind about this being the least crazy.

Cry me a river. You are not a conservative or a troll. Then you must be a liberal sissy who whines and cries about human rights in the US. Why don't you complain about Cuba, China, Dubai, Russian and Islamic countries that violate humman rights? You are one of those blame America assholes; that is why.

I would not want to change your mind about being crazy; you are too stupid to realize that Obama is a socialist that is going to run this country into the ground. You and your Messiah can rant and rave about what happened the last 8 years but that is not going to get us out of the mess we are in. We have already seen what the Magic Negro is doing to the banks. Geithner want to control them. Plain and simple. Of course, a fool like you does not think so. Next will be the health care system where some bureaurcrat will tell you who and when you can see a Doctor. Next will be tripling of the present gasoline tax. How does 4 dollars a gallon grab your ass while billions will be mispent on alternative energy.

The most absurd part of your post is the reason that you did not want to join the military. You are so full of shit, if you took a good BM, there would be nothing left. Liberal pussies like you do not join the military unless they are homosexuals.

3rd-try
04-22-2009, 07:50 PM
House, it's just pitiful that you see waterboarding and caterpillars as the equivalent of acid baths, fingers severed, burns, etc. And now under O, the interrogator(or is it the interviewer?) can't raise his voice?! You really don't have a clue do you? You believe something good will come from our bed and breakfast for terrorists. (assuming you'll actually use the "T" word)

But fully knowing the mindset of the fundamental Islamic terrorists, and with real history (not rewritten) as a guide, if you think being the nice guy will be help, man, you are hopeless. No matter how hard you try, they'll never join hands with us and sing around a campfire. They want us dead. They reverted to attacking more passive countries after our response. And, your answer is to become more passive?

Rockntractor
04-22-2009, 08:05 PM
I would have joined the army if I believed for a second that my freedom was in danger, but that freedom was by far more compromised by the USA PATRIOT Act and the Bush Administration. I didn't join the military because I didn't want to be sent to Iraq(Because the war was started on a lie and the Iraqi government at the time had no influence on global terrorism nor did they have WMD's - it was started because Saddam Hussein didn't want to listen to Bush's and CIA's economic hitmen).

I'm sorry if I'm not deluded enough to think that Obama is a socialist, because he's not - He's not even close to being one - And if there is anything that terrifies me that might happen under Obama's watch is that Taliban in Pakistan might become so influential they'll get their hands on nuclear weapons, but as it is the situation is nowhere dire enough for me to support torturing human beings under the reasoning that they're not legal combatants or that they started it(This school yard reasoning is scary) - They're still human beings, human rights apply to all human beings and we need to show the terrorists that we won't be reduced to what they do, as when we start doing that we become no better than them.

I'll keep blaming Bush, Cheney and Rove for as long as they keep lying and changing their stories to force their agenda down on everybody: "We never tortured anyone" -> "We only tortured 3 people" -> "Our torture got results!" or "They have WMDs, we have to attack" -> "We had to free the Iraqi people from Saddam Hussein" -> "Uh we have to stick around to kill insurgents... uh because..."

No I'm not conservative and I never claimed to be. I just read conservative forums and this is by far the least crazy I've been on so far - I tried posting on FreeRepublic and got banned for asking questions about their stance on social issues(as while I understood most of the fiscal issues and stances and understood why you would be a neoconservative, but didn't understand paleoconservatism or just normal conservatism).

Of course this thread is rapidly changing my mind about this being the least crazy.
Wow! A real live liberal on CU lets put him in a jar and poke holes in the lid and watch him for a while.

ReaganForRus
04-22-2009, 09:04 PM
I would have joined the army if I believed for a second that my freedom was in danger, but that freedom was by far more compromised by the USA PATRIOT Act and the Bush Administration. I didn't join the military because I didn't want to be sent to Iraq(Because the war was started on a lie and the Iraqi government at the time had no influence on global terrorism nor did they have WMD's - it was started because Saddam Hussein didn't want to listen to Bush's and CIA's economic hitmen).

I'll keep blaming Bush, Cheney and Rove for as long as they keep lying and changing their stories to force their agenda down on everybody: "We never tortured anyone" -> "We only tortured 3 people" -> "Our torture got results!" or "They have WMDs, we have to attack" -> "We had to free the Iraqi people from Saddam Hussein" -> "Uh we have to stick around to kill insurgents... uh because..."



House, First of all, welcome to the Conservative Underground.

Second, please answer the following questions

(A.) Please enumerate the freedoms you personally lost because of the USA Patriot Act. Detail and explain each freedom personally denied to you. You cannot address vague allegations without mainstream documentation. ( The Daily KOS and Huffington Post don not qualify as legitimate sources.),

(B.) Please elaborate that the war buildup, what was exactly told to the American people, same premise applies, actual documentation, not conjecture., and

(C.) Please outline what constitutes torture as outlined by the Geneva Conventions.

Oh, these are trick questions that actually require thought and appropriate, diligent research.:D

To paraphrase, Sean Connery out of the "Untouchables"......."Thus beginnth the lesson":D