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enslaved1
04-24-2009, 01:11 PM
I only listen to Michael Savage on occasion (he right about a lot of things, but is a bit of a right wing conspiracy theorist IMHO), but last night I caught him talking about this cartoon. Went the the website to check it out. Non Sequitur touches on politics, and usually calls out the idiots on both sides. This is really poignant and disturbingly fitting for these times.


Why do you have that boring tattoo? (http://michaelsavage.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=5537)

We still learn more from cartoons than we do in school.

linda22003
04-24-2009, 01:20 PM
I read Non Sequitur every morning. It can be pretty on target sometimes.

Proud Mom
04-24-2009, 01:50 PM
Truly eye opening to see the simialarites with what is going on today.
I"m e-mailing this out.

enslaved1
04-24-2009, 09:53 PM
I read Non Sequitur every morning. It can be pretty on target sometimes.

I usually read it too, but I haven't been getting over to the Seattle PI comic strip site for a while. It does nail a lot of issues quite well.

Gingersnap
04-25-2009, 12:03 AM
Excellent.

On a related note, Ted Rall lost his job and good riddance. Evil Cartoonist Loses Job (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2009/04/24/soldier-slandering-radical-left-wing-cartoonist-rall-laid)

Water Closet
04-25-2009, 10:45 AM
Excellent.

On a related note, Ted Rall lost his job and good riddance. Evil Cartoonist Loses Job (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2009/04/24/soldier-slandering-radical-left-wing-cartoonist-rall-laid)

Rail is a complete a** and it's a good thing that he's lost his job. However, in the article you referenced I found this comment...


Rall may be virtually alone when it comes to taking pride in his work. Not content to keep his Hitler comparisons to elected politicians like George W. Bush or Dick Cheney, Rall often spilled his venom on the likes of American servicemen and 9/11 widows.

It brought to mind another quote regarding the 9/11 widows...


These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV and in articles about them, reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by griefparrazies. I have never seen people enjoying their husband's death so much.

Space Gravy
04-25-2009, 11:02 AM
Excellent.

On a related note, Ted Rall lost his job and good riddance. Evil Cartoonist Loses Job (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2009/04/24/soldier-slandering-radical-left-wing-cartoonist-rall-laid)

I can't say I feel sorry for him.

SarasotaRepub
04-25-2009, 11:06 AM
I read Non Sequitur every morning. It can be pretty on target sometimes.

Yep, never miss it. :D

RobJohnson
04-25-2009, 11:43 AM
I only listen to Michael Savage on occasion (he right about a lot of things, but is a bit of a right wing conspiracy theorist IMHO), but last night I caught him talking about this cartoon. Went the the website to check it out. Non Sequitur touches on politics, and usually calls out the idiots on both sides. This is really poignant and disturbingly fitting for these times.


Why do you have that boring tattoo? (http://michaelsavage.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=5537)

We still learn more from cartoons than we do in school.

Powerful cartoon, thanks.

lacarnut
04-25-2009, 12:02 PM
Cagle Post have some great conservative cartoons that are published daily.

CueSi
04-25-2009, 12:19 PM
Excellent.

On a related note, Ted Rall lost his job and good riddance. Evil Cartoonist Loses Job (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2009/04/24/soldier-slandering-radical-left-wing-cartoonist-rall-laid)

Good.

the racist bastard.

~QC

Odysseus
04-25-2009, 10:00 PM
Good.
the racist bastard.
~QC

I'm amazed that he had one in the first place. Talk about a no-talent hack. His drawings are crude and his strips are mindless agitprop, devoid of humor or intelligence. Here's the sample from the article:

http://newsbusters.org/static/2007/07/2007-07-14TedRall.gif

Walt Kelly, he ain't.

hazlnut
04-26-2009, 01:22 AM
What I'm hearing here is that both cartoonists made comparisons between sitting Presidents and Hitler. But only the conservative-leaning one was really justified? Give me an F-ing break!

See, it's tough to be a centrists, at times hypocrisy is every where you look. I found both cartoons referenced to be lacking wit and offensive.

When you start comparing liberals and/or conservatives to Fascists, you are engaging in a type of thought used by the author of the Truman Diaries -- a very racists book about small fringe group that used fear to turn a populist movement into a violent attempt to overthrow the government.

Fear-mongering plain and simple. Come on people, we need to calm down, take a breath, and not get ahead of ourselves.

hazlnut
04-26-2009, 01:25 AM
Truly eye opening to see the simialarites with what is going on today.
I"m e-mailing this out.

If you're intent of reveal your ignorance to your friends--go ahead, send it this fear-mongering piece of trite shite out.

lacarnut
04-26-2009, 01:39 AM
If you're intent of reveal your ignorance to your friends--go ahead, send it this fear-mongering piece of trite shite out.

You should learn how to write a coherent sentence before you accuse someone of ignorance.

CueSi
04-26-2009, 02:50 AM
What I'm hearing here is that both cartoonists made comparisons between sitting Presidents and Hitler. But only the conservative-leaning one was really justified? Give me an F-ing break!

See, it's tough to be a centrists, at times hypocrisy is every where you look. I found both cartoons referenced to be lacking wit and offensive.

When you start comparing liberals and/or conservatives to Fascists, you are engaging in a type of thought used by the author of the Truman Diaries -- a very racists book about small fringe group that used fear to turn a populist movement into a violent attempt to overthrow the government.

Fear-mongering plain and simple. Come on people, we need to calm down, take a breath, and not get ahead of ourselves.

Look up Ted Rall's work on Condie Rice.

That is why I hate him. Racist fucking bastard.

~QC

Water Closet
04-26-2009, 07:09 AM
What I'm hearing here is that both cartoonists made comparisons between sitting Presidents and Hitler. But only the conservative-leaning one was really justified? Give me an F-ing break!
...

The Wiley cartoon has a date of "6-11." While I don't follow this strip avidly, I suspect that this was publsihed while George Bush was president. Therefore, I don't think that Wiley is criticizing Obama.

Odysseus
04-27-2009, 01:03 AM
What I'm hearing here is that both cartoonists made comparisons between sitting Presidents and Hitler. But only the conservative-leaning one was really justified? Give me an F-ing break!

See, it's tough to be a centrists, at times hypocrisy is every where you look. I found both cartoons referenced to be lacking wit and offensive.

When you start comparing liberals and/or conservatives to Fascists, you are engaging in a type of thought used by the author of the Truman Diaries -- a very racists book about small fringe group that used fear to turn a populist movement into a violent attempt to overthrow the government.

Fear-mongering plain and simple. Come on people, we need to calm down, take a breath, and not get ahead of ourselves.

Wiley didn't mention a president. His cartoon simply deplored political extremism. As a so-called centrist, you should be able to get beind that. Rall, OTOH, is a hateful little crank who sees himself as part of an intellectual elite, mostly because he can sneer at anyone who doesn't share his worldview.

BTW, you do mean the Turner Diaries, don't you? And there's more to fascism than simply being a racist (in fact, two self-proclaimed fascist regimes, Spain and Italy, were arguably less racist than we were during the same period). Fascist economics is about government control through policy rather than outright ownership of the economy. We've had fascist movements in America before, and to paraphrase Huey Long, it's always come disguised as anti-fascism. For example, much of the National Recovery Act, with its emphasis on creating labor battalions and other paramilitary organizations, had serious fascist overtones, and the imposition of government controls on the economy, while permitting titular ownership by private corporations and individuals, was always a fascist, rather than a socialist impulse (socialists want outright ownership in the hands of the state). Of course, Roosevelt wasn't the only one who played at that. Wilson's WWI era "wartime socialism" was intensely fascist, even before Mussolini coined the term, and Nixon's wage and price controls was very much the same thing. But, of course, you already knew that, just as you knew all about the Truman...Ooops, Turner Diaries. :rolleyes:

CueSi
04-27-2009, 03:55 AM
In case you wonder why I call Rall a racist POS.

http://sfcmac.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/tedrallevil.gif


NO conservative would EVER be given a pass for this, and rightly so.

~QC

Constitutionally Speaking
04-27-2009, 07:21 AM
Rail is a complete a** and it's a good thing that he's lost his job. However, in the article you referenced I found this comment...



It brought to mind another quote regarding the 9/11 widows...


CW you are smarter than that.

You KNOW what the point of that was. She was ACCURATELY pointing out that these ladies were using their unfortunate reason for celebrity as a shield so that no one DARE attack what they were saying.

They put themselves out as victims so that they could lie and spew hate - and anyone who dare question their message would be vilified as being evil for disagreeing with them.

Ann was right - and you proved it.

Water Closet
04-27-2009, 08:06 AM
CW you are smarter than that.

You KNOW what the point of that was. She was ACCURATELY pointing out that these ladies were using their unfortunate reason for celebrity as a shield so that no one DARE attack what they were saying.

They put themselves out as victims so that they could lie and spew hate - and anyone who dare question their message would be vilified as being evil for disagreeing with them.

Ann was right - and you proved it.

Wow, CS. So much nuance on behalf of Sweet Annie, one would almost suspect John Kerry had gotten ahold of your user id! ;)

First, let me make myself perfectly clear. I think that Rail is one of the vilest PoS around. His drawing is amateurish and his sentiments are so far out there and so crudely expressed as to make him a pariah. It's amazing to me that someone of so little talent and such extreme opinions has gained any currency on the national stage.

That said, I thought it curious that the article mentioned his attacks on the 9/11 widows when Coulter had done the same. Let's face it, CS, if those ladies had been spouting praises of Bush's handling of the situation, as well as his preparation in the run-up to 9/11, Coulter would not have attacked them. It's only because they dared to express a political opinion with which she disagreed that she went after them.

Coulter is a nasty piece of work who will vulgarly attack anyone with whom she disagrees (or anyone whom she thinks she can make a buck off of). And yes, I've read one of her books (Slander) as well as numerous columns (I remember one attacking McCain as a closet supporter of abortion who would reveal himself by picking Guilliani as his running mate). I found the book shallow, episodic, and prone to extreme cherry-picking and her columns, in general, to be emotive, reactive, and deficient in reason.