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megimoo
04-24-2009, 11:04 PM
Obama begins leading America in a new direction.
A or F? Grade Obama on his first 100 days

Obama at 100 days: Not quite honor-roll material, but he's earned a solid B
With President Barack Obama approaching his 100th day in office,
we'll keep up the practice that began with President Franklin Roosevelt
and give him an early grade: it's a B.

"Poll results as of 4/24/2009 11:00 PM EST

What do you think? What grade would you give the president after 100 days?
A -- He's been just what this country needed. (1689 responses) 15.2%
B -- He's done much more good than bad. (337 responses) 3.0%
C -- He's been mediocre. (192 responses) 1.7%
D -- The bad easily outweighs the good. (490 responses) 4.4%
F -- He's been a disaster. (8410 responses) 75.6%
11118 total responses (Results not scientific)
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/opinion/todaysbuzz/friday/

AlmostThere
04-24-2009, 11:08 PM
This can't be right. CNN keeps telling me that Obama has an approval rating above 60%. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Water Closet
04-25-2009, 07:28 AM
This can't be right. CNN keeps telling me that Obama has an approval rating above 60%. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Wouldn't a "B" rating equate to an approval rating of around 60%, plus or minus? :confused:

On edit: I think I see what you're refering to, the results of the online poll as opposed to the editorial comment. There was a time, not too long ago, when most people here didn't give much credence to online polls. In fact, they were often points with which to deride the DUmmies who did believe in those polls. I wonder what changed to make them so much more scientific? :D

lacarnut
04-25-2009, 10:05 AM
Wouldn't a "B" rating equate to an approval rating of around 60%, plus or minus? :confused:

On edit: I think I see what you're refering to, the results of the online poll as opposed to the editorial comment. There was a time, not too long ago, when most people here didn't give much credence to online polls. In fact, they were often points with which to deride the DUmmies who did believe in those polls. I wonder what changed to make them so much more scientific? :D

It's a new ballgame; what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Rockntractor
04-25-2009, 10:24 AM
I think the solid B is for Being present. As far as a grade he has been more harmful than any foriegn enemy of this country.

SecretOperative
04-25-2009, 10:43 AM
... As far as a grade he has been more harmful than any foriegn enemy of this country.

Amen brother.

CueSi
04-25-2009, 11:30 AM
The Seminal isn't even asking where the disconnect is.

Wow. Yay journalism. :rolleyes:

~QC

AlmostThere
04-25-2009, 12:54 PM
Wouldn't a "B" rating equate to an approval rating of around 60%, plus or minus? :confused:

On edit: I think I see what you're refering to, the results of the online poll as opposed to the editorial comment. There was a time, not too long ago, when most people here didn't give much credence to online polls. In fact, they were often points with which to deride the DUmmies who did believe in those polls. I wonder what changed to make them so much more scientific? :D

On-line polls are just about as scientific as telephone polls conducted where questions have been worded in such a way as to give the results the pollster wanted. Neither is worth the paper the results are printed on. All but 1 or 2 of major polling organizations seem to be working for a political agenda. Carefully crafted polling questions and people's natural herding instinct make the external forming of public opinion child's play.

I can't speak to the European mindset because I don't have direct contact, but the American mindset is painfully obvious. Far, FAR, to many make no effort to educate themselves as to the issues and players involved. They depend on pundits spoon feeding them information as to whom and what to support. We would all be better off if the uninformed just flipped a coin when trying to decide what to think.

So really, any poll, no matter how scientific has to be questioned. When you can walk up to 10 Americans on the street and ask who the President, V.P, Senate Majority leader and Speaker of the House are and perhaps a couple might know, what the hell good is any poll on any subject?

To borrow the title of my favorite piece of fiction, unfortunately, we live in a Confederacy of Dunces.

Water Closet
04-25-2009, 01:40 PM
On-line polls are just about as scientific as telephone polls conducted where questions have been worded in such a way as to give the results the pollster wanted. Neither is worth the paper the results are printed on. All but 1 or 2 of major polling organizations seem to be working for a political agenda. Carefully crafted polling questions and people's natural herding instinct make the external forming of public opinion child's play.

I can't speak to the European mindset because I don't have direct contact, but the American mindset is painfully obvious. Far, FAR, to many make no effort to educate themselves as to the issues and players involved. They depend on pundits spoon feeding them information as to whom and what to support. We would all be better off if the uninformed just flipped a coin when trying to decide what to think.

So really, any poll, no matter how scientific has to be questioned. When you can walk up to 10 Americans on the street and ask who the President, V.P, Senate Majority leader and Speaker of the House are and perhaps a couple might know, what the hell good is any poll on any subject?

To borrow the title of my favorite piece of fiction, unfortunately, we live in a Confederacy of Dunces.

So, you're saying (1) that online polls, wherein the person being polled can simply clear any cookies and vote as many times as he/she wants are as controlled as polls taken by organizations like Gallup, etc. and (2) that all the laughing at the DUmmies for their belief in online polls over the past 8 years was wrong, becuase their polls had just as much validity as any others? OK, got it.

AlmostThere
04-25-2009, 03:18 PM
So, you're saying (1) that online polls, wherein the person being polled can simply clear any cookies and vote as many times as he/she wants are as controlled as polls taken by organizations like Gallup, etc. and (2) that all the laughing at the DUmmies for their belief in online polls over the past 8 years was wrong, becuase their polls had just as much validity as any others? OK, got it.

NO, you don't get it. Either you are purposely being dense or you can't help it. I have not seen enough of your writing to determine which it is.

Let me try and be clearer so you might understand.
1) On-line polls are a joke. They shouldn't even be called polls. It should be called SUBMITTING.
2) Scientific phone polls can easily be manipulated by the phrasing of the question.
3) And worst of all, a vast majority of Americans are totally clueless and base their opinions on soundbites or what they are told to think.

OK, got it now?

lacarnut
04-25-2009, 03:37 PM
NO, you don't get it. Either you are purposely being dense or you can't help it. I have not seen enough of your writing to determine which it is.

Let me try and be clearer so you might understand.
1) On-line polls are a joke. They shouldn't even be called polls. It should be called SUBMITTING.
2) Scientific phone polls can easily be manipulated by the phrasing of the question.
3) And worst of all, a vast majority of Americans are totally clueless and base their opinions on soundbites or what they are told to think.

OK, got it now?

Evidently not. He must not watch interviews by comics or late night host that ask question to these dummies on the street outside the studios in NYC if it would it be ok with you if Palin was on the ticket with Obama prior to the election. Then reversed the question asking if it would be ok if McCain chose Gore. They answered yes; that would be ok. Most Americans are stupid when it comes to politics. I doubt more than 25% of the voting public in any state could name their 2 Senators and their Rep. in the House.

Water Closet
04-25-2009, 06:32 PM
NO, you don't get it. Either you are purposely being dense or you can't help it. I have not seen enough of your writing to determine which it is.

Let me try and be clearer so you might understand.
1) On-line polls are a joke. They shouldn't even be called polls. It should be called SUBMITTING.
2) Scientific phone polls can easily be manipulated by the phrasing of the question.
3) And worst of all, a vast majority of Americans are totally clueless and base their opinions on soundbites or what they are told to think.

OK, got it now?

Yes, I "get it." When online polls go against what you believe, they're crap; when they support what you believe, they're no worse than scientific polls. And, when the American populace elects the likes of Georgie Porgie, they're informed; when they elect Obama, they're "totally clueless."

Hypocrite much?

AlmostThere
04-25-2009, 10:21 PM
Yes, I "get it." When online polls go against what you believe, they're crap; when they support what you believe, they're no worse than scientific polls. And, when the American populace elects the likes of Georgie Porgie, they're informed; when they elect Obama, they're "totally clueless."

Hypocrite much?

Thank you, you have answered my question. I wasn't sure if you were pretending to be dense, but after reading this analysis, I can safely assume you are just a fucking idiot. Thanks for the clarification.

Have you bothered to read anything posted in this thread? You have attributed to me things I've never said or even implied. Comprehension a problem?



On-line polls are just about as scientific as telephone polls conducted where questions have been worded in such a way as to give the results the pollster wanted. Neither is worth the paper the results are printed on.

Translation: I don't have any use for ANY polls, whether I agree with the results or not. Is "Neither is worth the paper the results are printed on. " really that difficult to understand?


So really, any poll, no matter how scientific has to be questioned. When you can walk up to 10 Americans on the street and ask who the President, V.P, Senate Majority leader and Speaker of the House are and perhaps a couple might know, what the hell good is any poll on any subject?

Please say you are just yanking my chain.

Rockntractor
04-25-2009, 11:45 PM
Yes, I "get it." When online polls go against what you believe, they're crap; when they support what you believe, they're no worse than scientific polls. And, when the American populace elects the likes of Georgie Porgie, they're informed; when they elect Obama, they're "totally clueless."

Hypocrite much?
What is it that makes liberals think conservatives loved the way George Bush governed? He was constantly pandering to liberals and allowing them to have their way. He kept us safe from terrorists after the September 11 attack but he did not fight the Iraq war hard enough. He was too worried some Iraqi’s might get hurt. He should have made them pay for rebuilding their own country instead of giving them our barrowed money. They should have had to pay the bill for the war to. He started the socialist take over of private industry. If George Bush had been doing what conservatives had wanted him to do hate would not begin to describe what liberals would feel toward him.

hazlnut
04-26-2009, 12:24 AM
Let me try and be clearer so you might understand.
1) On-line polls are a joke. They shouldn't even be called polls. It should be called SUBMITTING.
2) Scientific phone polls can easily be manipulated by the phrasing of the question.
3) And worst of all, a vast majority of Americans are totally clueless and base their opinions on soundbites or what they are told to think.

I like the way you think, AlmostThere.

What I've become more aware of is this type of selective listening (viewing) that goes on--that is, the tendency for a person to give more weight/significance to a news item that confirms his point of view while consciously or unconsciously dismissing a story or elements of story that back an alternative point of view.