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megimoo
05-03-2009, 08:45 AM
Assailin' Palin: Complaints deluge gov.

If anyone knows what it is like to be Sarah Palin right now, it is James 'Dan' Quayle.

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palinís life has changed in a myriad of ways since she became the Republican vice presidential nominee last August, but one aspect of her newfound fame has been more bracing than the others: Since entering the national spotlight, Palin has been inundated by ethics complaints, most of them filed against her after she agreed to become Sen. John McCainís running mate. The complaints run the gamut, ranging from the governorís use of state funds and staff to the workings of her political action committee and even to a jacket she wore to a snow machine race involving her husband.

Itís difficult to pinpoint exactly how many complaints have been filed because the state doesnít keep count and the complaints are kept confidential by the attorney generalís office unless the state moves forward with a public accusation of wrongdoing. But in total there have been more than a dozen, and most of those have surfaced in the last seven months.

That much is clear because the complainants have a habit of notifying the media and bloggers each time they lodge a grievance. Itís evidence, say Palinís defenders, that there is a clear political component to them.

ďAs we've been saying, the number of ethics complaints filed against the governor and her staff ó as well as the tortured logic they contain ó continue to constitute the most disturbing trend in Alaska politics,Ē said Palin spokeswoman Sharon Leighow in a recent statement after one ostensibly confidential complaint was sent to the Anchorage Daily News and other news outlets.



http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22022.html
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Again, what we're seeing is a morphing of the virus that caused Bush Derangement Syndrome among the left into a new form of the disease which focuses on Sara Palin. But this means we can quickly dismiss all the accusations as symptoms of Palin Derangement Syndrome.

Simply put, the Left is insane.
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Two can play at this game. We have a Democrat governor here in Oklahoma.
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I am amazed by the degree of fear that the Dems have for Palin...
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The more gargage the left throws at Gov. Palin, the more I am convinced that she IS the WOMAN for 2012.

Go Sarah!!!
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The Dems fear Palin because she DARES to speak the truth about THEM.

Usually GOP'ers are chicken, (example; McCain says nobody is allowed to use Obama's middle name).

Palin doesn't allow the dems to control her and they cannot stand it.
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The libs who deride hate speech and pass laws giving special groups,special protection are in involved in character assassination on Palin on steroids.The libs can't win on ideas so they turn to ginning up hate instead.

megimoo
05-03-2009, 08:52 AM
Sliming Palin: The L.A. Times Version

"The N.Y and The L.A. Times as 'Black Holes' Shrinking Fast !"

Times article I had missed about Sarah Palin shopping around a book deal. The article drips with venom towards Palin. Little commentary is necessary; for the most part, all that is needed to demonstrate the reporterís bias is to simply quote the article.

If you thought being governor of Alaska and a new grandmother would be enough to fill the cold, dark nights in the Arctic state, you underestimate Sarah Palin, the failed vice presidential candidate.

If you thought the bankruptcy of its parent company and the prospect of yet another round of layoffs would be enough to occupy the minds of L.A. Times reporters, you underestimate the hatred they have for Sarah Palin over at that failing newspaper.

Throughout the campaign, Palin was kept under wraps by staff, and her appearances were carefully orchestrated in the failed hope of protecting her from ridicule. Frequently when she did engage the media, she appeared ill prepared at best and hopelessly naive at worst. Her comments on Russia and politics were a steady diet for late-night comedians.

There is some truth to this, but the whole truth is a little more complex than revealed by reporter Muskal.

Iím not really interested in revisiting the debate over who is blame for Palinís poor performance in a couple of interviews. I think she got screwed by unfair questions and editing in her interview with the insufferably smug Charlie Gibson.

But I think Palin had only herself to blame for flubbing some simple questions floated by the leftist bubblehead Katie Couric.

Ultimately, Palin was under a lot of pressure, with Big Media teaming up with promiscuous Wikipedia-quoting muttonheads from the Atlantic to question the parentage of her children, Saturday Night Live (aided by the aforementioned deceptive Gibson editing) recreating Americansí memories of what Palin really said about Russia, and scumbag McCain advisors who overmanaged her. At the same time, all the unfairness aside, she turned out to be less ready for prime time than many of us had hoped based upon her impressive performance in Alaska.

The truth is a little less cartoonish than the simplistic version offered by Muskal of the Amazing Shrinking and Imploding L.A. Times. I guess offering a version of events lacking in subtlety and (dare I say it?) nuance might be Mr. Muskalís attempt to appeal to his newspaperís leftist base in Los Angeles.

During the campaign, there were charges that Palin tried to censor books at the Wasilla, Alaska, library when she was mayor of that community. Though the reports turned out to be overblown (she did ask the librarian about removing some books and then dismissed her along with other officials), the ink stuck to her, helping with conservatives and hurting with other voters.

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http://patterico.com/category/2008-election/

megimoo
05-03-2009, 08:56 AM
Before Sarah Palin, the GOP had Dan Quayle


Like 20 years ago, a young conservative is plucked from obscurity to bolster the ticket's election chances.


If anyone knows what it is like to be Sarah Palin right now, it is James Danforth Quayle.

"It sure sounded familiar," Dan Quayle chuckled, his voice coming over the telephone line from Phoenix, 20 years and a lifetime away from the explosion of shock and negative news stories that greeted his ascension to the vice presidential nomination, as it has hers.

McCain campaign strategy takes on a... Media on the defensive over Palin...McCain vows own kind of change

The parallels from two decades ago are eerie: The Republican nominee, older and distanced from the shock troops of his own party, threw aside caution to embrace an unlikely running mate. Just as Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin was plucked from obscurity by John McCain, Indiana Sen. Quayle was delivered by George H.W. Bush.

Quayle, like Palin, was supposed to hook Bush to his party's conservative wing, as skittish then about Bush as it is now about McCain. He was supposed to usher in a new generation of Republicans -- he was 41 to Palin's 44 -- and the strategy was supposed to work particularly well in the industrial Midwest. He was supposed to splay the Democrats and their cultural elitism with his small-town authenticity, just as Palin is supposed to do now.

It worked well for about 10 seconds. He bounded onstage in New Orleans to accept Bush's offer, kissed Barbara Bush, wiped off her lipstick, grabbed George H.W. Bush by the arm and started talking and sweating, as excitable as a new puppy. Things rapidly headed downhill.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-quayle5-2008sep05,0,1175113.story

tacitus
05-03-2009, 01:29 PM
Fear causes people to do strange things. If the left is starting to attack possible 2012 candidates this early, they must be pretty damn sure that the magic negro will be a one term wonder just like the peanut farmer.

hazlnut
05-03-2009, 01:41 PM
Fear causes people to do strange things. If the left is starting to attack possible 2012 candidates this early, they must be pretty damn sure that the magic negro will be a one term wonder just like the peanut farmer.

Do you really not see that name as racist?

Would you say it in front of black person--conservative or liberal?

Lars1701a
05-03-2009, 02:00 PM
Do you really not see that name as racist?

Would you say it in front of black person--conservative or liberal?

No its not racist and yes i would say it.

megimoo
05-03-2009, 02:13 PM
Fear causes people to do strange things. If the left is starting to attack possible 2012 candidates this early, they must be pretty damn sure that the magic negro will be a one term wonder just like the peanut farmer.
You got it.He is for sacrifice after he delivers America to the Communist far left mastered by George Soros and his merry band of West Coast billionare UberLiberal/Marxists !

hazlnut
05-03-2009, 03:24 PM
No its not racist and yes i would say it.

I only see the name 'magic negro' infrequently on general discussion forums--however, I would imagine it shows up more often on white supremacists boards or other forums promoting racism.

I'm wondering if you think your belief that 'negro' is not a term with racist overtones puts you in the majority or minority of conservatives.

Re: whether or not you would use the term in front of a black person--this doesn't prove anything, now that I think about it. A 'closet' racist would not use the term, an 'outspoken' racists would use the term regardless of who he/she might offend..--IMO.

linda22003
05-03-2009, 04:46 PM
It would probably depend on how big a black person it was. ;)

tacitus
05-03-2009, 06:40 PM
Do you really not see that name as racist?

Would you say it in front of black person--conservative or liberal?

Pose the same question to the leaders of the United Negro College Fund! Do you have a white guilt complex? I don't! Negro is a derivative from the Latin word niger for black.

tacitus
05-03-2009, 06:55 PM
Do you really not see that name as racist?

Would you say it in front of black person--conservative or liberal?

Since you seem to be indignant over the term are you equally indignant when the black rappers use the term '******' refering to each other, and do you also question the music companies? Do you question the movie companies when the term 'honkie' is used by a black person when refering to a white person? Save you indignation for someone else.

AlmostThere
05-03-2009, 07:15 PM
Pose the same question to the leaders of the United Negro College Fund! Do you have a white guilt complex? I don't! Negro is a derivative from the Latin word niger for black.

Or the even more 'offensive', National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. :eek:

hazlnut
05-03-2009, 07:46 PM
Pose the same question to the leaders of the United Negro College Fund! Do you have a white guilt complex? I don't! Negro is a derivative from the Latin word niger for black.

Most people see the word 'negro' as archaic and offensive--especially in the use referenced in this thread.

I think the leaders of the UNCF or the NAACP would say the term 'magic negro' used by white people to belittle a black politician as ignorant and bigoted.

Maybe I'm in the minority--but I don't think so.

djones520
05-03-2009, 08:08 PM
Most people see the word 'negro' as archaic and offensive--especially in the use referenced in this thread.

I think the leaders of the UNCF or the NAACP would say the term 'magic negro' used by white people to belittle a black politician as ignorant and bigoted.

Maybe I'm in the minority--but I don't think so.

"Magic Negro" is a term of belittlement. It isn't racist though. It's the same thing as saying Magic Black. Is that racist?

tacitus
05-03-2009, 10:33 PM
Most people see the word 'negro' as archaic and offensive--especially in the use referenced in this thread.

I think the leaders of the UNCF or the NAACP would say the term 'magic negro' used by white people to belittle a black politician as ignorant and bigoted.

Maybe I'm in the minority--but I don't think so.

Who gives a rats ass what they think, or for that matter what you think.

Rockntractor
05-03-2009, 10:54 PM
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/ratsass.jpg?t=1241405596
Who gives a rats ass what they think, or for that matter what you think.
I second the emotion.

noonwitch
05-04-2009, 08:48 AM
Since you seem to be indignant over the term are you equally indignant when the black rappers use the term '******' refering to each other, and do you also question the music companies? Do you question the movie companies when the term 'honkie' is used by a black person when refering to a white person? Save you indignation for someone else.



I don't like it that rappers use that word. I lecture the kids on my caseload every time I hear one of them use it, or when I overhear one of them listening to music about it. I lecture the girls about how wrong it is for Chris Brown to hit Rhianna, and how stupid she is if she takes him back.

On the other hand, I really don't find the word honky offensive, unless it is followed up with bitch. Even then-I've been called that combined term plenty of times. I'm a white, female "baby snatcher" in a mostly black community.


I think the term "Magic Negro" is the type of thing that is offensive if it is yelled at a black person by a white person in public. Compared to some of the stuff I see posted at Free Republic, it's mild.

hazlnut
05-05-2009, 12:18 AM
Back on topic... The Governor of Alaska...

No deliberate sliming is necessary. The Dems can file her under: "Give someone enough rope and..."

When I got into the 'was it fair' conversation with a friend much more right-leaning than myself--I made the point that the media's treatment of her may have not been fair--but it was responsible.

How so?

You can't show up on the national scene and not know the things she didn't know. That fact that she's a Governor didn't tell me she was more qualified than Obama--it made me wonder what the hell is going on in Alaska. How is she the Governor of a state? Exposing her deficiencies, though done out of bias, was responsible to the American public.

My friend made the point: "2012 is a long way off. She could learn, polish her understanding of civics and public policy."

I said, "You mean like take class at a community college?"

To the extent the 'values' voters continue to embrace her, they will pull GOP further from the mainstream. IMHO.

Jfor
05-05-2009, 12:45 AM
Back on topic... The Governor of Alaska...

No deliberate sliming is necessary. The Dems can file her under: "Give someone enough rope and..."

When I got into the 'was it fair' conversation with a friend much more right-leaning than myself--I made the point that the media's treatment of her may have not been fair--but it was responsible.

How so?

You can't show up on the national scene and not know the things she didn't know. That fact that she's a Governor didn't tell me she was more qualified than Obama--it made me wonder what the hell is going on in Alaska. How is she the Governor of a state? Exposing her deficiencies, though done out of bias, was responsible to the American public.

My friend made the point: "2012 is a long way off. She could learn, polish her understanding of civics and public policy."

I said, "You mean like take class at a community college?"

To the extent the 'values' voters continue to embrace her, they will pull GOP further from the mainstream. IMHO.

Seriously... Where do you come up with this crap? How was Gov. Palin less qualified to be VICE PRESIDENT than Obama was to be President? Huh? For that matter, what are Joe Biden's qualifications as an executive? That's right, career politician. The media was irresponsible in their attacks on Gov. Palin because of one simple fact. They were swooning for the socialist ticket. There was no hard hitting interviews with Obama. Why was it Sean Hannity that had been talking about the connection between Ayers and Obama, Wright and Obama and Rezko and Obama, a year before anybody in the lame stream media picked up on it?

And what did Obama know? That we had what 58 states? He continuously is an embarrassment on the world stage. If President Bush had done these things, we would be seeing it non stop n the nightly news. We have a President now that can't say hello to his kids in the morning without a teleprompter. So give the Gov. Palin bashing a rest.

Jfor
05-05-2009, 12:46 AM
Do you really not see that name as racist?

Would you say it in front of black person--conservative or liberal?

ANd this here is the PC bullshit that has been dragging this country down for the last 15 years. SO scared your gonna hurt somebodies feelings. Give it a damn break.

Rockntractor
05-05-2009, 01:01 AM
ANd this here is the PC bullshit that has been dragging this country down for the last 15 years. SO scared your gonna hurt somebodies feelings. Give it a damn break.
I guess every race in america needs to be given a list of words that they may use so we can practice free speech without getting into trouble.

hazlnut
05-05-2009, 01:31 AM
Seriously... Where do you come up with this crap? How was Gov. Palin less qualified to be VICE PRESIDENT than Obama was to be President? Huh? For that matter, what are Joe Biden's qualifications as an executive? That's right, career politician. The media was irresponsible in their attacks on Gov. Palin because of one simple fact. They were swooning for the socialist ticket. There was no hard hitting interviews with Obama.

Seriously, when I first heard 'Governor of Alaska' I pictured an articulate and accomplished woman who grew up in Alaska, went off to a competitive university, then to a top law or business school before returning to her home state to being a career as a public servant. That's who I think Governor's should be. I realize they always aren't, but as an ideal, that's what voter's should demand. The best and the brightest.

The top law and business schools require a person master the type of critical thinking and reasoning skills needed to lead at that level. They also give a person a strong background in economics and public policy. She does not posses any of those skills or that background-- IMO.

Reagan was perhaps the biggest exception to this ideal--he possessed an uncanny and unique ability to communicate a vision and motivate those with different professional backgrounds to carry out that vision. Sarah Palin does not possess that type of communication ability either--IMO.

Every time she opened her mouth--as person with 4-year degree--I winced in disbelief. "You've got to be kidding me?" is the thought the most went through my head. "How does she not know that."

I understand that she remains popular with the base. To me, this is troubling.


Why was it Sean Hannity that had been talking about the connection between Ayers and Obama, Wright and Obama and Rezko and Obama, a year before anybody in the lame stream media picked up on it?

They did--all those relationships were examined and thoroughly vetted by MSM. The far-right just wants to pretend it didn't happen and blame the media for the election outcome.

Question: To what extent was the Obama lovefest (which I agree went on) a reaction to Sarah Palin--a clearly unqualified candidate being placed on a national ticket. To what extent did MSM show favor to Obama in an attempt to prevent Sarah Palin from becoming a heartbeat away from the Presidency of The United States.

Are you familiar with a book called the Peter Principle--a satirical look at hierarchies and how people rise to the level of their incompetence. We had 8 years of Bush--some would argue he is an example of the Peter Principle--under-qualified for the job he ascended to. Sarah Palin, IMP, definitely is. Soccor mom, I get. Small town mayor, I get. Governor? How did that happen?

But then again, I'm from California--shouldn't throw stones in glass houses.


And what did Obama know? That we had what 58 states? He continuously is an embarrassment on the world stage. If President Bush had done these things, we would be seeing it non stop n the nightly news. We have a President now that can't say hello to his kids in the morning without a teleprompter. So give the Gov. Palin bashing a rest.

Back on topic, again, this thread is about Sarah Palin. Pointing to real or imagined shortcomings of our current President is not a logical way to argue her competence.

Then again, maybe my friend is right, a few jr. college courses to brush up on her micro and macro economics and she'll be ready for the national stage.

How about the University of Phoenix? Don't they have an MBA program?

Water Closet
05-05-2009, 08:09 AM
...Every time she opened her mouth--as person with 4-year degree--I winced in disbelief. "You've got to be kidding me?" is the thought the most went through my head. "How does she not know that."...

I'm sure she's as articulate and knowledgeable as most people who graduated from the University of Idaho with a Bachelors in Communication (or was it Journalism?). :D

Lars1701a
05-05-2009, 09:03 AM
I'm sure she's as articulate and knowledgeable as most people who graduated from the University of Idaho with a Bachelors in Communication (or was it Journalism?). :D

She would have made a better VP then the douche bag we have now.


And a better Prez so you keep on mocking her education. Real "centrist" of you.

Lars1701a
05-05-2009, 09:04 AM
Seriously, when I first heard 'Governor of Alaska' I pictured an articulate and accomplished woman who grew up in Alaska, went off to a competitive university, then to a top law or business school before returning to her home state to being a career as a public servant. That's who I think Governor's should be. I realize they always aren't, but as an ideal, that's what voter's should demand. The best and the brightest.

The top law and business schools require a person master the type of critical thinking and reasoning skills needed to lead at that level. They also give a person a strong background in economics and public policy. She does not posses any of those skills or that background-- IMO.

Reagan was perhaps the biggest exception to this ideal--he possessed an uncanny and unique ability to communicate a vision and motivate those with different professional backgrounds to carry out that vision. Sarah Palin does not possess that type of communication ability either--IMO.

Every time she opened her mouth--as person with 4-year degree--I winced in disbelief. "You've got to be kidding me?" is the thought the most went through my head. "How does she not know that."

I understand that she remains popular with the base. To me, this is troubling.



They did--all those relationships were examined and thoroughly vetted by MSM. The far-right just wants to pretend it didn't happen and blame the media for the election outcome.

Question: To what extent was the Obama lovefest (which I agree went on) a reaction to Sarah Palin--a clearly unqualified candidate being placed on a national ticket. To what extent did MSM show favor to Obama in an attempt to prevent Sarah Palin from becoming a heartbeat away from the Presidency of The United States.

Are you familiar with a book called the Peter Principle--a satirical look at hierarchies and how people rise to the level of their incompetence. We had 8 years of Bush--some would argue he is an example of the Peter Principle--under-qualified for the job he ascended to. Sarah Palin, IMP, definitely is. Soccor mom, I get. Small town mayor, I get. Governor? How did that happen?

But then again, I'm from California--shouldn't throw stones in glass houses.



Back on topic, again, this thread is about Sarah Palin. Pointing to real or imagined shortcomings of our current President is not a logical way to argue her competence.

Then again, maybe my friend is right, a few jr. college courses to brush up on her micro and macro economics and she'll be ready for the national stage.

How about the University of Phoenix? Don't they have an MBA program?



You keep deluding yourself on the belief that the MSM vetted him on his links to his racist preacher and weatherman budies.

Jfor
05-05-2009, 09:32 AM
Hazlnut... Your post makes absolutely no sense. So what your saying is that in order for someone to become a governor or president they have to have come from an Ivy League school? Gimme a damn break. Gov. Palin is MUCH more articulate than the teleprompter in chief.

Top law and business schools do not demand crap. Look who our president is. A man that cannot string together 3 sentences without using ah, umm, umm.... He is a failure at public speaking when he does not have his teleprompter with him to tell him what to say.

Governor Palin is popular with the base because she is a true conservative. She is popular because she is everything feminists hate. A successful career woman who is able to balance a job with a family.

Tell me how the lame stream media covered all of Obama's links to Ayers, Wright and Rezko? That's because they only gave lip service to it.

So you think Governor Palin was an unqualified candidate but Obama was qualified? What?

hazlnut
05-05-2009, 09:46 AM
You keep deluding yourself on the belief that the MSM vetted him on his links to his racist preacher and weatherman budies.


If you only watch one news source (rhymes with socks sues warp) then how would you know?

Are you familiar with the Allegory of the Cave? -- Come outside, Lars, the weather is great.:D

Lars1701a
05-05-2009, 09:50 AM
If you only watch one news source (rhymes with socks sues warp) then how would you know?

Are you familiar with the Allegory of the Cave? -- Come outside, Lars, the weather is great.:D

I dont watch fox so whats your point?

I read papers and scan the interwebs.

I get out a hell of alot more then you boy.


Mostly when they brought up the magic negros friends is when conservatives were trying to get the spot light on to them and only to demonize the conservatives for doing so.

hazlnut
05-05-2009, 04:26 PM
I dont watch fox so whats your point?

I read papers and scan the interwebs.

I get out a hell of alot more then you boy.


Mostly when they brought up the magic negros friends is when conservatives were trying to get the spot light on to them and only to demonize the conservatives for doing so.

Tell you what, why don't you sleep it off and give me a sober answer in the morning.

Water Closet
05-05-2009, 04:27 PM
Tell you what, why don't you sleep it off and give me a sober answer in the morning.

I doubt if he's drunk. That seems to be a pretty normal answer for Lars.

patriot45
05-05-2009, 04:38 PM
Seriously, when I first heard 'Governor of Alaska' I pictured an articulate and accomplished woman who grew up in Alaska, went off to a competitive university, then to a top law or business school before returning to her home state to being a career as a public servant. That's who I think Governor's should be. I realize they always aren't, but as an ideal, that's what voter's should demand. The best and the brightest.

The top law and business schools require a person master the type of critical thinking and reasoning skills needed to lead at that level. They also give a person a strong background in economics and public policy. She does not posses any of those skills or that background-- IMO.

Reagan was perhaps the biggest exception to this ideal--he possessed an uncanny and unique ability to communicate a vision and motivate those with different professional backgrounds to carry out that vision. Sarah Palin does not possess that type of communication ability either--IMO.

Every time she opened her mouth--as person with 4-year degree--I winced in disbelief. "You've got to be kidding me?" is the thought the most went through my head. "How does she not know that."

I understand that she remains popular with the base. To me, this is troubling.



They did--all those relationships were examined and thoroughly vetted by MSM. The far-right just wants to pretend it didn't happen and blame the media for the election outcome.

Question: To what extent was the Obama lovefest (which I agree went on) a reaction to Sarah Palin--a clearly unqualified candidate being placed on a national ticket. To what extent did MSM show favor to Obama in an attempt to prevent Sarah Palin from becoming a heartbeat away from the Presidency of The United States.

Are you familiar with a book called the Peter Principle--a satirical look at hierarchies and how people rise to the level of their incompetence. We had 8 years of Bush--some would argue he is an example of the Peter Principle--under-qualified for the job he ascended to. Sarah Palin, IMP, definitely is. Soccor mom, I get. Small town mayor, I get. Governor? How did that happen?

But then again, I'm from California--shouldn't throw stones in glass houses.



Back on topic, again, this thread is about Sarah Palin. Pointing to real or imagined shortcomings of our current President is not a logical way to argue her competence.

Then again, maybe my friend is right, a few jr. college courses to brush up on her micro and macro economics and she'll be ready for the national stage.

How about the University of Phoenix? Don't they have an MBA program?

Putting your ridiculus rant aside, the local and on up government positions should be held by real people like people who actually work and produce something. Palin was a fed up mom who wanted to maake things better and she moved up the ladder. I think all of them should only get one term at each level.

#1 they can only screw up just so much in one term and #2, when they get out after 1 term they have to live and toil under the laws they create!

Common sense and real life work with your hands >phony college credentials.

Water Closet
05-05-2009, 04:41 PM
Putting your ridiculus rant aside, the local and on up government positions should be held by real people like people who actually work and produce something. Palin was a fed up mom who wanted to maake things better and she moved up the ladder. I think all of them should only get one term at each level.

#1 they can only screw up just so much in one term and #2, when they get out after 1 term they have to live and toil under the laws they create!

Common sense and real life work with your hands >phony college credentials.

To quote Palin, you mean "real Americans," don't you. Not those faux Americans who live in dem big cities, like NYC and SF. They certainly ain't no "real Americans."

Rebel Yell
05-05-2009, 04:48 PM
Palin should be more educated, like the man who, just yesterday, celebrated Cinco de Quatro. Right? Too bad the teleprompter wasn't there to correct him.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3_OWAs0aIU

Lars1701a
05-05-2009, 04:56 PM
Tell you what, why don't you sleep it off and give me a sober answer in the morning.

Kiss the fattest part of my ass thanks :)

Lars1701a
05-05-2009, 04:58 PM
I doubt if he's drunk. That seems to be a pretty normal answer for Lars.

Read the above post. Is that pretty clear for you?

patriot45
05-05-2009, 05:07 PM
To quote Palin, you mean "real Americans," don't you. Not those faux Americans who live in dem big cities, like NYC and SF. They certainly ain't no "real Americans."

Exactly! you hit it on the head. We want achievers not moochers. Sarah Palin does not want to increase the dependence on government, on the other hand you do know who does, it starts with a 0.

When you liberal knowitalls finally hit the tipping point, the point where there are more of you moochers than us productive people to carry you, well I guess then we will have to join your ranks.:cool::rolleyes:

Water Closet
05-05-2009, 05:35 PM
Exactly! you hit it on the head. We want achievers not moochers. Sarah Palin does not want to increase the dependence on government, on the other hand you do know who does, it starts with a 0.

When you liberal knowitalls finally hit the tipping point, the point where there are more of you moochers than us productive people to carry you, well I guess then we will have to join your ranks.:cool::rolleyes:

That's an interesting point, p45, i.e., the concept of "productive" members of society. If we measure productivity by how much money someone makes (and therefore contributes in terms of things like spending, taxes, etc.), there are members of this board who, while whining about the way his/her taxes are spent admitted they he/she will probably not make enough money to pay any federal taxes this year. My girlfriend and I make a total of around $450k+, pay taxes on that, and spend a good deal of it back into the economy. Does that make us "productive?" How do you fit into your definition of "productive?" Chop that wood and tote that bale?

hazlnut
05-05-2009, 05:45 PM
Exactly! you hit it on the head. We want achievers not moochers. Sarah Palin does not want to increase the dependence on government

She is the Governor of the biggest Welfare State!!!!!!!!!

**Alaska receives nearly twice as much federal dollars than they contribute to federal income, making it one of the largest beneficiary states.

**Alaska receives $13,950 per capital in federal dollars, the #1 state in the country in per capita fed spending dollars received.

**Alaskans pay no state taxes.

**Anyone making $35,000 or less in Alaska pays no federal income tax.

**Alaska's state/local tax burden is well below the national average of 9.7%. Alaskans pay $2,871 per capita in state and local taxes. They are ranked 50th--the lowest state/local tax burden in the country. In other words, we co-finance their local infrastructure

**Alaska Permanent Fund: A $40 billion fund from oil revenues with an individual payout to residents of $1654.

**Wasilla received $27 million in earmarks under Palin to pay for things like a community center and sewer system repairs. I didn't get a 'Thank You' note, did you?

patriot45
05-05-2009, 05:47 PM
That's an interesting point, p45, i.e., the concept of "productive" members of society. If we measure productivity by how much money someone makes (and therefore contributes in terms of things like spending, taxes, etc.), there are members of this board who, while whining about the way his/her taxes are spent admitted they he/she will probably not make enough money to pay any federal taxes this year. My girlfriend and I make a total of around $450k+, pay taxes on that, and spend a good deal of it back into the economy. Does that make us "productive?" How do you fit into your definition of "productive?" Chop that wood and tote that bale?


Well, let me tell you that I dont make 1/4 of what you guys make. But, I own a business that provides a service, I buy materials,etc, that gets used in the economy. I employ 6 people, who also do not make what you do, but we are what I call productive. I do not think that I should "give back" any of my "good luck" when I do get a nice high profit job.

The government does not exist to just find social programs and create taxes to fund them. But that is the direction the 0 is taking us. I think that you and every one else should not have thier taxes taken out of your paychecks, you should have to write that check out to pay for all the taxes on 4/15, you would see it my way better.

Water Closet
05-05-2009, 05:58 PM
Well, let me tell you that I dont make 1/4 of what you guys make. But, I own a business that provides a service, I buy materials,etc, that gets used in the economy. I employ 6 people, who also do not make what you do, but we are what I call productive. I do not think that I should "give back" any of my "good luck" when I do get a nice high profit job.

The government does not exist to just find social programs and create taxes to fund them. But that is the direction the 0 is taking us. I think that you and every one else should not have thier taxes taken out of your paychecks, you should have to write that check out to pay for all the taxes on 4/15, you would see it my way better.

While I don't now own a business (I did from 91-96), the company I work for generates hundreds of millions in taxes. I and my girlfriend generate a pile of taxes and pump bags of money back into the economy. I think we might be considered more productive than some of the slugs here who whine about the way the taxes they don't pay are spent, don't you?

So, I've an idea. Let's disenfranchise all people who don't make over $100k (this is a variant of the Heinlein juvenalia, Starship Troopers) as they do not really contribute to society, i.e., they're not "productive." Let's then see how many votes Palin might garner under that voter demographic.

patriot45
05-05-2009, 06:21 PM
palin vs. obama - a side by side comparison
Published Aug. 31, 2008

abuseOffice being sought -

Palen-Vice President

Obama-President of the United States and Leader of the Free World

Full name

Sarah Louise Heath Palin

Barack Hussein Obama II

Nickname

Sarah Barracuda

Barry Obama; "The One"

Public opinion

Palin - Smoking hot in a "naughty librarian" sort of way

Obama - May be The Messiah

Age

Palin-44

Obama-48

Children

Palin-5: two sons, three daughters

Obama-2: two daughters

Religion/Church attendance

Palin-Evangelical Christian;attends Juneau Christian Center when in Juneau and grew up attending Wasilla Assembly of God

Obama-Attended Trinity United Church of Christ for 20 years, a "black liberation theology" church formerly led by Rev. Jeremiah Wright and governed according to the Black Value System

Current Job

Palin-Governor of Alaska

Obama-Junior Senator from Illinois

Previous Public Jobs

Palin-Mayor of Wasilla, AK (1996-2002); President of Alaska Conference of Mayors; City Council member (1992-1996)

Obama-State Senator (1997-2004); Community Organizer

Executive Experience
Palin-Governor for 2 years; Mayor for 10 years

Obama-None

Foreign Relations experience

Palin-Governor of state that borders two foreign countries (Canada and Russia)

Obama-Chaired Senate subcommittee on Europe but never called it into session;once gave a speech to 200,000 screaming Germans

Military Affairs experience
Palin-Commander in Chief of Alaska National Guard;Son is enlisted Infantryman in U.S. Army

Obama-None

Private Sector Experience

Palin-Sports reporter;Salmon fisherman

Obama-Associate at civil rights law firm

Speaking ability

Palin-Beautifully executed initial stump speech in Dayton, OH hockey arena without a teleprompter

Obama-An enter...wait--did you say without a teleprompter??

Spouse's name

Palin-Todd Mitchell Palin

Obama-Michelle LaVaughn Robinson Obama

Spouse's occupation

Palin-Salmon fisherman; Former North Slope production supervisor for BP Oil

Obama-Vice President for Community and External Affairs at University of Chicago Hospitals;former Associate Dean of Student Services at the University of Chicago;former Executive Director for the Chicago office of Public Allies;former Assistant to the Mayor of Chicago;former associate at Sidley Austin law firm

Reaction to spouse's political success

Palin-Quit 17-year BP oil job when BP became involved in natural gas pipeline negotiations with wife's administration

Obama-Promoted and given 160% pay raise by UofC hospitals within months of husband's election to U.S. Senate;Employer received $1,000,000.00 federal earmark, requested by husband, after her promotion

Coolest thing about Spouse
Palin-Tesoro Iron Dog Snowmobile race champion (longest snowmobile race in the world);In 2008, while defending his championship, was injured when he was thrown 70 feet from his machine. He was sent to the hospital but still finished in fourth place

Obama-Sister of Oregon State University head basketball coach Craig Robinson

Most Courageous Moment in Public Service

Palin-Resigned in protest from position of Ethics Commissioner of Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission in order to expose legal violations and conflicts of interest of Alaska Republican leaders, including the former state Attorney General and the State GOP Chairman (who was also an Oil & Gas Commissioner), who was doing work for the party on public time and supplying a lobbyist with a sensitive e-mail.

Obama-Gave an anti-Iraq war speech to a crowd of anti-Iraq war demonstrators in Hyde Park in 2002

In Current Office Because...

Palin-Upset sitting Governor in GOP primary due to public support for her efforts to clean up corrupt government establishment

Obama-Republican opponent, who was leading in the polls, was forced to leave race after unsealing of divorce records exposed a sex scandal

Theme:

Palin-Change and Clean Government

Obama-Hope and Change; "Bringing Change from Outside Washington"

What they've done to live that theme:
Palin-Replaced entire Board of Agriculture and Conservation because of conflict of interest;Resigned from position of Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission in order to expose corruption among members of own party

Obama-Selected 36-year incumbent Senator as running mate

Family Affairs

Palin-May have removed State Public Safety Commissioner as part of effort to protect sister in messy divorce and child custody battle

Obama-Often says, "I am my brother's keeper";Brother lives in a hut in Nairobi on $12 per year

Union affiliation

Palin-Union member, married to Union member

Obama-Endorsed by a union

Iraq and Troop Support

Palin-Formerly (pre-surge) critical of apparent lack of long-term strategy for Iraq;Visited wounded U.S. soldiers in Germany;visited AK National Guard soldiers deployed to Kuwait;Son deploying to Iraq on 9/11/08 as Army infantryman

Obama-Gave an anti-Iraq war speech to a crowd of anti-Iraq war demonstrators;almost visited wounded troops in Germany, but decided to go shopping in Berlin instead

Bipartisan/"maverick" credentials
Palin-Married to a non-Republican;Exposed corruption within own party;Campaigned for Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell against corrupt GOP congressman Don Young;Called out Sen Ted Stevens (R-AK) to "come clean" about financial dealings that are under fed investigation

Obama-Talks about bipartisanship

Legislative Record

Palin-Passed a landmark ethics reform bill;Used veto to cut budgetary spending;Prevented "bridge to nowhere" that would have cost taxpayers $400 million dollars.

Obama-Voted "present" over 100 times as IL state senator

How they dealt with corrupt individuals in home city/state

Palin-Exposed legal violations and conflicts of interest of Alaska Republican leaders; Campaigned against corrupt GOP Representative;Ran against and defeated corrupt incumbent governor in GOP primary

Obama-Launched political career in home of unrepentant domestic terrorist Bill Ayers (and still refers to him as a part of "mainstream Democratic Chicago";Purchased home with help of convicted felon Tony Rezko

Guns
Palin-Lifetime member of NRA and avid hunter;video can be found on YouTube of Palin firing an M4 at a military firing range

Obama-Worked to pass legislation in Illinois that would prevent all law-abiding citizens from owning firearms

Earmarks

Palin-Opposed "Bridge to Nowhere" project;Said Alaska should avoid relying on federal money for projects;Campaigned against porker Don Young (R-AK) in 2008 primary

Obama-Secured federal earmarks for wife's employer and for campaign bundlers

Abortion

Palin-Pro life;gave birth to 5th child knowing that he would have Down's syndrome

Obama-Pro-choice; only IL state sen. to speak against the Born Alive Infant's Protection Act, which required medical care to be given to live infants who survived abortions

Energy
Palin-Believes energy independence is a matter of national security;For drilling in ANWR, which is in her state

Obama-Says Americans should "get tune-ups" and "check tire pressure";Says "we can't expect the world to be okay with" our use of heating and air conditioning

Environment
Palin-Chair of Alaska Conservation Commission (2003-4);Announced plans to create sub-cabinet group of advisors to address climate change and reduce greenhouse gas emissions in AK

Obama-Talks about the environment a lot

Athletic prowess

Palin-Runs marathons

Obama-Has reporters tailing him to the gym

Water Closet
05-05-2009, 06:31 PM
I'm not sure what your post even means. However, you stated that there were "productive" members of society and "moochers" and that's the point I wanted to pursue. Who is "productive?" Trailer trash slugs who pay little or no taxes, who spend little or nothing because they don't make the money?

It's quite amusing to watch people who make $50k complain about their taxes, their contribution, their rights when, in reality, they pay s**t in federal taxes.

You don't get away that easily, p45. What's your definition of "productive" as opposed to "moochers?" Let's let the people who pay 95% of the taxes in this country (a number often quoted on this board) decide if they want to vote for Palin or not.

patriot45
05-05-2009, 09:57 PM
I'm not sure what your post even means. However, you stated that there were "productive" members of society and "moochers" and that's the point I wanted to pursue. Who is "productive?" Trailer trash slugs who pay little or no taxes, who spend little or nothing because they don't make the money?

It's quite amusing to watch people who make $50k complain about their taxes, their contribution, their rights when, in reality, they pay s**t in federal taxes.

You don't get away that easily, p45. What's your definition of "productive" as opposed to "moochers?" Let's let the people who pay 95% of the taxes in this country (a number often quoted on this board) decide if they want to vote for Palin or not.


I'm back from getting my ass kicked at Texas hold-em at the ELKs club. I didn't want to get off easy, my last post was just to show you what a farce the 0 is compared to a relatively unknown conservative, the 0 really has no credentials, Did you notice?

I think I explained what is a producer is. I contribute to the economy, I employ people. What exactly do you do to "earn" your 450g's. Oh yeah you pay your taxes, but are you a moocher?

Now, a moocher could be someone of higher learning, say a psychologist or some other useless profession. They could make alot of money and expouse some goofy profound things but the last thing they are is a productive member of society.

Your turn.

Water Closet
05-05-2009, 10:14 PM
I'm back from getting my ass kicked at Texas hold-em at the ELKs club. I didn't want to get off easy, my last post was just to show you what a farce the 0 is compared to a relatively unknown conservative, the 0 really has no credentials, Did you notice?

I think I explained what is a producer is. I contribute to the economy, I employ people. What exactly do you do to "earn" your 450g's. Oh yeah you pay your taxes, but are you a moocher?

Now, a moocher could be someone of higher learning, say a psychologist or some other useless profession. They could make alot of money and expouse some goofy profound things but the last thing they are is a productive member of society.

Your turn.

Again, I'm not accusing you of being a moocher, I simply think you should be more careful of throwing that distinction around. Our taxes on that $450k are around $100k. How about yours? What do you contribute? Right, you've got a company that employs 6 people. What are their combined taxes?

It seems like you would like to define a moocher as someone in a profession you don't think is particularly useful, i.e., "goofy." But that's a pretty soft criteria. I happen to think that Sarah Palin is pretty "goofy." Does that make her a moocher?

btw, there's another thread you could join on this discussion so we don't hijack this one. You'll see it.

patriot45
05-05-2009, 10:22 PM
Again, I'm not accusing you of being a moocher, I simply think you should be more careful of throwing that distinction around. Our taxes on that $450k are around $100k. How about yours? What do you contribute? Right, you've got a company that employs 6 people. What are their combined taxes?

It seems like you would like to define a moocher as someone in a profession you don't think is particularly useful, i.e., "goofy." But that's a pretty soft criteria. I happen to think that Sarah Palin is pretty "goofy." Does that make her a moocher?

btw, there's another thread you could join on this discussion so we don't hijack this one. You'll see it.

I am already on your 87% thread! I don't think Sarah is goofy. My opinion against yours.

Water Closet
05-05-2009, 10:27 PM
I am already on your 87% thread! I don't think Sarah is goofy. My opinion against yours.

That's the point. If your criteria for deciding who's a producer and who's a moocher is as soft as thinking a person or a profession is "goofy" (your word) then it's always going to be "my opinion against yours." If we take hard numbers, i.e., how much do you contribute in taxes, as a measure, the defrintion of "producers" vs. "moochers" may be a bit more consistent. If we do that, however, we've got a hell of a lot of "moochers" here compared to us'n "producers." And, amazingly enough, many of those moochers are the very one complaining about how their taxes (such as they are) are spent! :eek:

patriot45
05-05-2009, 10:30 PM
That's the point. If your criteria for deciding who's a producer and who's a moocher is as soft as thinking a person or a profession is "goofy" (your word) then it's always going to be "my opinion against yours." If we take hard numbers, i.e., how much do you contribute in taxes, as a measure, the defrintion of "producers" vs. "moochers" may be a bit more consistent. If we do that, however, we've got a hell of a lot of "moochers" here compared to us'n "producers." And, amazingly enough, many of those moochers are the very one complaining about how their taxes (such as they are) are spent! :eek:

You are being a dick. You already said you make in excess of 450 gs. you will be paying more taxes than I do. But are you productive or worthless? I know, its soft thinking, but think about it.

Water Closet
05-05-2009, 10:36 PM
You are being a dick. You already said you make in excess of 450 gs. you will be paying more taxes than I do. But are you productive or worthless? I know, its soft thinking, but think about it.

How am I "being a dick?" You're the one who first posited the distinction between "producers" and "moochers" in defense of Palin's "real Americans" remark. I'm merely trying to get some hard criteria so I can ferret out them moochers (and maybe put them up against the wall). It seemed to me that the most consistent, non-subjective criteria might be "how much do you contribute to the economy?" Seems fair to me.

And then, based on that criteria, lo and behold, what did I discover? Well, many of our fellow board members, some of whom complain the loudest about how their taxes are being spent, don't contribute s**t according to that criteria. Therefore, I deemed them "moochers." What's wrong with the logic?

patriot45
05-05-2009, 10:44 PM
Well, many of our fellow board members, some of whom complain the loudest about how their taxes are being spent, don't contribute s**t according to that criteria. Therefore, I deemed them "moochers." What's wrong with the logic?

That sounds elitist. I bitch pretty loud about how our taxes are being spent but I don'y pay anywhere near your taxes. I'm complaining, how come you are not?