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Bill inGA
07-03-2008, 12:39 PM
UP has gone over the edge with the DUmmies. I think they are finally tired of having enough to step around her furballs and seldom cleaned cat box called posts.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3559235#3559254


undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-03-08 11:45 AM
Original message
Copyright is fraud.
"If creativity is the field, copyright is the fence".
John Oswald..

And to think these greedy invasive corporate parasites think they violate peoples rights by demanding IP addresses. They do these"crackdowns to get control over our lives,The CORPORATIONS that want our Identifying information and violating our right to privacy and stifling the urge to create ,express and share are doing this to keep perpetuating a fucking FRAUD!!! Via-com and others like them are criminals those who think they can own ideas and thoughts,they do nothing good for artists except to limit them to force people to see and hear what the CORPORATIONS want. CORPORATIONS are non existing paper only fantasies made up by robber barons,a fraud in of itself, The corporate person-hood is all fraud and ownership is a lie lie,property is theft..All these fucked up people pushing lies on us make possible the kinds of selfish arrogant criminals who steal and fence in humanities creativity, thoughts and art.Seeking to shake down people, destroy the constitution just to fine them ,and to find beauty lock it in a vault that no one can see or hear without forking over money.

How did this pay to exist bullshit start? WE are born here not by our choice yet born into a contract that is non negotiable. Our natural birthright has been stolen and plundered and has a price tag put on it and than it is sold back to us.This game is a fraud. WHY do we have to pay some rich asshole that could care less if we live or die,to exist asking permission to create, because we so believe the fantasy of owning property. Kill and die for fucking insane unreal LIES!!!.Where do our own thoughts and ideas come from where do es my creativity stop and yours begin? There is NOTHING new under the sun, people..? Leave creative people ALONE. Leave the NET alone.Get the greed heads OUT.They are BAD people.Poison.

Fuck the corporations they are not even real people they should in a sane world have no rights at all.But these paper fictions got more rights than most people do in this country and that shit needs to stop NOW. Get with it,all you has beens,and asshole CEO thug psychopath pigs,and insecure artists who forgot what creativity is,
Because fact is we don't own SHIT in this world, not even our own bodies.Freedom needs no fences and excuses to control creativity,and by proxy peoples lives and minds because the Riaa failed. When corporations owned the music and decided what got airplay ,music took a fast turn to sucks-ville.

Clinging to past ideas and extorting others through them and limiting what they can create, by those who have none and have lost their inspiration is just revolting .Fuck Riaa,Fuck Via-com And FUCK COPYRIGHT.

I was approached by a publisher who liked my writing,and offered me a book deal.I considered it, I would have possibly made a decent amount but I decided not to publish in book form Why? Because I wanted my thoughts to be SHARED. (I wanted to live off the gov't teet) I value walking my talk over perpetuating the myth of property. copyright. So I put my thoughts on the web. My art.. I wanted people to read it,copy it ,distribute it,expand it,use it,share it, create different ideas with it,and enjoy it without MONEY or bullshit property theft entering into the equation..I never owned anything, nobody does once it leaves their mind in word song or art it is out there.That is reality... Once my idea is expressed,in any form it is communication and it is a gift to anyone to use.That is reality. I create and let it go. (kinda like when you eat then take a dump) I don't own my art or words anymore than I own the air I breathe. When I die I no longer control my body and all my stuff I never really possessed is no longer called mine and it goes to other people's hands..What about this fact of REALITY these fuckers don't GET!!!WTF is wrong with people that they cannot face this reality... that we own nothing? And so if we own nothing we OWE nothing to anyone.

Intellectual Property as Fraud

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http://subsol.c3.hu/subsol_2/contributors0/nimustext.html

Intellectual "property" does not behave like material property. If I give you a physical object I may no longer have use or control of that thing, and may ask for something in return -- some payment or barter. But when I give you an idea, I lose nothing. I can still use that idea as I wish. I need ask nothing in return.

The laws of exchange of matter being so very different from the laws of exchange of information, any attempt to trade ideas with material goods was destined for trouble sooner or later.

Not only do people hold on to ideas for material gain, they also hang on to them for psychological gain. The ego likes to be identified as the source of a particular insight or concept. But what right has the ego to attach itself to something that was never its in the first place?

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Thoughts are free. They should remain free, and be given freely.

And, following the universal law, the more we give the more we shall receive.

http://anticopyright.com /


The DUmmies slap the kittie:


msongs (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-03-08 11:47 AM
Response to Original message
1. can I come to your house and take all your stuff? after all "the more we give..." nt

wtmusic (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-03-08 11:49 AM
Response to Original message
2. Cool. Then I can start another website called DemocraticUnderground
and tell the big corporation behind it to piss off.

skooooo (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-03-08 11:49 AM
Response to Original message
3. Wow this is way over the top.

Copyright is not fraud. It has a place. The problem is that the laws have gone overboard in some instances in extending the right beyond what it should. That, however, does not make the idea of copyright fraud.

bryant69 (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-03-08 11:50 AM
Response to Original message
4. Why do so many artists and creators seem eager to protect their intellectual property?
Are they just selfish assholes?

I take it you favor an abolishment of the capitalist system? I'm not sure about the art and culture produced under communism - seems like the western democracies have done a lot better in that regard.

SteelPenguin (854 posts) Thu Jul-03-08 11:56 AM
Response to Original message
5. Current Copyright Law is Flawed
We do need some sort of copyright law though, if only to protect the small independent writer/artist/musician.

without copyright law everything is public domain which would screw the little guy far more than the current system does.

A musician records a piece of music, maybe pays for studio time to make a good quality recording, and then puts the files online. Then a big record company downloads them, and puts them on a CD and sells it. The original artist gets nothing for this, the record company makes millions, and doesn't have to pay the artist a dime.

A writer/artist creates a character and writes a graphic novel, and puts it on the web in PDF form for all to enjoy. Disney then takes it and makes 10 straight to video cartoons, 2 major CGI cartoon movies, and thousands of marketing tie in materials, as well as brand new graphic novels that they pump out one every two weeks using anonymous artists. They make millions, if not billions, while the original creator is still working unpaid on their second novel.

Why should megacorporations profit from the hard work of the independent writer and artist and musician? This is what would happen without copyright law.

The current laws are ridiculous. They last too long, and take away too many fair uses. They need to be pulled back, but they need to exist to protect the little guy.

Wickerman (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-03-08 11:57 AM
Response to Original message
6. as long as we have a capitalistic society, or any society that exists
on a monetary basis, then we need to have some sort of basis from which to protect those who produce a product so they might profit off of it. Not so much as to enrich the producer, (though, within the constraints of existing society, not a bad thing) but to prevent others for exploiting same.

AspieGrrl (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-03-08 11:57 AM
Response to Original message
7. Um, but what if the creative people want money for their work?
Edited on Thu Jul-03-08 11:58 AM by AspieGrrl
Yes, those bad, bad people. Actually wanting to get paid for doing their jobs.

I take it you'd work for free?

Yeah, people can be overzealous with copyright. That doesn't make it a bad thing.

Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-03-08 11:58 AM
Response to Original message
8. I'm a writer
Do you honestly believe that I should put my work out there without protection, without proclaiming my ownership of it? Would it have more validity if anyone else could claim it as their own and I was left with nothing?

Thoughts, indeed, are free. No one can enslave your mind without your cooperation. But once those thoughts are translated into something tangible, they become property - the property of the person who did the work.

Someone has a serious misunderstanding of copyright law, of ownership, of creativity, of getting paid for your work.

megimoo
07-03-2008, 01:56 PM
UP has gone over the edge with the DUmmies. I think they are finally tired of having enough to step around her furballs and seldom cleaned cat box called posts.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3559235#3559254



The DUmmies slap the kittie:Wow she has gone further into madness than most at the DUmp !

"I was approached by a publisher who liked my writing,and offered me a book deal.I considered it, I would have possibly made a decent amount but I decided not to publish in book form Why? Because I wanted my thoughts to be SHARED."

If she were aproached by anyone they would have backup , a large net and a stun gun !

x5060
07-03-2008, 02:51 PM
This is refreshing. Watching UGP's decent into madness.

Shannon
07-03-2008, 03:31 PM
What a friggin nutjob.:rolleyes:

movie buff
07-03-2008, 03:42 PM
This is refreshing. Watching UGP's decent into madness.

UP descended into madness a LONG time ago. She does, after all, believe that she is a male panther trapped in the body of an obese female human.

Teetop
07-03-2008, 04:30 PM
We, at CU, should find all of undergroundbuttsniffincat's artwork and copyright it. That would really send her over the edge, if us evil rethuglicans made money on her artwork.

:D

Jumpy
07-03-2008, 05:42 PM
She is a selfish mentally ill parasite on the rest of us. She wants to take take take, and give nothing in return. I wonder where she thinks all of the assistance that she receives comes from? It comes from the folks that are willing, and able to work. All the while she wants to begrudge those folks from profiting from their hard work. gimme gimme gimme = Underground Panther.

meh.. she is insane. A mean insane one.. I pity her more than anything.

SarasotaRepub
07-03-2008, 06:22 PM
She is a selfish mentally ill parasite on the rest of us. She wants to take take take, and give nothing in return. I wonder where she thinks all of the assistance that she receives comes from? It comes from the folks that are willing, and able to work. All the while she wants to begrudge those folks from profiting from their hard work. gimme gimme gimme = Underground Panther.

meh.. she is insane. A mean insane one.. I pity her more than anything.

That'll set her/him/furball off but good Jumpy!!! :D

Jumpy
07-03-2008, 09:11 PM
That'll set her/him/furball off but good Jumpy!!! :D

I wonder how we would know if the sluggish kitty was set off? :eek:

SarasotaRepub
07-03-2008, 09:58 PM
I wonder how we would know if the sluggish kitty was set off? :eek:


Severe shedding and hotspots. :D

Elspeth
07-04-2008, 01:56 PM
UP descended into madness a LONG time ago. She does, after all, believe that she is a male panther trapped in the body of an obese female human.

UP has always been a head case.

jinxmchue
07-04-2008, 08:27 PM
Behold the results of insanity, drug use and communist values.

Jumpy
07-04-2008, 08:50 PM
I read most of that thread. Gotta say, DUers are rough on her! Meaner than most of us would ever be. :eek:

Dan D. Doty
07-04-2008, 09:32 PM
This is refreshing. Watching UGP's decent into madness.

She hit the bottom some time ago, and is now digging her way into a new realm beyond the scope of human understanding.

Wonder why her family hasn't sent her to the nervous hospital by now; God knows if she's this paranoid and delusional that she might well be a danger to herself and others.

Gingersnap
07-05-2008, 11:31 AM
PS #3: Last I heard, a panther was a predatory animal, a clever hunter, and a fearsome presence in the forest. Not a whiner, not a beggar who looks for someone to "grant it disability." But I could be wrong about panthers.

Redstone

This is indeed the very finest UP rant that I have read.

ArmyRet
07-05-2008, 11:38 AM
This is indeed the very finest UP rant that I have read.


seriousstan (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-03-08 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #173
177. You must be talking about aboveground panthers.

That made me laugh. :D

Gingersnap
07-05-2008, 12:05 PM
That made me laugh. :D

I saw that too! LOL!

Usually UP's ravings about corporate Amerika are either tolerated or even supported by the DUmp but she made the mistake of including "art" in the conversation. A lot of people there fancy themselves artists of one kind or another. The idea that they should just give away intellectual property rights hit to close too home.

This is an example of UP's art:

http://i32.tinypic.com/ftzgia.jpg

It's interesting. There are already several very well known tarot decks that use cat imagery. This seems more anthropogenic, almost heading into Furry art. She may also be a Furry for all I know. If the rest of deck is similar, I could see this as a potentially profitable product at psychic fairs and Furry Cons.

Bubba Dawg
07-05-2008, 12:15 PM
UP descended into madness a LONG time ago. She does, after all, believe that she is a male panther trapped in the body of an obese female human.


Poor Guy..sounds like he's got more pussy than he can handle.

x5060
07-05-2008, 12:18 PM
She hit the bottom some time ago, and is now digging her way into a new realm beyond the scope of human understanding.

Wonder why her family hasn't sent her to the nervous hospital by now; God knows if she's this paranoid and delusional that she might well be a danger to herself and others.

We never were sure how far the hole goes, now we know that there really isnt a bottom. It just keeps going.

hampshirebrit
07-05-2008, 01:28 PM
This is indeed the very finest UP rant that I have read.

It so is!! UP is operating at "state of the art" level with this one. :D

Hilarious and sad at the same time.

I sometimes have wondered if UP is just someone's sock.

SarasotaRepub
07-05-2008, 01:48 PM
I knew Redstone would make a comment like he did since he's in the
middle of getting some internet idea covered as Intellectual Property.
:D

ArmyRet
07-05-2008, 02:02 PM
UP had posted some links to it's written work in the thread, and I found this quite amusing considering the rant concerning copyrights:


SPQR (303 posts) Fri Jul-04-08 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #242
252. Should we find it amusing
that the OP's written pieces at the posted links are "copyrighted by the author"?

Alas, it got locked before UP could try to explain that. :mad:

movie buff
07-07-2008, 09:34 AM
It's interesting. There are already several very well known tarot decks that use cat imagery. This seems more anthropogenic, almost heading into Furry art. She may also be a Furry for all I know.

She is, indeed, a Furry, by her own admission. As I mentioned on my previous post in this thread, she honestly believes that she is in fact a male panther trapped in the body of an obese female human.

Gingersnap
07-07-2008, 10:36 AM
She is, indeed, a Furry, by her own admission. As I mentioned on my previous post in this thread, she honestly believes that she is in fact a male panther trapped in the body of an obese female human.

I thought Furries just wanted to pretend to be animals. UP really believes she is one.

RockerWolf
07-05-2010, 03:21 PM
I thought Furries just wanted to pretend to be animals. UP really believes she is one.

Um, actually people like UP are in the minority.

1948 (62.28%) respondents said they considered themselves completely human,with 123 (3.89%) saying they did not consider themselves human.

http://www.klisoura.com/ot_furrysurvey.php

Because to me that is stereotying and the same as saying that everyone who listens to heavy metal is a demon worshiper. I listen to heavy metal and i'm a Catholic.

Gingersnap
07-05-2010, 03:35 PM
Um, actually people like UP are in the minority.

1948 (62.28%) respondents said they considered themselves completely human,with 123 (3.89%) saying they did not consider themselves human.

http://www.klisoura.com/ot_furrysurvey.php

Because to me that is stereotying and the same as saying that everyone who listens to heavy metal is a demon worshiper. I listen to heavy metal and i'm a Catholic.

You are unaware of UP's history. UP is not a furry. UP is a woman who believes that she is a male cat. She has been undergoing surgery to make her more "male" and wants surgery to make her more "catlike". She has been in and out of mental health facilities for many years. She has an elaborate delusional worldview that involves spirit possession/transmigration of animal souls into human bodies. She makes a distinction between "people" like herself who are misplaced animals and actual humans.

She would probably consider the furry community to be offensive posers. ;)

aka:PBS
07-05-2010, 03:39 PM
Book Lover (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-03-08 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. How do you make your living? (nm)



seriousstan (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-03-08 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #14
26. Living off the toil of others. Many posts to substantiate that claim.
Working with others would make her so mad she would physically injure them. So for the sake of others, she doesn't work. Use search, it is an entertaining read.



undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-03-08 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #39
59. resent much.
Edited on Thu Jul-03-08 03:50 PM by undergroundpanther
My life is not easy. Come into my life and know me, you might find out how little you know about my situation.Everyday I fight off urges to kill myself, I lose track of presence, I can't follow through sometimes, images and memories intrude upon my mind and scare the shit out of me,I startle and I climb the walls with anxiety.I don't sleep, even with drugs to knock me out I get around 4 hours on a good night or morning because I cannot sleep until the sun rises.But you don't see that part of my life in posts online so for you it does not exist..You can pretend all sorts of things about me and project it all to justify your resenting.

No I don't think work is cruel, I think the systemic EXPLOITATION of people is cruel.I think corporations demand to much,take too much and give back too little.I think people need more time to themselves,to slow down,to get what they need and to rest and find satisfaction.

I think capitalism is sick and the corporate model is psychopathic.The results of the way people live are crystal clear that it is not healthy, that it isn't sustainable,it isn't working and it is crushing people.

I speak against work and exploitation of workers out of compassion.
I live in my moms house in this area I could charge a lot more for the rooms I share. I just charge enough to cover the bills and food for us all.If I was a money chaser I wouldn't be living below the poverty line, myself would I?My roommate has debts, he can pay them off because I don't charge the average rates others who want profits would charge.I care.I want us all to survive,and live.

I am aware enough to know if the market crashes many people who depend on corporations will suffer and the more they plug into the system the more they'll defend it no matter how bad it fucks people over because they have come to think they need it.I can think these thoughts because I am not plugged into the work system.If I was working I wouldn't have time or the mental space to question these things.

Abused kids cannot think of the parents they depend on for everything as being the same people that beat and rape them at the same time,because the truth of that betrayal would drive them insane.
So they learn to cope by splitting off the conflicting realities and compartmentalizing the images of their parents ,this splits the kids mind into two different persons just to survive in a hostile situation that they have to depend on and stay in to survive.

I feel many people have done a similar mind trick to save their sanity in regard to the bad relationship and financial abuse they endure working for psychopathic corporations.Corporations have become like abusive parents ,Employees depend on but don't like to think could fire them at any time for any reason, and care less about their lives or who gets hurt.

The pattern is there.And it is very sad.
It makes my heart ache.That same pattern made my mind break.

But I doubt you'd dare see it that way because you are desperate for reasons only you know and deny,and so decided to resent the hell out of me to ease whatever bothers you..

Sorry your life sucks on some level.Mine sucks too but in a different way..Alot of peoples lives suck these days.

I do know this: satisfied happy people don't
bother with resenting others lives because they are happy with what they have. I don't see many happy satisfied people in this world. It's tragic.From your posts and your ongoing resentments you sound really miserable.


Wow.........just wow

SarasotaRepub
07-05-2010, 05:26 PM
Wow.........just wow

She/It is as bad as bobbolink. Question her about anything and she attacks. :rolleyes:

Gingersnap
07-05-2010, 05:35 PM
I should point out that this thread is 2 years old.

Speedy
07-05-2010, 05:43 PM
undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-03-08 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #39
59. resent much.
Edited on Thu Jul-03-08 03:50 PM by undergroundpanther
My life is not easy. Come into my life and know me, you might find out how little you know about my situation.Everyday I fight off urges to kill myself

I could make some mean smarmy comment here, but I won't.

NJCardFan
07-05-2010, 05:57 PM
Here's the thing about UP. This woman in this soundbite sounds totally sane compared to that freak:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMK9zxb5HyE&feature=player_embedded

SarasotaRepub
07-05-2010, 06:37 PM
I should point out that this thread is 2 years old.

And your point is? Come on, it's UGP. :D

Constitutionally Speaking
07-05-2010, 09:41 PM
Underground Panther is a self righteous prig. She/it thinks it is not just OK but GOOD that she is enslaving others to support her lifestyle.

CueSi
07-05-2010, 10:05 PM
You are unaware of UP's history. UP is not a furry. UP is a woman who believes that she is a male cat. She has been undergoing surgery to make her more "male" and wants surgery to make her more "catlike". She has been in and out of mental health facilities for many years. She has an elaborate delusional worldview that involves spirit possession/transmigration of animal souls into human bodies. She makes a distinction between "people" like herself who are misplaced animals and actual humans.

She would probably consider the furry community to be offensive posers. ;)

She is what is known as Otherkin. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otherkin) Non serious definition (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Otherkin).

Not even furries take Otherkin seriously.

~QC

Gingersnap
07-05-2010, 10:46 PM
She is what is known as Otherkin. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otherkin) Non serious definition (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Otherkin).

Not even furries take Otherkin seriously.

~QC

I learn something new here every day. Usually bad things. :D

Rockntractor
07-05-2010, 11:21 PM
That is a good thread it wouldn't make it on the new kinder gentler DU.

RockerWolf
07-05-2010, 11:45 PM
She is what is known as Otherkin. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otherkin) Non serious definition (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Otherkin).

Not even furries take Otherkin seriously.

~QC

Of course i consider them weres or Therians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q77sJT8O56E

I blame the twilight series and movies for it,surpisingly it hasn't hit my town in Hawai'i yet,which is a good thing.

noonwitch
07-07-2010, 08:49 AM
She is what is known as Otherkin. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otherkin) Non serious definition (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Otherkin).

Not even furries take Otherkin seriously.

~QC




She's a schizophrenic, with delusions. That's why she can't deal with therapists, and why psychiatrists want to medicate her into oblivion. She also has a very creative imagination, which fuels her delusions, and has obviously found some surgeons who also have helped continue her delusions.


35 years ago, she would have been in a state hospital for the rest of her life.

Zafod
07-07-2010, 12:13 PM
We, at CU, should find all of undergroundbuttsniffincat's artwork and copyright it. That would really send her over the edge, if us evil rethuglicans made money on her artwork.

:D

is she a fury?

RockerWolf
07-07-2010, 02:46 PM
is she a fury?

No she's otherkin. She is so extreme she would be kicked out of Furaffinity.

Gingersnap
07-07-2010, 02:55 PM
No she's otherkin. She is so extreme she would be kicked out of Furaffinity.

No, she's a schizophrenic as noonwitch said. She's delusional, paranoid, she has extensive contamination issues, phobias, and she acts out violently whenever she decompensates (and that's pretty often).

Zafod
07-07-2010, 03:11 PM
No she's otherkin. She is so extreme she would be kicked out of Furaffinity.

ok what the fuck is otherkin? there is another group more fucked up than furies?

RockerWolf
07-07-2010, 03:14 PM
ok what the fuck is otherkin? there is another group more fucked up than furies?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otherkin There is also a article on Encyclopedia Dramatica,but that one is :NSFW:

CueSi
07-07-2010, 10:55 PM
No, she's a schizophrenic as noonwitch said. She's delusional, paranoid, she has extensive contamination issues, phobias, and she acts out violently whenever she decompensates (and that's pretty often).

But she's still otherkin. That's just how her crazy is manifested. :p

~QC