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megimoo
05-24-2009, 12:49 PM
Half of Israelis back immediate strike on Iran

"Wouldn't it be interesting if Iran Was So Foolish As To Nuke American Troops In Iraq or Afghanistan ?"

Iran Says It Test Fired New Missile Capable of Reaching Israel, U.S. Bases

Just over half of Israelis back an immediate attack on the nuclear facilities of arch-foe Iran but the rest want to wait and see the results of US diplomacy, according to a poll released on Sunday.
Fifty-one percent support an immediate Israeli strike on Iran's nuclear sites, while 49 percent believe the Jewish state should await the outcome of efforts by the US administration to engage with the Islamic republic, said the survey published by Tel Aviv University.

But 74 percent of those questioned said they believe that new US President Barack Obama's efforts will not stop the Islamic republic from acquiring atomic weapons.

Israel, widely considered to be the Middle East's sole if undeclared nuclear armed state, considers Iran its arch-foe after repeated statements by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad for the Jewish state to be "wiped off the map."

Israel and Washington accuse Iran of trying to develop atomic weapons under the guise of a civilian nuclear programme, a charge Tehran has repeatedly denied.

Opinion is split among left- and right-wingers about whether to attack Iran's nuclear sites, with 63 percent of those leaning to the right favouring a strike, compared with 38 percent of those leaning to the left, the poll said.

It was carried out by Tel Aviv University's Centre for Iranian Studies among 509 Israeli adults and had a 4.5-percent margin of error.





http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.278ae37b736a0478b7223156a3bcf18 a.401&show_article=1

Camaraderie
05-24-2009, 05:17 PM
Israel...considers Iran its arch-foe after repeated statements by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad for the Jewish state to be "wiped off the map."

According to legend, Iran's President has threatened to destroy Israel, or, to quote the misquote, "Israel must be wiped off the map". Contrary to popular belief, this statement was never made.

So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in farsi:

"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "Regime", pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).

So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh", is not contained anywhere in his original farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel".

Meanwhile the phony "wiped off the map" extract has been repeated infinitely without verification. The artificial quote has also been subject to additional alterations. U.S. officials and media often take the liberty of dropping the "map" reference altogether, replacing it with the more acutely threatening phrase "wipe Israel off the face of the earth". Newspaper and magazine articles dutifully report Ahmadinejad has "called for the destruction of Israel", as do senior officials in the United States government.

An October 2006 memo titled Words of Hate: Iran's Escalating Threats released by the powerful Israeli lobby group AIPAC opens with the warning, "Ahmadinejad and other top Iranian leaders are issuing increasingly belligerent statements threatening to destroy the United States, Europe and Israel." These claims not only fabricate an unsubstantiated threat, but assume far more power than he actually possesses. Alarmists would be better off monitoring the statements of the ultra-conservative Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, who holds the most power in Iran.

This scenario mirrors the kind of false claims that led to the illegal U.S. invasion of Iraq, a war now widely viewed as a catastrophic mistake. And yet the government and media media continue to marinate in propaganda and speculation about attacking Iraq's much larger and more formidable neighbor, Iran. Most of this rests on the unproven assumption that Iran is building nuclear weapons, and the lie that Iran has vowed to physically destroy Israel.

ironhorsedriver
05-24-2009, 05:44 PM
Have you bothered studying any of His speeches. The one at the UN. Speeches given to other Arab states. He is and has threatened Israel directly, and he did call for the death of all the Jews.

Camaraderie
05-24-2009, 07:49 PM
Have you bothered studying any of His speeches. The one at the UN. Speeches given to other Arab states. He is and has threatened Israel directly, and he did call for the death of all the Jews.

Yes, I've read them all. I've studied them. He never "called for the death of all Jews." That's pure garbage propaganda. It is Israel that has threatened to attack Iran over and over again. In fact, many reputable Israeli citizens are quite concerned about the state's credibility because of the constant stream of so-far empty threats and warnings of an imminent attack. It has become laughable. Barely a day goes by when we don't read of new Israeli plan to attack Iran. Or some new advanced weapon system just invented and installed to "take out" various segments of Iran's infrastructure. When Iranians make counter-threats, it gets bloated into this crap about "wiping Israel off the map" or "killing all Jews."

Sonnabend
05-24-2009, 07:55 PM
According to legend, Iran's President has threatened to destroy Israel, or, to quote the misquote, "Israel must be wiped off the map". Contrary to popular belief, this statement was never made.

Ah yes the usual apologists

"he was taken out of context"

"It was a mistranslation"

We heard this from that apologist for "Catsmeat" Hilali, it doesnt wash then or now.

Ahneedadinnerjacket is a lunatic and a Holocaust denier. Tell me, Cam...you a Holocaust denier as well? Going to tell me it's all a Jewish lie?

Iran is a direct threat to Israel, and Iran has made no bones about the fact they want Israel destroyed.

Rockntractor
05-24-2009, 07:55 PM
Yes, I've read them all. I've studied them. He never "called for the death of all Jews." That's pure garbage propaganda. It is Israel that has threatened to attack Iran over and over again. In fact, many reputable Israeli citizens are quite concerned about the state's credibility because of the constant stream of so-far empty threats and warnings of an imminent attack. It has become laughable. Barely a day goes by when we don't read of new Israeli plan to attack Iran. Or some new advanced weapon system just invented and installed to "take out" various segments of Iran's infrastructure. When Iranians make counter-threats, it gets bloated into this crap about "wiping Israel off the map" or "killing all Jews."
Ok Iran good Israel bad. What do we have here another antisemite. I was wondering when your true colors would come out.

Rockntractor
05-24-2009, 08:08 PM
According to legend, Iran's President has threatened to destroy Israel, or, to quote the misquote, "Israel must be wiped off the map". Contrary to popular belief, this statement was never made.

So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in farsi:

"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "Regime", pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).

So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh", is not contained anywhere in his original farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel".

Meanwhile the phony "wiped off the map" extract has been repeated infinitely without verification. The artificial quote has also been subject to additional alterations. U.S. officials and media often take the liberty of dropping the "map" reference altogether, replacing it with the more acutely threatening phrase "wipe Israel off the face of the earth". Newspaper and magazine articles dutifully report Ahmadinejad has "called for the destruction of Israel", as do senior officials in the United States government.

An October 2006 memo titled Words of Hate: Iran's Escalating Threats released by the powerful Israeli lobby group AIPAC opens with the warning, "Ahmadinejad and other top Iranian leaders are issuing increasingly belligerent statements threatening to destroy the United States, Europe and Israel." These claims not only fabricate an unsubstantiated threat, but assume far more power than he actually possesses. Alarmists would be better off monitoring the statements of the ultra-conservative Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, who holds the most power in Iran.

This scenario mirrors the kind of false claims that led to the illegal U.S. invasion of Iraq, a war now widely viewed as a catastrophic mistake. And yet the government and media media continue to marinate in propaganda and speculation about attacking Iraq's much larger and more formidable neighbor, Iran. Most of this rests on the unproven assumption that Iran is building nuclear weapons, and the lie that Iran has vowed to physically destroy Israel.


Your article you have posted is printed word for word on david duke .com you keep good company.
http://www.davidduke.com/general/and-the-neocons-want-americans-to-believe-that-it’s-the-mullahs-who-are-crazy_2951.html

megimoo
05-24-2009, 08:17 PM
According to legend, Iran's President has threatened to destroy Israel, or, to quote the misquote, "Israel must be wiped off the map". Contrary to popular belief, this statement was never made.

So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in farsi:

"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "Regime", pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).

So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh", is not contained anywhere in his original farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel".

Meanwhile the phony "wiped off the map" extract has been repeated infinitely without verification. The artificial quote has also been subject to additional alterations. U.S. officials and media often take the liberty of dropping the "map" reference altogether, replacing it with the more acutely threatening phrase "wipe Israel off the face of the earth". Newspaper and magazine articles dutifully report Ahmadinejad has "called for the destruction of Israel", as do senior officials in the United States government.

An October 2006 memo titled Words of Hate: Iran's Escalating Threats released by the powerful Israeli lobby group AIPAC opens with the warning, "Ahmadinejad and other top Iranian leaders are issuing increasingly belligerent statements threatening to destroy the United States, Europe and Israel." These claims not only fabricate an unsubstantiated threat, but assume far more power than he actually possesses. Alarmists would be better off monitoring the statements of the ultra-conservative Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, who holds the most power in Iran.

This scenario mirrors the kind of false claims that led to the illegal U.S. invasion of Iraq, a war now widely viewed as a catastrophic mistake. And yet the government and media media continue to marinate in propaganda and speculation about attacking Iraq's much larger and more formidable neighbor, Iran. Most of this rests on the unproven assumption that Iran is building nuclear weapons, and the lie that Iran has vowed to physically destroy Israel.With a load of crap like that you make Slick Willie look bad !

Rockntractor
05-24-2009, 08:21 PM
‘So this raises the question…what exactly did he want “wiped from the map”? The answer is: nothing. That’s because the word “map” was never used. The Persian word for map, “nagsheh” is not contained anywhere in his original Farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase “wipe out” ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran’s president threatened to “wipe Israel off the map,” despite never having uttered the words “map,” “wipe out” or even “Israel.” ’…

‘The full quote translated directly to English: “The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time.” Word by word translation: Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from).’

How can President Bush, with elaborate worldwide intelligence institutions like the CIA and billions of dollars worth intelligence resources at his disposal, possibly be unaware of the correct translation of Ahmadinejad’s speech? Of course, he isn’t unaware. The president is fully aware of what Ahmadinejad really said, but the correct translation is inconsistent with his war agenda, and so, like his neocon brethren, he has deliberately chosen to put false word’s into Ahmadinejad’s mouth and broadcast the so-called quote to the world as authentic.
This I just took from davidduke.com.
Do we really want a David Duke disciple in our conversations?

http://www.davidduke.com/general/and-the-neocons-want-americans-to-believe-that-it’s-the-mullahs-who-are-crazy_2951.html

Teetop
05-24-2009, 08:42 PM
[QUOTE=Camaraderie;139325]According to legend, Iran's President has threatened to destroy Israel, or, to quote the misquote, "Israel must be wiped off the map". Contrary to popular belief, this statement was never made.

So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in farsi:

"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad.["QUOTE]

According to Juan effin Cole or what the eff his last name is?

The Iranian President has only said it four or five times, Juan effin Cole or what ever the eff his name is, only disputed the first quote. What about the other three or four?

DUmb-ass.

Camaraderie
05-25-2009, 03:24 AM
You simplistic imbecile. I was paraphrasing a widely circulated article by Chris Moore of the Libertarian Party. It has nothing to do with David Duke.

I know, I know, you only approve of sources carefully vetted by Bill O'Reilly and the Fox Network. :rolleyes:


This I just took from davidduke.com.
Do we really want a David Duke disciple in our conversations?

http://www.davidduke.com/general/and-the-neocons-want-americans-to-believe-that-itís-the-mullahs-who-are-crazy_2951.html (http://www.davidduke.com/general/and-the-neocons-want-americans-to-believe-that-it%E2%80%99s-the-mullahs-who-are-crazy_2951.html)

Camaraderie
05-25-2009, 04:01 AM
Ah yes the usual apologists

"he was taken out of context" "It was a mistranslation"

Ahneedadinnerjacket is a lunatic and a Holocaust denier. Tell me, Cam...you a Holocaust denier as well? Going to tell me it's all a Jewish lie?

Iran is a direct threat to Israel, and Iran has made no bones about the fact they want Israel destroyed.

Good luck trying to paint me as a Quisling or a Holocaust denier for simply stating the facts. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad never called for the death of all the Jews or for Israel to be wiped off the map. There's no point in lying about it, or bloating it into something that it's not.

Here from Jewcy.com:

Did Ahmadinejad Call For Israel To Be "Wiped Off The Map"?
http://www.jewcy.com/post/sidebar_did_mahmoud_ahmadinejad_call_israel_be_wip ed_map
Daniel Koffler
by Daniel Koffler, June 2, 2008

There's no reason to resort to lying to establish his lunacy.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has said all sorts of shocking, crazy, horrible things. So many that it shouldn't be hard for someone looking to score points off of the shocking, crazy, horrible things Ahmadinejad has said to base his case on things that have actually come out of Ahmadinejad's mouth. (For example: He described the Israeli state as "a stinking corpse" and described the Holocaust as a "myth." Those are appalling remarks; feel free to quote them.)

However, contra John McCain, Ahmadinejad didn't call for Israel to be "wiped off the map" (as virtually every expert translator from Juan Cole to MEMRI agrees). What Ahmadinejad did say in a thoroughly gruesome October 2005 speech that provided more than enough material to answer any lingering doubts about Ahmadinejad's awfulness, was this:

Imam (i.e., Khomeini) ghoft ('said') een rezhim-e ('this regime') eshghalgar-e ('occupying') Qods ('Jerusalem') bayad ('should' or 'must') az safheh-ye ('from the page of') ruzgar ('time' or 'daily life') mahv shavad ('fade' or 'disappear' or 'be obliterated,' depending on context).

The Persian words for 'country' are keshvar and mamlekat, and the Persian for 'nation' is mellat, which, like English 'nation', can be a synonym for 'a people' (as in the party of the great Iranian democrat Darioush Forouhar, Hebz-e Mellat-e Iran, which could be rendered equally acceptably as "Party of the Nation of Iran" or "Party of the People of Iran"). Yet the object of Ahmadinejad's sentence is rezhim, which is (obviously) a direct importation of 'regime' that only and always refers to a particular government and, as in English, has technical and pejorative connotations. Moreover, Persian has no "wipe off the map" idiom, and even if it did, applying that idiom to 'regime' rather than 'country' or 'nation' is just a category error.

The controversial verb of the sentence, mahv shodan, can range in meaning from 'to fade' or 'to vanish' to 'to be obliterated' or 'to be annihilated.' So which is it? Ahmadinejad uses mahv shodan in reference to the fall of the Soviet Union, of the Shah, and of Saddam Hussein in the same speech. In other words, Ahmadinejad called for the destruction of the Israeli government and possibly for war --- which is objectionable enough! --- not genocide. (He's also deliberately adopting "regime change" language; I can't say I'm surprised the mistranslators failed to see that.)

So why the unrelenting lying about what Ahmadinejad said, given the surfeit of reality-based material available for condemning him? My hunch is that it has something to do with the unrelenting lying about Ahmadinejad's role in the Iranian government.

Camaraderie
05-25-2009, 04:11 AM
What do we have here another antisemite.

According to the Anti-Defamation League, 17% of Americans are antisemitic (50 million). Maybe if you would stop trying to have people kicked off discussion boards for expressing an opinion that number might go down.

Camaraderie
05-25-2009, 04:29 AM
The Iranian President has only said it four or five times, Juan effin Cole or what ever the eff his name is, only disputed the first quote. What about the other three or four?

DUmb-ass.

He only said what four or five times?

Why not just quote him accurately? What he actually said will perfectly satisfy your need to show that Iran would like to see Israel gone.

Go to this website. Discover what he actually said, and use THAT. Use an actual quote. Not a manufactured one. No one on the planet doubts that the Arab world would like to see Israel gone. That's very different from making an actual direct threat (we will wipe Israel off the map).

Here's a REAL quote you can use in place of the phony neocon bullshit one:

Iranian President at Tehran Conference: 'Very Soon, This Stain of Disgrace [i.e. Israel] Will Be Purged From the Center of the Islamic World – and This is Attainable'

http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP101305

Camaraderie
05-25-2009, 04:47 AM
With a load of crap like that you make Slick Willie look bad !

This depends on what the meaning of the word 'crap' is. ;)

Sonnabend
05-25-2009, 07:02 AM
Iranian President at Tehran Conference: 'Very Soon, This Stain of Disgrace [i.e. Israel] Will Be Purged From the Center of the Islamic World Ė and This is Attainable'

I'd call that clear cut, and a statement of intent.

Sonnabend
05-25-2009, 07:08 AM
(He's also deliberately adopting "regime change" language; I can't say I'm surprised the mistranslators failed to see that.)Nuclear centrifuges - check
Defying UN inspectors - check
developement of medium and long range ICBM's - check
missile tests capable of nuclear delivery - check
Threats to "obliterate the Zionist state" - check
Iranian President a Holocaust denier - check

I'd say that the above is more than enough evidence that Iran's intentions towards Israel are not hearts, flowers, candy and a Valentine's teddy bear.

The words "direct threat" apply here.

There is another word for "regime change", you may be familiar with

WAR.

When the man next door says he is going to kill you.

When you have the memory of six million who died at the hands of yet another genocidal maniac

When the words "Never Again" are whispered by the spectral voices of millions who can no longer speak for themselves

Then you know he means it.

Here endeth the lesson.

FlaGator
05-25-2009, 08:25 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FckLO8HcNyo

Sonnabend
05-25-2009, 08:28 AM
"Death to israel"

Seems pretty clear to me.

FlaGator
05-25-2009, 08:36 AM
A lot of the information being posted that is pro-Iranian parallels this site

http://www.representativepress.org/

Any organization that endorses Noam Chomsky is suspect in my mind.

Rockntractor
05-25-2009, 09:54 AM
You simplistic imbecile. I was paraphrasing a widely circulated article by Chris Moore of the Libertarian Party. It has nothing to do with David Duke.

I know, I know, you only approve of sources carefully vetted by Bill O'Reilly and the Fox Network. :rolleyes:
Chris moore is an anti semite and his article is on the david duke website. I googled your words and it lead me there. It is also customary to list sources when you quote. You never do and print it as your own.
The article was by Chris Moore but he quoted Arash Norouzi extensively. This article is very popular in white supremacy circles

Rockntractor
05-25-2009, 10:03 AM
I would rather be a simplistic imbecile than a racist. I may only have a tenth grade education but I know God created everyone equal. It doesn't take brilliance to discredit someone like you. Only truth.

Camaraderie
05-25-2009, 03:33 PM
Chris moore is an anti semite and his article is on the david duke website. I googled your words and it lead me there. It is also customary to list sources when you quote. You never do and print it as your own.

The article was by Chris Moore but he quoted Arash Norouzi extensively. This article is very popular in white supremacy circles

Check my posts. Nearly every one includes links to sources.

Duke carried the article because people like you handed him a fantastic opportunity to paint zionists, neocons, and the msm media as a bunch of lying assholes. I'm sure your phony quote is sooper popular at every antisemitic website. What a blunder.

By your definition, anyone who fails to keep his lips firmly pressed against the Jewish anus at all times is an antisemite. So Chris Moore doesn't kiss ass. Boo hoo.

Camaraderie
05-25-2009, 03:45 PM
I would rather be a simplistic imbecile than a racist. I may only have a tenth grade education but I know God created everyone equal. It doesn't take brilliance to discredit someone like you. Only truth.

I wonder what a liberal like you is doing at a conservative website? Apparently you are afraid of ideas and words, and so you have come here to monitor, censor, and signal a warning when dangerous thoughts are expressed. You say that God created everyone equal, then you go about your business of smearing and slurring with reckless abandon. How typically liberal.

The destructive effect of restricting speech is worse than merely dynamiting another pillar of our civilization. for it also blocks the possibility of peaceful change: In the words of JFK, "Whatever makes peaceful change impossible makes violent revolution inevitable." -- John Bryant

Rockntractor
05-25-2009, 04:56 PM
anyone who fails to keep his lips firmly pressed against the Jewish anus at all times is an antisemite.

There is something wrong with a person who uses a racist phrase like this. You will have a lonely existence on this board. We are not race haters over here. I am sure stormfront would welcome you if they haven’t already

Camaraderie
05-25-2009, 05:56 PM
You're just a crank. You refuse to debate your opponents, arrogantly dismiss their arguments, deny their credibility, approve of the suppression of opinion different from your own, and appeal to authority or consensus rather than to facts and logic.


There is something wrong with a person who uses a racist phrase like this. You will have a lonely existence on this board. We are not race haters over here. I am sure stormfront would welcome you if they havenít already

Rockntractor
05-25-2009, 06:07 PM
You are a racist who has accused me of having my "lips firmly pressed against the Jewish anus at all times". How do you argue against the irrational hatred of a racist.

FlaGator
05-25-2009, 06:36 PM
The Lord God speaking to Abram

"I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."

Genesis 12:2-3

Camaraderie
05-25-2009, 07:09 PM
You dirty little Bolshevik thought cop. Your tactics plumb the depths of dishonor and include misquotation, willful distortion, fabrication of falsehoods, and an utter disregard for truth.


You are a racist. How do you argue against the irrational hatred of a racist.

djones520
05-25-2009, 07:19 PM
You sound a lot like Gator, Camaraderie.

SarasotaRepub
05-25-2009, 07:23 PM
You sound a lot like Gator, Camaraderie.

LOL!!!;):D

Camaraderie
05-25-2009, 07:27 PM
You've missed the point entirely.

Gator is saying, in effect, that one should never curse (criticize) Israel because God says not to. I believe just the opposite. Without criticism there can never be improvement. If we cannot criticize or correct the federal government, for example, we are all screwed. And, if we cannot criticize or correct Israel, we could end up like the Palestinians -- you know, those folks we are NEVER supposed to give a shit about or even mention. Did you know that Palestinians are also Semites?


You sound a lot like Gator, Camaraderie.

FlaGator
05-25-2009, 07:28 PM
You've missed the point entirely.

Gator is saying, in effect, that one should never curse (criticize) Israel because God says not to. I believe just the opposite. Without criticism there can never be improvement. If we cannot criticize or correct the federal government, for example, we are all screwed. And, if we cannot criticize or correct Israel, we could end up like the Palestinians -- you know, those folks we are NEVER supposed to give a shit about or even mention. Did you know that Palestinians are also Semites?

Wrong Gator. Besides cursing and criticizing are not the same thing. Criticize all you want, I'm just suggesting that cursing may not be such a good idea... from my perspective

Sonnabend
05-25-2009, 07:29 PM
There is no Palestine.

And you havent commented on that video. "Death to israel" is clear cut, and wrecks your theory of "misquoted" or "mistranslated.

Iran is a direct threat to Israel.

djones520
05-25-2009, 07:30 PM
You've missed the point entirely.

Gator is saying, in effect, that one should never curse (criticize) Israel because God says not to. I believe just the opposite. Without criticism there can never be improvement. If we cannot criticize or correct the federal government, for example, we are all screwed. And, if we cannot criticize or correct Israel, we could end up like the Palestinians -- you know, those folks we are NEVER supposed to give a shit about or even mention. Did you know that Palestinians are also Semites?

I was referring more towards how quickly you start labelling people with negative titles. Your anti-israel stance certainly helps though.

Now we just need you to call someone a Neocon and then stand on your soap box of moral clarity and it'll be like old times.

Sonnabend
05-25-2009, 07:34 PM
Now we just need you to call someone a Neocon and then stand on your soap box of moral clarity and it'll be like old times

He already has. I'm curious though, is he a Stormfront member or a Friend of Stormfront?.

Rockntractor
05-25-2009, 07:36 PM
He already has. I'm curious though, is he a Stormfront member or a Friend of Stormfront?.
When I google his retoric I end up here frequently.
ttp://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=886096

Camaraderie
05-25-2009, 07:42 PM
There is no Palestine.

That's for sure!


And you haven't commented on that video. "Death to israel" is clear cut, and wrecks your theory of "misquoted" or "mistranslated.

He mentions the "criminal regime in Israel," and states that this criminality is why people all over the Arab world are shouting, "Death to Israel." Then the crowd shouts, "Death to Israel."

Once again you've bloated the facts when there is no need to. There's no reason to falsely quote him as saying, "Death to Israel" when what he said is plenty bad enough. Stop misquoting and you will be better off for it.

Sonnabend
05-25-2009, 07:46 PM
Once again you've bloated the facts when there is no need to. There's no reason to falsely quote him as saying, "Death to Israel" when what he said is plenty bad enough.

So you now admit he is a threat to Israel. Good. Maybe there is hope for you....incidentally, how did a Vanguard member like yourself hear about CU anyway?

Camaraderie
05-25-2009, 07:46 PM
I was referring more towards how quickly you start labelling people with negative titles. Your anti-israel stance certainly helps though.

Now we just need you to call someone a Neocon and then stand on your soap box of moral clarity and it'll be like old times.

Why do you consider "neocon" to be a negative title?

What anti-Israel stance? Be specific.

Camaraderie
05-25-2009, 07:48 PM
I made that clear three pages ago. You've got your head shoved so far up Israel's ass you didn't see it. Pop your head out and look around.


So you now admit he is a threat to Israel. Good. Maybe there is hope for you....incidentally, how did a Vanguard member like yourself hear about CU anyway?

Rockntractor
05-25-2009, 07:49 PM
That's for sure!



He mentions the "criminal regime in Israel," and states that this criminality is why people all over the Arab world are shouting, "Death to Israel." Then the crowd shouts, "Death to Israel."

Once again you've bloated the facts when there is no need to. There's no reason to falsely quote him as saying, "Death to Israel" when what he said is plenty bad enough. Stop misquoting and you will be better off for it.
Its's time ror you to run back to The White Patriot Leader for some material isn't it?

What would William Pierce do in this situation. Is your copy of his biography signed?

Sonnabend
05-25-2009, 07:49 PM
Everyone wave bye bye to our latest Stormfront member. Kiss him goodbye as the Sith admin kicks his ass out the door.

Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya, and do us all a favour...tell your friends that they will get the same.

Oh and btw...get help, soon., Your kind of hatred died over a hundred years ago...this is the 21st century, not the 18th.

Don't hurry back now, y'hear? :D

Camaraderie
05-25-2009, 07:50 PM
....incidentally, how did a Vanguard member like yourself hear about CU anyway?

Is that you in your avatar?

Rockntractor
05-25-2009, 09:40 PM
Is that you in your avatar?

http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/hitler.jpg?t=1243301903

In memory of Camaraderie. May your hatred soon be forgotten.