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megimoo
05-25-2009, 11:58 AM
The Death of Israel

Because one thing is increasingly clear: Barack Obama is not about to lift a finger to stop Iran from developing the bomb. And neither is Hillary Clinton.

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An expert on Arab-Israeli relations with excellent sources deep inside Netanyahu's government, reports that CIA chief Leon Panetta recently took time out from his day job (feuding with Nancy Pelosi) to travel to Israel to "read the riot act" to the government warning against an attack on Iran.


More ominously, report (likely from sources high up in the Israeli government) that the Obama administration has all but accepted as irreversible and unavoidable fact that Iran will soon develop nuclear weapons. Writes, "...we have learned that the [Obama] administration has made its peace with Iran's nuclear aspirations.

Senior administration officials acknowledge as much in off-record briefings. It is true, they say, that Iran may exploit its future talks with the US to run down the clock before they test a nuclear weapon. But, they add, if that happens, the U.S. will simply have to live with a nuclear-armed mullocracy."


She goes on to write that the Obama administration is desperate to stop Israel from attacking Iran writing that "as far as the [Obama] administration is concerned, if Israel could just leave Iran's nuclear installations alone, Iran would behave itself." She notes that American officials would regard any harm to American interests that flowed from an Israeli attack on Iranian nuclear facilities as Israel's doing, not Iran's.


In classic Stockholm Syndrome fashion, the Obama administration is empathizing more with the Iranian leaders who are holding Israel hostage than with the nation that may be wiped off the map if Iran acquires the bomb.


Obama's end-of-the-year deadline for Iranian talks aimed at stopping its progress toward nuclear weapons is just window dressing without the threat of military action. As Metternich wrote, "diplomacy without force is like music without instruments." By warning only of possible strengthening of economic sanctions if the talks do not progress, Obama is making an empty threat. The sanctions will likely have no effect because Russia and China will not let the United Nations act as it must if it is to deter Iranian nuclear weapons.


All this means is that Israel's life is in danger. If Iran gets the bomb, it will use it to kill six million Jews. No threat of retaliation will make the slightest difference. One cannot deter a suicide bomber with the threat of death. Nor can one deter a theocracy bent on meriting admission to heaven and its virgins by one glorious act of violence. Iran would probably not launch the bomb itself, anyway, but would give it to its puppet terrorists to send to Israel so it could deny responsibility. Obama, bent on appeasement, would likely not retaliate with nuclear weapons. And Israel will be dead and gone.


Those sunshine Jewish patriots who voted for Obama must realize that we, as Jews, are witnessing the possible end of Israel. We are in the same moral position as our ancestors were as they watched Hitlerís rise but did nothing to pressure their favorite liberal Democratic president, FDR, to take any real action to save them or even to let Jewish refugees into the country. If we remain complacent, we will have the same anguish at watching the destruction of Israel that our forebears had in witnessing the Holocaust.



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http://www.newsmax.com/morris/nuclear_iran_israel/2009/05/24/217793.html

Camaraderie
05-25-2009, 06:15 PM
The Death of Israel

All this means is that Israel's life is in danger. If Iran gets the bomb, it will use it to kill six million Jews.

http://static.flickr.com/3148/2925200803_ac7ed1d384.jpg

FlaGator
05-25-2009, 06:32 PM
I feel confident that the world will never let Iran develop nuclear weapons.

megimoo
05-25-2009, 07:10 PM
I feel confident that the world will never let Iran develop nuclear weapons.I think that is called misplaced faith pardner.If they test their bomb and it works what do you think they will do with it ?

I think that the warhead that N Korea just detonated was Irans and not theirs,what better place for Iran to test it and not be detected ?

Soon the world will have three new Nuclear armed players all of then unstable and hell bent on destroying someone .Pakistan if it falls will provide Nuclear devices to the Mad Muslem Arabs.

N Korea has either Japan Or The South in their sights.And Iran has already stated that they want Israel destroyed.

Who do you think is going to be able to prevent a Nuclear exchange from taking place,not America or any other world power .I suspect the Saudis already posses Nuclear capability and will use them if Iran threatens them.It looks like old Joe Biden is a modern day prophet Daniel predicting Obamas time of challenge.

If the Jews 'sit on their fists' and wait for Iran to launch a Nuclear armed Scud at them they deserve to 'eat a warhead '!At any rate the world is in for a major shakeup to say the least !
I imagine that El Al flights from Tel Aviv are booked up full these days !

FlaGator
05-25-2009, 07:17 PM
I think that is called misplaced faith pardner.If they test their bomb and it works what do you think they will do with it ?

I think that the warhead that N Korea just detonated was Irans and not theirs,what better place for Iran to test it and not be detected ?

Soon the world will have three new Nuclear armed players all of then unstable and hell bent on destroying someone .Pakistan if it falls will provide Nuclear devices to the Mad Muslem Arabs.

N Korea has either Japan Or The South in their sights.And Iran has already stated that they want Israel destroyed.

Who do you think is going to be able to prevent a Nuclear exchange from taking place,not America or any other world power .I suspect the Saudis already posses Nuclear capability and will use them if Iran threatens them.It looks like old Joe Biden is a modern day prophet Daniel predicting Obamas time of challenge.

If the Jews 'sit on their fists' and wait for Iran to launch a Nuclear armed Scud at them they deserve to 'eat a warhead '!At any rate the world is in for a major shakeup to say the least !
I imagine that El Al flights from Tel Aviv are booked up full these days !

My faith is only in God so it is not misplaced. They will never get to a point of testing their weapon.

djones520
05-25-2009, 07:20 PM
I feel confident that the world will never let Iran develop nuclear weapons.

I feel confident that Israel won't let Iran develop them. The rest of the world (including us unfortunately) will hide behind the UN throwing paper resolutions at them.

djones520
05-25-2009, 07:20 PM
I think that is called misplaced faith pardner.If they test their bomb and it works what do you think they will do with it ?

I think that the warhead that N Korea just detonated was Irans and not theirs,what better place for Iran to test it and not be detected ?

Soon the world will have three new Nuclear armed players all of then unstable and hell bent on destroying someone .Pakistan if it falls will provide Nuclear devices to the Mad Muslem Arabs.

N Korea has either Japan Or The South in their sights.And Iran has already stated that they want Israel destroyed.

Who do you think is going to be able to prevent a Nuclear exchange from taking place,not America or any other world power .I suspect the Saudis already posses Nuclear capability and will use them if Iran threatens them.It looks like old Joe Biden is a modern day prophet Daniel predicting Obamas time of challenge.

If the Jews 'sit on their fists' and wait for Iran to launch a Nuclear armed Scud at them they deserve to 'eat a warhead '!At any rate the world is in for a major shakeup to say the least !
I imagine that El Al flights from Tel Aviv are booked up full these days !

It was Irans? That's a joke right?

megimoo
05-25-2009, 07:57 PM
It was Irans? That's a joke right?
Where do you think that Iran got the expertise that they have already ?Think about it if you had the enriched Uranium and the 'Gun Structure' where better to test it than N Korea ?

This is the same design that we used on Japan during WW2 .Two hemispheres of enriched Uranium separated in a rifled gun type barrel.When an explosive charge is fired the hemispheres are driven together and produce a critical mass and about twenty Kiloton Nuclear yield ,crude but effective !

They have already had an failed underground(Iranian) test !They are known to be working on Nuclear warheads and have already been caught shipping bomb components to back Iran.If they test in N Korea the Israelis will not have enough evidence to be sure that it was an Iranian device and attack them,they hope, but the Jews aren't stupid !

djones520
05-25-2009, 08:10 PM
Where do you think that Iran got the expertise that they have already ?Think about it if you had the enriched Uranium and the 'Gun Structure' where better to test it than N Korea ?

This is the same design that we used on Japan during WW2 .Two hemispheres of enriched Uranium separated in a rifled gun type barrel.When an explosive charge is fired the hemispheres are driven together and produce a critical mass and about twenty Kiloton Nuclear yield ,crude but effective !

They have already had an failed underground(Iranian) test !They are known to be working on Nuclear warheads and have already been caught shipping bomb components to back Iran.If they test in N Korea the Israelis will not have enough evidence to be sure that it was an Iranian device and attack them,they hope, but the Jews aren't stupid !

So now your saying the 2006 detonation was one of Iran's weapons as well? Put down the hashish Megi.

stsinner
05-25-2009, 08:12 PM
I feel confident that the world will never let Iran develop nuclear weapons.

Just like we didn't let North Korea and Pakistan.... I think that the world pre-obama woudn't have allowed it, but Obama seems to have the most sinister of ambitions with regard to America and Israel.

stsinner
05-25-2009, 08:15 PM
I say the only thing we need to care about now, since nukes WILL proliferate, is a missile defense shield. We should tell those who don't want us to have it to kiss our butts, because we know that it can only be used for protective purposes and defense. It's not an offensive system, so what should they care? They get mad when we talk about protecting ourselves from their missiles... And we back down from it. The world has gone crazy!

FlaGator
05-25-2009, 08:46 PM
Just like we didn't let North Korea and Pakistan.... I think that the world pre-obama woudn't have allowed it, but Obama seems to have the most sinister of ambitions with regard to America and Israel.

That North Korea has nuclear weapons is still questionable. Pakistan developed theirs in a different political atmosphere and for different reasons. Now if the Taliban manage to get control of Islamabad then the world may rue the day it didn't intervene with Pakistan.I suspect that India has contingency plans in the event of a change in philosophy in Pakistan. Iran is a loose cannon even to much of the Muslim world. They're not rally Arabs so other than Syria the Arabs don't trust them. I suspect that if Israel takes out Iranian nuclear facilities the Arabs will play the right role on the world stage but inside they are going to breath a sigh of relief.

djones520
05-25-2009, 08:54 PM
That North Korea has nuclear weapons is still questionable. Pakistan developed theirs in a different political atmosphere and for different reasons. Now if the Taliban manage to get control of Islamabad then the world may rue the day it didn't intervene with Pakistan.I suspect that India has contingency plans in the event of a change in philosophy in Pakistan. Iran is a loose cannon even to much of the Muslim world. They're not rally Arabs so other than Syria the Arabs don't trust them. I suspect that if Israel takes out Iranian nuclear facilities the Arabs will play the right role on the world stage but inside they are going to breath a sigh of relief.

It's not questionable FlaGator. That explosion in 06 was a confirmed nuclear detonation. Not a big one, but plenty big enough to wreck a major city. Now there's little question that they have the means to deliver one short of loading it onto a train and driving it somewhere, but they still have the capability.

megimoo
05-25-2009, 09:04 PM
So now your saying the 2006 detonation was one of Iran's weapons as well? Put down the hashish Megi.
It's just conjecture,I have no evidence besides the actual detonations.Open your mind to the possibility's . We know that they already have a large supply of enriched Uranium and a scud capable of striking Israel and If Iran were ready to test a warhead why not N Korea ?The Israeli intelligence think tanks are far more intelligent and paranoid than I and this is sure to be an consideration in their plans .

It has several advantages .It is far removed from Iran and wouldn't cast too many suspicions their way.They have a test site already available .They are desperate for money and food.They need oil and there is a world wide glut of oil so Iran will lose little actual cash . N Korea has little to trade in exchange and winter will soon be here again .

The moment Israel detects an nuclear detonation anywhere in Iran they will go all out and attack them so where to test their new warhead , North Korea is a natural choice !

megimoo
05-25-2009, 09:18 PM
I say the only thing we need to care about now, since nukes WILL proliferate, is a missile defense shield. We should tell those who don't want us to have it to kiss our butts, because we know that it can only be used for protective purposes and defense. It's not an offensive system, so what should they care? They get mad when we talk about protecting ourselves from their missiles... And we back down from it. The world has gone crazy!
Obama will definitely take the ABM system apart to pay for his new health care scheme.He has already shut down the Nuclear warhead update program that we desperately need .Obama will disarm America to the extent that we will not be able to defend ourselves or anyone else from a Nuclear attack by ICBM or scud.We have a ballistic Missile shield over the fleet and that can protect us on each coast but ICBM reentry vehicles are awefully fast weapon systems .Have you noticed that even the patriot systems he approved for Poland were shipped without warheads ? Now isn't that an amazing thing , I think not !

FlaGator
05-25-2009, 09:34 PM
It's not questionable FlaGator. That explosion in 06 was a confirmed nuclear detonation. Not a big one, but plenty big enough to wreck a major city. Now there's little question that they have the means to deliver one short of loading it onto a train and driving it somewhere, but they still have the capability.

I may be wrong, but to my knowledge no gamma ray burst was detected the satellites that search for such things and that would indicate definite nuclear detonation. I don't think that nothing has been confirmed other than a large conventional explosion of some type. If you have something I would be interested in reading it. This is not a subject that I stay on top so I have to defer to the knowledge of otherd.

megimoo
05-25-2009, 09:35 PM
North Korea is preparing to launch a missile off its west coast today or tomorrow,

a South Korean official is reported to have said.

North Korea upset the international community by launching this missile last April



The reports follow North Korea testing its second nuclear weapon yesterday.

The unnamed South Korean official was quoted by Yonhap news agency.

The official said: "North Korea declared a ban for ships in the sea off its South Pyongan province between the 25th to 27th (of May).

"It looks like it will fire a short-range missile between today and tomorrow."

Earlier, US President Barack Obama said weapons tests "pose a grave threat to the peace and security of the world".

"North Korea's actions endanger the people of Northeast Asia, they are a blatant violation of international law, and they contradict North Korea's own prior commitments.

"Now, the United States and the international community must take action in response."

The Korean Central News Agency (KCNA), the communist state's media outlet, said America's hostile policies have not changed under the Obama adminstration.

KCNA said North Korea is fully prepared for any "reckless" US attempt to attack it.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/North-Korea-To-Launch-Missile-Tuesday-Or-Wednesday-Off-West-Coast-South-Korea-Has-Said/Article/200905415288624?lpos=World_News_Top_Stories_Header _0&lid=ARTICLE_15288624_North_Korea_To_Launch_Missile _Tuesday_Or_W

Rockntractor
05-25-2009, 09:43 PM
This would be a perfect time to see if some of our dated arsenal still works.

djones520
05-25-2009, 10:17 PM
I may be wrong, but to my knowledge no gamma ray burst was detected the satellites that search for such things and that would indicate definite nuclear detonation. I don't think that nothing has been confirmed other than a large conventional explosion of some type. If you have something I would be interested in reading it. This is not a subject that I stay on top so I have to defer to the knowledge of otherd.

I'd love to share info with you, but it's one of those situations where I don't know what is classified, and what isn't, so... you get the idea.

hazlnut
05-25-2009, 10:19 PM
I think that is called misplaced faith pardner.If they test their bomb and it works what do you think they will do with it ?

I think that the warhead that N Korea just detonated was Irans and not theirs,what better place for Iran to test it and not be detected ?



You know what I think?

I think megimoo has gone off his meds again....
;):p

megimoo
05-25-2009, 10:21 PM
I may be wrong, but to my knowledge no gamma ray burst was detected the satellites that search for such things and that would indicate definite nuclear detonation. I don't think that nothing has been confirmed other than a large conventional explosion of some type. If you have something I would be interested in reading it. This is not a subject that I stay on top so I have to defer to the knowledge of otherd.Underground testing precludes any gamma rays being released to atmosphere.They are absorbed by the tunnel walls.A well planned underground shot will not even rupture the earth above the blast if it is deep enough.It also looks like the test also caused an earthquake of fair strength .

megimoo
05-25-2009, 10:31 PM
You know what I think?

I think megimoo has gone off his meds again....
;):pMost here are aware of your mental capabilitys Popa .Your past posts are a tribute to the lack of any noticable hint of anything in your empty skull to think with.Go and play with your hot rods you old goat !

hazlnut
05-25-2009, 10:39 PM
Most here are aware of your mental capabilitys Popa .Your past posts are a tribute to the lack of any noticable hint of anything in your empty skull to think with.Go and play with your hot rods you old goat !


Megs, as much as I want you to get back on your anti-psychotics, please wait until you sober up.

Seriously, dude. Just sleep it off tonight...;)

megimoo
05-25-2009, 10:53 PM
Megs, as much as I want you to get back on your anti-psychotics, please wait until you sober up.

Seriously, dude. Just sleep it off tonight...;)
You haven't changed a bit still the same old Die hard mindless California liberal.When the Progressive government of yours gets done with you you wont be racing side oilers around the Morgan Memorial parking lot .Every thing you own will be taxed at twice its value to pay the piper .Best to look for a Mexican buyer for your shop before the state goes completely belly up !

stsinner
05-25-2009, 11:57 PM
You know what I think?

I think megimoo has gone off his meds again....
;):p

Not for nothing, but megimoo warrants a, "his?" I sure messed that assumption up!!!

hazlnut
05-26-2009, 08:31 AM
You haven't changed a bit still the same old Die hard mindless California liberal.When the Progressive government of yours gets done with you you wont be racing side oilers around the Morgan Memorial parking lot .Every thing you own will be taxed at twice its value to pay the piper .Best to look for a Mexican buyer for your shop before the state goes completely belly up !

Do you believe we knew each other in another life??

megimoo
05-26-2009, 12:25 PM
Do you believe we knew each other in another life??You don't have a life you slug.You're something that grows on the bottom of petri dishes in a culture !

megimoo
05-26-2009, 03:53 PM
Iran: no nuclear, missile cooperation with N.Korea

Scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan, revered by many Pakistanis as the father of the country's nuclear bomb, confessed to selling nuclear secrets to Iran, North Korea and Libya in 2004.

"Pakistan to North Korea to Iran !The Pakistanis are Wahhabi Islam, extremist Islam and hate the Iranian Shai .The N Korean's couldn't care less about Islam ."

- Iran has no missile or nuclear cooperation with North Korea, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Monday, after North Korea conducted a second and far more powerful nuclear test.

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"We don't have any cooperation (with North Korea) in this field. We oppose the production, the amassing and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction," Ahmadinejad told a news conference.

Military experts say Iran's Shahab-3 missile is based on the North Korean Nodong missile. Tehran says Shahab-3 has a range of 2,000 km (1,200 miles), which defense analysts say would put Israel and U.S. bases in the Gulf within range.

Iran last week said it test-fired another missile -- Sejil 2 -- with a similar range, a move likely to spark new Western concern about its nuclear ambitions.

Ahmadinejad said weapons of mass destruction were against humanity and the world should get rid of them.
"While he producers weapons grade Uranium for his warheads !"

"Why should the people of the two Koreas and China and Japan have disputes which each other? They are all from the same culture. Threat is to everybody's disadvantage," he said.