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wilbur
06-02-2009, 01:48 PM
Would anyone at CU, either as a participant, or a reader, find it interesting to engage in more formalized debates or discussions over books (at the very least, select chapters from certain books), or maybe even videos, advocating certain points of view?

For example... a participant would suggest a book (or chapters from a book) arguing for some POV that they endorse or find particularly compelling... all participants would agree to read the material, summarize it and criticize or comment on it... then proceed to comment or criticize each others critique.

Of course, there would be reciprocation... I think its only fair that if one person proposes that we read and debate over a book that they identify with, that another person gets to suggest material, with the expectation that the other will read it and discuss it as well.

Such things can begin to feel like work after a while and we all have other more important things to tend to much of the time, so I think it would necessarily be a pretty open ended thing... I don't know if I like the idea of trying to establish hard deadlines or anything... but we'd at least have to commit to have some sort of regularity in our responses.

What do you think? Anyone like the idea? Aside from those who would like to participate in this kind of event, would others find it worthwhile to read such discussions?

Gingersnap
06-02-2009, 01:59 PM
If you guys put it together, I'll sticky it and bump it for you as well as policing any threadjackers. ;)

Milly
06-02-2009, 02:04 PM
Can we start with "Atlas Shrugged"?

wilbur
06-02-2009, 02:09 PM
Can we start with "Atlas Shrugged"?

The only downside I can think to that suggestion is that its loooooong. :)

Gingersnap
06-02-2009, 02:16 PM
The only downside I can think to that suggestion is that its loooooong. :)

Maybe agree on one or two specific chapters? I think everybody has probably read the book and understands Rand's basic philosophy regarding free markets.

wilbur
06-02-2009, 02:26 PM
Yea, that is why I suggested chapters from a book as well..

Ideally we'd be able to digest and discuss a whole book... but given that forums like this are secondary to real life for the most of us, it might not be realistic, in the case of really long books like Atlas Shrugged.

I haven't read Atlas Shrugged, so I can't say what one can glean or not from individual chapters... but I'm all for it if some think its worthwhile.

Ideally, the material would be at least a little controversial to some of the participants. That will provide the best fuel for good discussions and will also provide the best opportunities for all involved to expose themselves to material that they otherwise might not be exposed to.

I see this mostly as a good excuse to get all of us exposed to what others might consider the best viewpoints for their own positions.

hazlnut
06-02-2009, 03:17 PM
The only downside I can think to that suggestion is that its loooooong. :)

The Fountainhead is a much quicker read.

I'm in.

Gingersnap
06-02-2009, 03:35 PM
I see this mostly as a good excuse to get all of us exposed to what others might consider the best viewpoints for their own positions.

Objectivism usually manages to push everybody's buttons. :p

BadCat
06-02-2009, 04:26 PM
Looks like this will be a moonbat tea party.

To prevent that, I suggest we do "The Story of O".

Let's start with Chapter 4...

Does O really have the hots for Jacqueline?
Are the Commander and Sir Stephen secret gay lovers, only expressing an interest in the lovely O to hide the fact?
Is Natalie a voyeur or just a pervert?

Gingersnap
06-02-2009, 04:33 PM
Looks like this will be a moonbat tea party.

To prevent that, I suggest we do "The Story of O".

Let's start with Chapter 4...

Does O really have the hots for Jacqueline?
Are the Commander and Sir Stephen secret gay lovers, only expressing an interest in the lovely O to hide the fact?
Is Natalie a voyeur or just a pervert?

Translating Bad Cat:

Is voluntary servitude compatible with the principles of democracy in a truly free society? ;)

BadCat
06-02-2009, 04:51 PM
Translating Bad Cat:

Is voluntary servitude compatible with the principles of democracy in a truly free society? ;)

Very good.

How about de Sades "Justine" and its implications of utopian socialism?

Gingersnap
06-02-2009, 05:33 PM
Very good.

How about de Sades "Justine" and its implications of utopian socialism?

I could probably frame a pretty good summary after a couple of beers. :p

FlaGator
06-02-2009, 06:23 PM
The de Sade sounds much more interesting than Rand. How about Thomas Hobbs' Leviathan?

megimoo
06-02-2009, 06:43 PM
Looks like this will be a moonbat tea party.

To prevent that, I suggest we do "The Story of O".

Let's start with Chapter 4...

Does O really have the hots for Jacqueline?
Are the Commander and Sir Stephen secret gay lovers, only expressing an interest in the lovely O to hide the fact?
Is Natalie a voyeur or just a pervert?I agree if we let the known liberal moonbats drive their tea party.so we should have a poll/vote to suggest the appropriate book.

megimoo
06-02-2009, 06:48 PM
The de Sade sounds much more interesting than Rand. How about Thomas Hobbs' Leviathan?I vote James Joyce's masterwork, Finnegans Wake !

hazlnut
06-02-2009, 08:00 PM
I thought about it and two books I would like to debate the current relevance of are...

1984

Animal Farm** could be particularly interesting since socialism/marxism are a hot topics around here.

Shannon
06-02-2009, 08:44 PM
I thought about it and two books I would like to debate the current relevance of are...

1984

Animal Farm** could be particularly interesting since socialism/marxism are a hot topics around here.

I love both of those books. They are also short books so it wouldn't be a hassle to quickly read them again.

Rockntractor
06-02-2009, 08:53 PM
I thought about it and two books I would like to debate the current relevance of are...

1984

Animal Farm** could be particularly interesting since socialism/marxism are a hot topics around here.
Now I'm getting intersted!
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06-03-2009, 12:05 AM
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:cool:

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Charles was convicted of killing a Federal Judge. Woody is still trying to get Daddy out of the "big house"....

noonwitch
06-03-2009, 09:01 AM
Very good.

How about de Sades "Justine" and its implications of utopian socialism?



Or about the implication that living a virtuous life is useless because you can either voluntarily be a whore, and get rich at it, or life will make you a whore to all who have more power than you have.

Gingersnap
06-03-2009, 09:43 AM
Propose your books people and I'll make a poll when wilbur thinks we've got a representative group to vote on.

Gingersnap
06-03-2009, 09:11 PM
Anybody up for "Cry Wolf: A Political Fable" by Paul Lake? I did a review here on CU last winter. It's an excellent look at a politicaly correct and nanny state-oriented "Animal Farm". Not a long read, either.

Bubba Dawg
06-03-2009, 09:12 PM
Animal Farm is good by me.

Bubba Dawg
06-03-2009, 09:14 PM
Or about the implication that living a virtuous life is useless because you can either voluntarily be a whore, and get rich at it, or life will make you a whore to all who have more power than you have.

Did it come out in Classic Comics?

hazlnut
06-03-2009, 10:03 PM
Animal Farm is good by me.

Boy, did I call it or what? Anybody else for Animal Farm?

Bubba Dawg
06-03-2009, 10:07 PM
Boy, did I call it or what? Anybody else for Animal Farm?

Durn tootin'....

I read it in the seventh or eight grade and it was an introduction for me to humor and irony and satire...and Orwell.

Shannon
06-03-2009, 10:12 PM
Okay, let's start out with Animal Farm then. Any objections?

wilbur
06-03-2009, 10:18 PM
Ginger wanna tally up the book titles in this thread and start a poll? I'm up for Leviathon, Animal Farm or whatever really... I was going to subject myself to the whims of the board first, before I suggest my own books.

Shannon
06-03-2009, 10:33 PM
Ginger wanna tally up the book titles in this thread and start a poll? I'm up for Leviathon, Animal Farm or whatever really... I was going to subject myself to the whims of the board first, before I suggest my own books.

We don't want your suggestions.:p

Gingersnap
06-03-2009, 11:54 PM
We don't want your suggestions.:p

Oh, please! Yes, you have tonight to forward your suggestions for a poll tomorrow and then we'll vote.

Teetop
06-04-2009, 12:02 AM
Anybody up for "Cry Wolf: A Political Fable" by Paul Lake? I did a review here on CU last winter. It's an excellent look at a politicaly correct and nanny state-oriented "Animal Farm". Not a long read, either.

Thanks, I hate long reads.

I fall alseep.:o

CorwinK
06-04-2009, 11:22 PM
Animal Farm works for me as well...id like to suggest Empire by Orson Scott Card in addition to the current list. gotta go get a library card though...buying books just isnt in the budget at the moment...silly NJP's lol