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Teetop
06-02-2009, 04:01 PM
Way to go, Joe! (http://ktar.com/?nid=6&sid=1174078)

PHOENIX - Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his attorneys said in a press conference Monday that the U.S. Department of Justice and Homeland Security have an ulterior motive in their investigation into the sheriff's office.

Arpaio and his attorneys outlined their reasons for demanding an investigation into the two agencies for unethical conduct and improper political influence during the course of their investigation of Arpaio's illegal immigration enforcement policies.

"After serving with the DOJ for nearly 30 years as a ranking official with the DEA, it is almost painful to have to ask for this investigation," Arpaio says. "But I must take a stand. Every law enforcement agency the DOJ has investigated in the past has bowed down or rolled over to the federal government. This agency and this sheriff will not. Washington should not tell an elected sheriff how to conduct his law enforcement responsibilities."

Arpaio also said in a press release that the Obama administration is forcing the sheriff to bend on illegal immigration enforcement.

On March 10, the DOJ announced it was launching an investigation into Arpaio and his illegal immigration policies to see if he was racial profiling the Hispanic community.

Arpaio says since the investigation began, the DOJ investigators have lied to senior sheriff's office officials and engaged in an orchestrated scheme designed to acquire documents and witness testimony surreptitiously in order to discredit Arpaio and his office.

In a letter to U.S Attorney General Eric Holder and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, Arpaio voiced his concerns about the DOJ's investigation into his office.

One concern was that the DOJ and DHS officials obtained interviews and documents from senior sheriff's officials who should have been entitled to legal counsel but were denied.

Another concern Arpaio has is that in the "100 Day Report" to the Obama Administration, DOJ investigators bragged about the accomplishment of the investigation into Arpaio before they even had any evidence or facts.

Arpaio also says the DOJ admitted it based its investigation into Arpaio solely on "media reports". He says even Congressman John Conyers, Chairman of the Judicial Committee, said he had no facts or evidence other than what he read in the paper before he asked the DOJ to launch its probe.

Arpaio's attorneys say they are certain this investigation is not about justice but rather about a new Washington D.C. administration that wants Arpaio to do things the president's way, for the president's purpose.

:eek: Stalin, Lenin or Mao would be proud of SnObama.

AmPat
06-03-2009, 09:17 AM
Looks like the _hitcago thug tactics aren't going to work with this guy. Oblah-blah and company have bitten off more than they can chew. Arpaio may have them behind bars before it's all over. :D

Sonnabend
06-05-2009, 10:43 PM
I'd welcome an investigation into ol' Joe...and a few charges of murder would make me happy. He's a murdering, callous bastard.

Just how many people have died under his "care"?

Too many.

Rockntractor
06-05-2009, 10:49 PM
I'd welcome an investigation into ol' Joe...and a few charges of murder would make me happy. He's a murdering, callous bastard.

Just how many people have died under his "care"?

Too many.
You don't like the sherrif?

Sonnabend
06-06-2009, 10:21 PM
You don't like the sherrif?Let's start here, shall we?


6.1 Inmate deaths and injuries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Inmate_deaths_and_injuries)

6.1.1 Charles Agster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Charles_Agster)
6.1.2 Scott Norberg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Scott_Norberg)
6.1.3 Brian Crenshaw (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Brian_Crenshaw)
6.1.4 Richard Post (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Richard_Post)
6.1.5 Jeremy Flanders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Jeremy_Flanders)
6.1.6 Ambria Renee Spencer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Ambria_Renee_Spencer)
6.1.7 Jose Rodriguez (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Jose_Rodriguez)
6.1.8 Phillip Wilson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Phillip_Wilson)
6.1.9 Deborah Braillard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Deborah_Braillard)
6.1.10 Clint Yarbrough (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Clint_Yarbrough)
6.1.11 Thomas Bruce Cooley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Thomas_Bruce_Cooley)



Deborah Braillard, 46, was documented as a diabetic in the jail's health records. Her cellmates say a nurse did not give Braillard insulin, and then detention officers ignored her when she went into diabetic shock. Braillard died on January 23, 2005, ultimately from lack of insulin

Can we spell CRIMINAL NEGLECT,. kiddiewinkies???????????


For the next six days, nobody entered or left his cell. On March 14, Crenshaw was found unconscious next to his bunk. He had a broken neck, several broken toes, and extensive internal injuries. He was comatose, his intestines had ruptured, and his vertebrae needed to be straightened with a halo. Doctors told Crenshaw’s mother that his internal injuries were so severe they had to surgically open his stomach to relieve swelling. The sheriff’s office asserts that Crenshaw’s struggle with guards did not cause the injuries that led to his death. Despite the severity of Crenshaw’s injuries, the sheriff’s office maintains that these injuries were incurred when he fell from his bunk.

The bunk is 42 CENTIMETRES from the floor

Arpaio should have been charged with negligent homicide and jailed a long time ago.

And none of you fucking Arpaio fans would be making excuses for this fuckwit, if this had been a US Marine or other military who had died in this fashion...you'd be baying for his blood and a full investigation.

http://justdreadful.com/?p=270

Read the litany of deaths. DOZENS of them.

Rockntractor
06-06-2009, 10:28 PM
Let's start here, shall we?


6.1 Inmate deaths and injuries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Inmate_deaths_and_injuries)

6.1.1 Charles Agster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Charles_Agster)
6.1.2 Scott Norberg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Scott_Norberg)
6.1.3 Brian Crenshaw (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Brian_Crenshaw)
6.1.4 Richard Post (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Richard_Post)
6.1.5 Jeremy Flanders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Jeremy_Flanders)
6.1.6 Ambria Renee Spencer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Ambria_Renee_Spencer)
6.1.7 Jose Rodriguez (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Jose_Rodriguez)
6.1.8 Phillip Wilson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Phillip_Wilson)
6.1.9 Deborah Braillard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Deborah_Braillard)
6.1.10 Clint Yarbrough (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Clint_Yarbrough)
6.1.11 Thomas Bruce Cooley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Thomas_Bruce_Cooley)



Deborah Braillard, 46, was documented as a diabetic in the jail's health records. Her cellmates say a nurse did not give Braillard insulin, and then detention officers ignored her when she went into diabetic shock. Braillard died on January 23, 2005, ultimately from lack of insulin

Can we spell CRIMINAL NEGLECT,. kiddiewinkies???????????



The bunk is 42 CENTIMETRES from the floor

Arpaio should have been charged with negligent homicide and jailed a long time ago.

And none of you fucking Arpaio fans would be making excuses for this fuckwit, if this had been a US Marine or other military who had died in this fashion...you'd be baying for his blood and a full investigation.

http://justdreadful.com/?p=270

Read the litany of deaths. DOZENS of them.
I hadn't heard any of that.I was just asking you a question it would appear there is more here than I thought.

Teetop
06-06-2009, 11:00 PM
Let's start here, shall we?


6.1 Inmate deaths and injuries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Inmate_deaths_and_injuries)

6.1.1 Charles Agster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Charles_Agster)
6.1.2 Scott Norberg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Scott_Norberg)
6.1.3 Brian Crenshaw (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Brian_Crenshaw)
6.1.4 Richard Post (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Richard_Post)
6.1.5 Jeremy Flanders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Jeremy_Flanders)
6.1.6 Ambria Renee Spencer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Ambria_Renee_Spencer)
6.1.7 Jose Rodriguez (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Jose_Rodriguez)
6.1.8 Phillip Wilson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Phillip_Wilson)
6.1.9 Deborah Braillard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Deborah_Braillard)
6.1.10 Clint Yarbrough (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Clint_Yarbrough)
6.1.11 Thomas Bruce Cooley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Thomas_Bruce_Cooley)



Deborah Braillard, 46, was documented as a diabetic in the jail's health records. Her cellmates say a nurse did not give Braillard insulin, and then detention officers ignored her when she went into diabetic shock. Braillard died on January 23, 2005, ultimately from lack of insulin

Can we spell CRIMINAL NEGLECT,. kiddiewinkies???????????



The bunk is 42 CENTIMETRES from the floor

Arpaio should have been charged with negligent homicide and jailed a long time ago.

And none of you fucking Arpaio fans would be making excuses for this fuckwit, if this had been a US Marine or other military who had died in this fashion...you'd be baying for his blood and a full investigation.

http://justdreadful.com/?p=270

Read the litany of deaths. DOZENS of them.

Nice source. Don't want to die in the good Sheriff's care? Don't do the crime.

A bed 40 something centimeters off the floor? How about being attacked by another inmate? Should we now indict SnObama over deaths in Federal prisons as well?

And the last question...

Why hasn't he been charged in any of the deaths you posted from wikifuckingpedia?! :confused:

DUH!

Hey sonna, before you go spouting off, you might want to check the footnotes to wikifuckingpedia...

The footnote for Deborah Braillard, has not a fucking thing to say about her.

Nice fucking source you posted. Look at footnote #63, it's about Abrett Spencer, not Deborah Braillard. (http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2008-10-30/news/arpaio-s-jail-staff-cost-ambrett-spencer-her-baby-and-she-s-not-the-only-one/1)

Teetop
06-06-2009, 11:35 PM
Wanna blame someone?

Blame the Board of Supervisors. (http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/06/01/20090601chs-database.html?&wired)


An Arizona Republic investigation into Correctional Health Services reveals a system with chronic problems and top county officials who seem unwilling to fix them. Today, in the second of a two-part series, The Republic explores the value of an electronic records system and what the old system costs Maricopa County taxpayers.

CHS' problems with managing inmate health data have been repeatedly blamed by family members, inmate advocates, hired consultants and numerous lawsuits for unnecessary suffering and deaths in the county jails

Since 1998, the county has paid out $13 million in legal fees, settlements and jury verdicts to inmates and families for injury and death claims against CHS.

Dozens more lawsuits are pending against the county. The lack of an electronic records system was a factor in January when CHS lost its accreditation, after almost three years on probation. And loss of accreditation makes CHS even more vulnerable to lawsuits by inmates or their families who claim poor health care.

The Board of Supervisors has spent at least $250,000 on three consultants seeking solutions to CHS problems. All three recommended installing an electronic records system. The board twice sought bids on a system. Two years ago, there was a contract to install the system, but the board canceled.


Yep, all his fault....

Rockntractor
06-07-2009, 02:19 AM
Wikipedia 'sentinel' quits after using alias to alter entries


Conflict-of-interest row forces out the Labour councillor who changed David Cameron's page

By Jamie Welham and Nina Lakhani

Sunday, 7 June 2009



David Boothroyd has had to quit the Wikipedia panel



A "guardian of the truth" on Wikipedia, the global internet encyclopedia, has been caught up in an embarrassing scandal after it was revealed that he created bogus online identities to change entries on the system.


David Boothroyd – a London councillor by day, a cyber policeman by night – has been forced to resign from Wikipedia's Arbitration Committee after his alias editing gave rise to a major conflict of interest.

The Labour councillor's fall from grace comes two years after he fought off stiff international competition to win a coveted seat on the 15-strong committee, which is responsible for settling hundreds of editorial disputes every day.

His membership of "ArbCom" was no longer tenable after it emerged that he had committed one of the most serious crimes in cyberspace: sockpuppeting – the use of multiple online identities to create the illusion of support for a point of view, person or organisation.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/wikipedia-sentinel-quits-after-using-alias-to-alter-entries-1698762.html

I am skeptical about attacks against the sheriff because the current administration will do anything to falsify evidence against him. Wikipedia is just to easy to use to turn public opinion against him. That by no means disproves your opinion of him sonna. I have had personnel experience with many sheriffs throughout the southern states during my younger days and a lot of them were little dictators that did whatever they wanted inside their jails. I am going to have to withhold any opinion on him because I do not trust the evidence.

cat714
06-08-2009, 03:35 AM
I haven't heard anything about these jail deaths. I like Arpaio and he is very popular in AZ. He wins reelection with about 80% of the vote each time.

How can you not like his style??


Sheriff Joe Arpaio (in Arizona) is doing it RIGHT!! He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them. He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jails. Took away their weights. Cut off all but "G" movies. He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city projects. Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for discrimination.

He took away cable TV until he found out there was a federal court order that required cable TV for jails. So he hooked up the cable TV again but only let in the Disney channel and the weather channel. When asked why the weather channel he replied, so "they will know how hot it's gonna be while they are working on my chain gangs."

He cut off coffee since it has zero nutritional value. When the inmates complained, he told them.....this is a good one...... "This isn't the Ritz/Carlton. If you don't like it, don't come back."

He bought Newt Gingrich's lecture series on videotape that he pipes into the jails. When asked by a reporter if he had any lecture series by a Democrat, he replied that "a democratic lecture series might explain why a lot of the inmates were in my jails in the first place." You have to love this guy!!

More on the AZ Sheriff:

With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116 degrees just set a new record), the Associated Press reports:

About 2,000 inmates living in a barbed-wire-surrounded tent encampment at the Maricopa County Jail have been given permission to strip down to their government-issued pink boxer shorts. On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were either curled up on their bunk beds or chatted in the tents, which reached 138 degrees inside the week before. Many were also swathed in wet, pink towels as sweat collected on their chests and dripped down to their pink socks. "It feels like we are in a furnace," said James Zanzot, an inmate who has lived in the tents for 1 1/2 years. "It's inhumane."

Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and long ago started making his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates: "It's 120 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to wear full battle gear, but they didn't commit any crimes... so shut your damned mouths."

Sonnabend
06-10-2009, 01:58 AM
Nice source. Don't want to die in the good Sheriff's care? Don't do the crime.Except that a great many of those in his jail are awaiting trial hence innocent until proven guilty

Forgot, did we?

A bed 40 something centimeters off the floor? How about being attacked by another inmate? Should we now indict SnObama over deaths in Federal prisons as well?Duty of care. Look it up.

Multiple bowel perforations and fractured skull from falling off a bunk?


And the last question...

Why hasn't he been charged in any of the deaths you posted from wikifuckingpedia?! :confused:For the same reason that NoBama is in the WH. Think on that.And by the way, jerkweed, the cases in question are documented elsewhere, if you ever get up the energey to go look.


Hey sonna, before you go spouting off, you might want to check the footnotes to wikifuckingpedia...Okay

Love to

Forty-six-year-old Deborah Braillard passed away January 25th, 2005, after being arrested for alleged probation violations. In 2003, she had been placed on three years probation after being convicted of drug offenses and credit-card violations. When she was booked into jail on January 2nd, Deborah and her family were concerned for her safety.


Because she was a diabetic, she required frequent insulin injections. However, because of her prior conviction and jail stay, jail medical personnel knew about her condition.

Nurses were present in her cell on January 3rd and on the 4th, but they did not examine her or administer insulin.
On January 5th, a security report notes that Braillard had begun "kicking… groaning (and) yelling." She was moved to another room where her wails wouldn't disturb officers and awaken other inmates. A few hours later, a nurse entered the pod, but again, did not treat Braillard or give her an insulin injection. As soon as the switchboard opened at seven a.m., Jennifer Braillard, Deborah's daughter, called and notified officials that her mother was diabetic, and she told them what kind of insulin her mother needed.

Hours later, Braillard fell into a diabetic coma. On January 5th, she entered the hospital, where she drifted in and out of consciousness,where she passed away in the hospital on January 23rd. If jailers would have bothered to look at Braillard's records, they would have noticed that during an earlier incarceration, she was given insulin every day.

Culpable negligence.

Okay forget wiki

Try this

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2007-12-20/news/inhumanity-has-a-price


New York City (http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/related/to/New+York+City), Los Angeles (http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/related/to/Los+Angeles), Chicago (http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/related/to/Chicago), and Houston (http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/related/to/Houston), for example, collectively housed more than 61,000 inmates per day last year. From 2004 through November of this year, these same county jails had a combined 43 prison-conditions lawsuits filed against them in federal courts.

In the very same three-year time frame, despite housing a mere 9,200 prisoners per day, Sheriff Arpaio was the target of a staggering 2,150 lawsuits in U.S. District Court (http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/related/to/U.S.+District+Court) and hundreds more in Maricopa County courts.
Or this


Three weeks after the ignored doctor's appointment, McCollum was finally rushed to thecounty hospital for the second time. She had lost so much blood that doctors gave her a massive blood transfusion. Then they removed the dead fetus. It's important to note that McCollum hadn't been convicted of a crime. Like inmates whose deaths are recounted later in this story, McCollum was awaiting trial — innocent under the law.
Recent figures estimate that 70 percent of inmates are pretrial detainees. Meaning many of them will soon walk out of court hearings and back to their lives outside jail.

Teetop
06-10-2009, 04:34 PM
Sonna? One of my best friends was in Joe's jail. He told me, if you are a model inmate, life is easy. He also said those who want to act up and act a fool, get their just due.

Leslie was there over 4 years, head coach of the baseball team, who also won the championship for jails in Arizona, three years in a row. He also got his Heating andAir Conditioning certification, which he wanted all of his life.

Leslie was adopted, a had a pretty hard life growing up. After he spent those four years in Joe's jail, he finally was at ease with Leslie. Tradgically, he died of a massive heart attack when he was only 43, five years ago.

You can dis-agree with Joe's tactics and standards, but he will enforce all local, state and federal laws, as he should.

And Leslie said he had great respect for Joe and the job he does.

edit to add; Most prisoners sit reading law books, bringing suits against the jails, state and local governments all the time. Just to tie up the "system" and for something to pass the time with.

PoliCon
06-10-2009, 04:46 PM
Nurses were present in her cell on January 3rd and on the 4th, but they did not examine her or administer insulin. if true - sounds like the medical staff is negligent. That does not make The Sheriff culpable or a murder.

ETA - I'm not sure I am willing to trust the testimony of people with police records as long as their arms. Something that just doesn't smack of trustworthiness if you ask me.

BadCat
06-10-2009, 04:54 PM
Those of us who have the EXTREME PLEASURE of having Joe Arpaio as OUR sheriff, do not give a shit what folks in Australia think about him, or folks anywhere else in the world either.

WE like him, WE re-elect him EVERY TIME, and will continue to do so as long as he wants to run.

People don't like him? They can stay the fuck out of Maricopa County.

Sonnabend
06-11-2009, 03:40 AM
if true - sounds like the medical staff is negligent. That does not make The Sheriff culpable or a murder.Yes he is responsible.

His jail, his command, every single thing that happens there is on HIS head. He is in charge.

If they screw up, HE is the one who answers for it as they work in HIS jail and HE is in charge.

Duty of care. One of the laws he swore to uphold as Sheriff. Or are you saying that somehow he is not accountable?


I'm not sure I am willing to trust the testimony of people with police records as long as their arms

You seem to have a reading problem. if they have not yet been tried they have not committed ANY crime and until such time as they are tried, they are innocent until proven guilty.


People don't like him? They can stay the fuck out of Maricopa County.

Oh I quite agree...especially when there is a very real chance of you winding up dead after being arrested for shoplifting.

Y'know, the hypocrisy here is quite sickening. At least twelve questionable deaths in his jail. If this had been a military jail you lot would be screaming for someone's blood.

Go ahead, re elect the bastard. Until one day you will suddenly realise just who and what he is.

AmPat
06-11-2009, 03:43 AM
I don't believe the good Sherriff has time to know every detail of every jail he oversees:

A Typical Workday for the
Maricopa County Justice
Systems Means* . . .
• 344 adults booked into jail
• 9,733 total adults in jail
• 433 juveniles in detention
• 41,382 meals served to juvenile
detainees and adult inmates
• 569 adult inmates transported to a
court appearance
• 1,200 hearings scheduled in Superior
Court
• 300 (approx) residents appear for
jury duty (to Superior, Justice, and
most Municipal Courts)
• 1,973 adults in the community under
officer supervision pending trial
• 29,217 adults in the community
supervised by probation officers after
sentencing
• Over 1,700 cases filed in Justice
Courts
• 107 new felony cases filed
• 430 total cases filed with Superior
Court
• 12,659 court documents filed
• 37,000 pieces of paper filed with
the Clerk of the Superior Court
• $514,081 spent for detaining adults
• $1.78 million spent in the overall
County criminal justice system.
* daily average of statistics for fiscal
year 2005-06MARICOPA COUNTY
JUSTICE SYSTEM
ANNUAL ACTIVITIES REPORT
FISCAL YEAR 2005-06

I'm sure the numbers have increased over the past couple of years. :cool:

Sonnabend
06-11-2009, 03:59 AM
I'm not sure I am willing to trust the testimony of people with police records as long as their arms. Something that just doesn't smack of trustworthiness if you ask me.

http://afscimmigration.blogspot.com/2009/03/drawing-line-on-hate-and-bigotry-in.html

Physical abuse of inmates by staff

· Staff and administrative failure to address allegations of physical abuse

· Failure to discipline staff found to have abused detainees and inmates

· False reporting regarding use of force and allegations of abuse

· Denial of access to counsel - thats Miranda, folks.

· Inadequate medical care

Go ahead, research it all you like, form any source you like.

They all say the same thing.

Sonnabend
06-11-2009, 04:01 AM
I don't believe the good Sherriff has time to know every detail of every jail he oversees:Yep,total bullshit and denial. He is in charge and that jail is his responsibility, And if he cant manage it then he needs to be replaced.

His staff. His guards. His prisoners.

His head.

Fuck it..you've got your head jammed so far up his ass it isnt funny. I'm done here.

Sonnabend
06-11-2009, 05:55 AM
A Captain's head rolls if one of his soldiers screws up

A Major gets his ass handed to him when one of his troops screws up and the Captain is first on the shit list.

Arpaio is in charge of that jail and if one of his people screws up it's HIS head and his alone.

Those prisoners are there under HIS care and it is HIS duty of care to see to it that they are treated humanely and in accordance with all the laws of the state that he himself swore to uphold the day he put on that badge.

I find your hypocrisy, and your moral equivalence sickening. Go read the facts for yourself, and I gaurantee you that not one word of any of this is "made up".

Oh yeah I almost forgot


• $1.78 million spent in the overall County criminal justice system.

ADD

$41.4 million solely in legal fees, insurance premiums, and payouts to the people who've sued him.

BadCat
06-11-2009, 11:34 AM
Ok Sonna, we've argued about this before, but please consider this...

If you don't live in Maricopa county, the things you hear about Joe Arpaio are broadcast by the VERY LIBERAL Phoenix media. They HATE Arpaio because he enforces the illegal immigration laws. By the time you guys hear anything, the "news" has again been "filtered" by the EXTREMELY LIBERAL national media.

All of these "claims" against Arpaio have been investigated, and if there were anything there, the LIBERALS would be SURE to find it.

Teetop
06-11-2009, 04:50 PM
Ok Sonna, we've argued about this before, but please consider this...

If you don't live in Maricopa county, the things you hear about Joe Arpaio are broadcast by the VERY LIBERAL Phoenix media. They HATE Arpaio because he enforces the illegal immigration laws. By the time you guys hear anything, the "news" has again been "filtered" by the EXTREMELY LIBERAL national media.

All of these "claims" against Arpaio have been investigated, and if there were anything there, the LIBERALS would be SURE to find it.

No shit...

Sonnabend
06-12-2009, 07:46 AM
All of these "claims" against Arpaio have been investigated, and if there were anything there, the LIBERALS would be SURE to find it.Oh, I am sure that eventually, the real truth will be exposed. When he leaves office..or dies.

I am expecting that the body count will be much, much higher.

Teetop
06-12-2009, 05:20 PM
Oh, I am sure that eventually, the real truth will be exposed. When he leaves office..or dies.

I am expecting that the body count will be much, much higher.

Yeah, the truth will be, the inmates lied or "expanded" the stories to fit a certain claim.

The body count will stay the same...

Sonnabend
06-12-2009, 09:06 PM
Yeah, the truth will be, the inmates lied or "expanded" the stories to fit a certain claim.

Oh so those people arent dead? Wow, better tell their families.

Teetop
06-12-2009, 10:23 PM
Oh so those people arent dead? Wow, better tell their families.

Never said that, did I?

Joe isn't in total control of his jail system. Othesr control money and resources. Something you might not grasp. Any jail pays out for lawsuits. When was/is the indictment coming for Joe?

Just answer that.

Although, you said long ago you were done speaking on this subject.:rolleyes:

Sonnabend
06-12-2009, 10:41 PM
Never said that, did I?

Joe isn't in total control of his jail system. Others control money and resources. Something you might not grasp. Any jail pays out for lawsuits. When was/is the indictment coming for Joe?

If there is any justice. Soon.

J
ust answer that.

Although, you said long ago you were done speaking on this subject.:rolleyes:

When you're done licking Arpaio's ass, go lick Obama's.The two of them have a lot in common.

Teetop
06-12-2009, 10:51 PM
If there is any justice. Soon.

J

When you're done licking Arpaio's ass, go lick Obama's.The two of them have a lot in common.

Not licking anyone's ass. SInce you see throught the "rose coloured glasses"of wikifuckingpedia.

THe people re-elect him, live with it. Otherwise STFU. How many indictments have there been so far?

Not one.So ....there ya go.

Rockntractor
06-12-2009, 11:13 PM
Not licking anyone's ass. SInce you see throught the "rose coloured glasses"of wikifuckingpedia.

THe people re-elect him, live with it. Otherwise STFU. How many indictments have there been so far?

Not one.So ....there ya go.
I have to agree with you. If they had any proof whatsoever even for manslaughter they would have hung his ass a long time ago.

patriot45
06-12-2009, 11:39 PM
He is effective, all the Liberals hate him and would like to see him fall to these smear tactics! The smears are even coming from overseas!:eek:

I think even Sonna said something about being innocent untill proven guilty. Too bad he don't think it should be applied to Joe!

Rockntractor
06-12-2009, 11:53 PM
I hitchhiked from New Orleans to McAllen Texas in 1977. I couldn’t find work there because every out of work Carney in the country was already down there looking for a job that winter so I decided to head up to St Louis . I started hitchhiking up through southern Texas and the county sheriff pulled up next to me. He asked me what the hell was a longhaired boy doing in his county. I told him and he pointed out a sign about Ύ mile down the road. He said you see that sign boy? That’s the county line and we’re going to see how fast you can run there. I ran and he followed me with his bumper on my ass all the way to the county line. That’s when I learned. Don’t mess with Texas!

sgrooms
06-13-2009, 01:24 AM
Damn...after reading all that, I am still of the same mind.

Don't fuck up and you don't have to worry about it. If you have done something to get put there, then that's life.

My Mom always wanted me to have some compassion for a couple of my brothers that are always in trouble. She told me "If that was you, you would want someone to come see you in jail."

My response has always been I wouldn't put myself in the position to have to worry about being in jail.

That seems pretty simple.

Sonnabend
06-13-2009, 01:52 AM
I think even Sonna said something about being innocent untill proven guilty. Too bad he don't think it should be applied to Joe!Arpaio is alive and kicking.

Pity the same cant be said for twelve others...but then again, from your point of view, they deserved it anyway.

I mean,as far as you are concerned, theyre all guillty regardless, from your way of thinking, right? Who gives a fuck if some guy arrested for shoplifting is found dead the following day?

You sure as hell don't.

Well, from this day forwards, if you dont want to hold Arpaio accountable then i dont want to hear ONE FUCKING WORD from you about Obama

NOT ONE.

If Arpaio isnt held responsible for his actions then Obama gets a free pass from you as well.


Don't fuck up and you don't have to worry about it. If you have done something to get put there, then that's life.Ah I see....so the moment you are arrested, all your Constitutional rights go out the window??

YOU FUCKING SICK HYPOCRITE.

Sonnabend
06-13-2009, 05:27 AM
My response has always been I wouldn't put myself in the position to have to worry about being in jail.A corrupt bastard like Arpaio doesn't let silly things like the rule of law get in the way. I have heard a lot about the Constitution and "your rights" over the years here...and what do I find?

That to you, the Constitution is fit for some but not for others, and that the "inalienable rights" you prate on about are actually selectively applied.

Eighth Amendment: sound familiar?

Sixth Amendment: Are you aware that Arpaio at one stage refused to do his job and transport prisoners to their trials? That he in fact violated their Constitutional rights?

http://www.arpaio.com/wordpress/?cat=2


Arpaio’s solution was drastic: He stopped transporting prisoners to court hearings. Forty-six inmates never made it to court on November 6 — even though getting defendants to hearings is one job the sheriff must do under state law. Or this

http://www.bloggernews.net/110389


On July 17th of this year, the sheriff and county backed away from the wrath of lawyers and millions in future civil damages and Robert went to Denver’s National Jewish Medical and Research Center. In just two weeks, doctors did what Sheriff Joe and the Joseph Mengele medical institute graduates in maricopa county health refused to do for almost two years.

They gave him medical care and removed his TB infected left lung. Following six weeks of recovery, the hospital released him Tuesday morning fully recovered. “They literally saved my life,” admitted Daniels. “I’m no longer contagious.”CU is a great place, but in all honesty? People like you make me want to throw up.

You kick and scream about how "your rights" are "taken away" yet when confronted by real evidence of criminal behaviour by a sheriff who is "your hero" you look the other way.

Hypocrite.

Teetop
06-14-2009, 09:00 PM
At least Joe wouldn't let this happen to one of his prisoners..... (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.edced6444cf2cfa7b252bd6dbdc8fd0 9.201&show_article=1)

patriot45
06-14-2009, 09:16 PM
A corrupt bastard like Arpaio doesn't let silly things like the rule of law get in the way. I have heard a lot about the Constitution and "your rights" over the years here...and what do I find?

That to you, the Constitution is fit for some but not for others, and that the "inalienable rights" you prate on about are actually selectively applied.

Eighth Amendment: sound familiar?

Sixth Amendment: Are you aware that Arpaio at one stage refused to do his job and transport prisoners to their trials? That he in fact violated their Constitutional rights?

http://www.arpaio.com/wordpress/?cat=2

Or this

http://www.bloggernews.net/110389

CU is a great place, but in all honesty? People like you make me want to throw up.

You kick and scream about how "your rights" are "taken away" yet when confronted by real evidence of criminal behaviour by a sheriff who is "your hero" you look the other way.

Hypocrite.

Hey did you lose someone to Sheriff Joe? Because you are sounding more and more like that loon from DU, Joanne98 or something, she has unhealthy obsessions with lost causes also!

AmPat
06-19-2009, 09:07 PM
Yep,total bullshit and denial. He is in charge and that jail is his responsibility, And if he cant manage it then he needs to be replaced.

His staff. His guards. His prisoners.

His head.

Fuck it..you've got your head jammed so far up his ass it isnt funny. I'm done here.

Sounds like somebody's a little testy. I can't reconcile how you can be so anti JOE way over there in Australia and the good people nearby in Arizona keep electing him. He has passed all the scrutiny that a hostile media can throw at him and wins. Perhaps you are correct, but he is innocent so far against all charges, including yours.

Shannon
06-19-2009, 09:38 PM
In just two weeks, doctors did what Sheriff Joe and the Joseph Mengele medical institute graduates in maricopa county health refused to do for almost two years.


Mengele? Really? I can't take anything else written in that piece seriously after that.

Teetop
06-19-2009, 11:20 PM
Mengele? Really? I can't take anything else written in that piece seriously after that.

You're just jealous.... ;)

Sonnabend
06-20-2009, 08:50 AM
Sounds like somebody's a little testy. I can't reconcile how you can be so anti JOE way over there in Australia and the good people nearby in Arizona keep electing him.I know. Says a lot for your system, doesnt it? We have one death in custody, theres an investigation and criminal charges are to follow I see that in Arpaio's case, none of that is true.

Nice try and bullshit.

You have dozens of questionable deaths and the man in charge is a hero.

Like I said. you're a hypocrite.


He has passed all the scrutiny that a host ile media can throw at him and wins. Perhaps you are correct, but he is innocent so far against all charges, including yours."Hostile media"? BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!!!!!


Hey did you lose someone to Sheriff Joe? Because you are sounding more and more like that loon from DU, Joanne98 or something, she has unhealthy obsessions with lost causes also!Dear me, looks like the trail of bodies is continuing

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2009/02/sheriff_joe_arpaio_sued_over_t.php

This is the kicker: they had cameras and no one watching them......looks like more culpable negiligence, more lawsuits....


As Robbins' suit alleges, four inmates walked into a cell where Cotton was housed. Inmate Pete Vanwinkle (the guy on the left in our photo) then allegedly pummeled, kicked, and choked Cotton, "in plain view of the jail's surveillance camera."

The lawsuit goes on, "The attack continues for fifteen minutes in the cell, at which time Vanwinkle dragged [Cotton's] body into the hallway, again in full view of the jail's surveillance camera, where the attack continued for another five minutes ..."The attack, Robbins concludes, "would have been observable and preventable but for the Defendant's failure to monitor the camera."Oh and as for Joe "not being responsible": try vicarious liability, duty of care, culpable negligence, criminal neglect....

So it's unhealthy to notice the growing pile of corpses on the watch of a "lawman"...okay,,from this day onward I do not want to see one more post from you about Obama

Not one.

If Arpaio is not responsiible for what happens under his watch then neither is Obama.

Hypocrite.

AmPat
06-20-2009, 04:19 PM
I know. Says a lot for your system, doesnt it? We have one death in custody, theres an investigation and criminal charges are to follow I see that in Arpaio's case, none of that is true.

Nice try and bullshit.

You have dozens of questionable deaths and the man in charge is a hero.

Like I said. you're a hypocrite.

"Hostile media"? BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!!!!!

Hypocrite.

OK Great One. Apparently you, a health care worker( in AUSTRALIA) and part time professional know-it-all, have evidence,,,,,,PROOF I SAY! of the Sheriff's guilt?

I already allowed that "you may be correct." To date however, you are INCORRECT. You simply have emotions over the issue, not actionable proof.

Oh BTW, support your insult. You called me a hypocrit. How? When? Why?

I am willing to give the man the benefit of innocent until proven guilty. He has been acquited every time meaning he was PROVEN INNOCENT. Apparently you believe guilty until proven innocent or worse "guilty even after acquital" because; "I have Strong Emotions making me "feel" he is guilty."

I remember you defending OJ on this board because he was ACQUITTED. He is a known murderous POS and got away with it, yet you defend him. I'm thinking YOU are the hypocrit.:cool:

Sonnabend
06-20-2009, 06:39 PM
OK Great One. Apparently you, a health care worker( in AUSTRALIA) and part time professional know-it-all, have evidence,,,,,,PROOF I SAY! of the Sheriff's guilt? I said he is accountable Those people died on his watch. In his jail. Under his care and his responsibility. We had one death in custody, there is an investigation and charges are to follow.

Arpaio has over a dozen and no one has been held to account.


I already allowed that "you may be correct." To date however, you are INCORRECT. You simply have emotions over the issue, not actionable proof.These people are DEAD. Thats all the proof I need. When's the inquiry? When will he be charged? Will Arpaio face court and give a rational explanation as to how this happened with staff under his command?.

No?

Didnt think so


Oh BTW, support your insult. You called me a hypocrit. How? When? Why? When you lot stop slurping Ariaos asshole and start looking uinto the rapidly growing number of people who have died under his watch, then you'll have credibility.

You call; Obama every name under the sun and hold him to account for his screwups,..,.but not Arpaio.

Like I said.

Hypocrite.


I am willing to give the man the benefit of innocent until proven guilty. He has been acquited every time meaning he was PROVEN INNOCENT. Apparently you believe guilty until proven innocent or worse "guilty even after acquital" because; "I have Strong Emotions making me "feel" he is guilty." ...and the body count continues to climb.


I remember you defending OJ on this board because he was ACQUITTED. He is a known murderous POS and got away with it, yet you defend him. I'm thinking YOU are the hypocrit.:cool:I said a civil trial is a violation of double jeopardy. It is.

Arpaio is yet to face one charge, as each and every case is swept under the rug, encouraged by all those who "love Sheriff Joe" and cant see why anyone would want to criticise this "champion of the law".....and in the background, the list of the dead continues to grow....and grow....and grow.........

http://realcostofprisons.org/blog/archives/2009/01/az_arpaio_gets.html


The disregard for the rights of people who are accused of something illegal is all too common. Mr. Arpaio’s jails are full of people awaiting trail who cannot make bail; by his own accounting, 117 people have died in his custody, including many with serious mental health problems.That's one state, one jail in a country of 300 million.

Guess what...in Australia, there were 69 deaths in custody in a YEAR (2002) and thats the entire country....Arpaio has 117 deaths so far in one state.

In 2008? 23 Aust wide...I am happy to say that the parallel Arpaio here would be in a jail cell convicted of multiple counts of negligent homicide..when someone dies on the watch of a prison commander, he or she had better be ready to explain exactly how it happened and what was done to prevent it or their ass is a rug, the officers involved had better be ready to hand in their badges and get ready for the dole queue..and they better get lawyers because there will be criminal charges

117 dead.

Arpaio's deputies handed a man they had already been told was a suicide risk, a disposable razor...shock horror, he used it to slit his wrists. And you dont see a single thing wrong. or a single reason to think that maybe your hero has more than a few questions to answer?

I will say it again and maybe one of you will take the time to look up this simple concept that we "backward Aussies" seem to get but you oh so clever Americans dont

DUTY OF CARE

PoliCon
06-20-2009, 11:42 PM
Personally - I don't think enough inmates die each year. I'm all for expanding capital punishment to include things such as sexual abuse of children - rape - voter fraud . . . .

Shannon
06-21-2009, 12:33 AM
Personally - I don't think enough inmates die each year. I'm all for expanding capital punishment to include things such as sexual abuse of children - rape - voter fraud . . . .

ROFL. That's a Shannon comment.

PoliCon
06-21-2009, 12:34 AM
ROFL. That's a Shannon comment.

:cool:

Sonnabend
06-21-2009, 08:14 AM
Personally - I don't think enough inmates die each year. I'm all for expanding capital punishment to include things such as sexual abuse of children - rape - voter fraud . . . .

More than 70 percent of all the people in Arpao's jails have not yet been convicted of anything. One of the more recent deaths involved a person accused of shoplifting..I wasnt aware that that was a capital crime.

So, Policon, you think that the moment a person is arrested,. all their rights go out the window, and who cares if they die.

Interesting.

PoliCon
06-21-2009, 07:27 PM
More than 70 percent of all the people in Arpao's jails have not yet been convicted of anything. One of the more recent deaths involved a person accused of shoplifting..I wasnt aware that that was a capital crime.

So, Policon, you think that the moment a person is arrested,. all their rights go out the window, and who cares if they die.

Interesting.

Don't start none - won't be none.

thinker
06-21-2009, 07:31 PM
Riiiiiiiight...because an innocent man NEVER got arrested in this country....:rolleyes:

PoliCon
06-21-2009, 07:45 PM
Riiiiiiiight...because an innocent man NEVER got arrested in this country....:rolleyes:

there is no such thing as an innocent man.

thinker
06-21-2009, 08:05 PM
there is no such thing as an innocent man.

Are we speaking in the metaphysical sense or the practical sense? In the metaphysical, yes, in the practical, that's why we have a judge and jury and not just a plain ol' executioner. :rolleyes:

PoliCon
06-21-2009, 08:48 PM
Are we speaking in the metaphysical sense or the practical sense? In the metaphysical, yes, in the practical, that's why we have a judge and jury and not just a plain ol' executioner. :rolleyes:

Like I said - don't start none - won't be none.

Teetop
06-21-2009, 09:09 PM
Like I said - don't start none - won't be none.

Indeed and agreed.

thinker
06-21-2009, 09:22 PM
:rolleyes:...whatever, boys.

Sonnabend
06-22-2009, 07:54 AM
there is no such thing as an innocent man.And you just blew whatever credibility you had left

Y'know, I'm an Aussie, and it astounds me that you have forgotten this. Don't you read your own Constitution?

And I refer to:

U.S. Constitution: Fourteenth Amendment


Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Seems to me the founders had very much the ideal that a man is innocent until proven guilty

And this

Amendment V


No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI


In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
oh yes

almost forgot

Eighth Amendment


Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Game, set, match.

Sonnabend
06-22-2009, 08:06 AM
If it will help, I can discuss Miranda / Escobedo with you sometime...y'know,that pesky law that says a cop has to read you your rights after they arrest you?

Lemme know, I love teaching civics.

Seems like you missed that course in HS. Pity.

patriot45
06-22-2009, 09:17 AM
If it will help, I can discuss Miranda / Escobedo with you sometime...y'know,that pesky law that says a cop has to read you your rights after they arrest you?

Lemme know, I love teaching civics.

Seems like you missed that course in HS. Pity.

You are in luck, you just got the mighty race baiter, who is a proven liar on your side.

What a joke (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/19/al-sharpton-takes-phoenixs-sheriff-joe-arpaio-calls-video-showing-racial/)



The Rev. Al Sharpton on Friday called for opponents of an Arizona sheriff who has aggressively cracked down on illegal immigration to videotape alleged racial profiling by the sheriff's office.

Sonnabend
06-22-2009, 06:15 PM
You are in luck, you just got the mighty race baiter, who is a proven liar on your side.

My arguments stand on their own, and need no help.

Care to comment on Policon's little homily? Sounds like some of you dont really think the Constitution applies to everyone.


there is no such thing as an innocent man.

Did I mention the word hypocrite?

Teetop
06-22-2009, 06:23 PM
My arguments stand on their own, and need no help.

Care to comment on Policon's little homily? Sounds like some of you dont really think the Constitution applies to everyone.



Did I mention the word hypocrite?

So, since you know so much...

When are the indictments coming down for Joe????

Never.

Sonnabend
06-22-2009, 06:30 PM
So, since you know so much...

When are the indictments coming down for Joe????

Never.Oh maybe soon enough, if the current investigation has the teeth to do the job.If its swept under the carpet, as it has been done before, after he leaves office or he dies...the truth will come out.

Arpaio..Obama.....it's the same thing,. Enough credulous fools and drooling fanbois to elect him...and then turn a blind eye to what they represent and what they have done.

117 dead.

Y'see, where I live, the prisons are run by the government and if there were 117 deaths in ONE prison?....there'd be whats called a Royal Commission and heads would roll.

And people facing jail for murder, malfeasance and a host of other charges.

But please, keep licking Joe's ass. It's amusing for me to see you do what you decry in the media concerning Obama, I guess history does repeat itself.

You Americans prate on about how great the US is and how well the system works...but in an Australian prison, a m,an arrested will face court...not a coroner. We kinda like the idea of the people in jail living loing enough to finish their sentences...so do their families.

I guess in this area, we Aussies have the better solution. Last time I checked, shoplifting didnt merit the death penalty.

"There is no such thing as an innocent man"

My my.....how revealing...

Rockntractor
06-22-2009, 06:48 PM
Hoover man to serve one year in prison for wife's honeymoon death
Victim's family calls court's decision 'ludicrous'

By Cassandra Mickens (Contact) | Shelby County Reporter

Published Friday, June 5, 2009

The Hoover man who pleaded guilty to the manslaughter of his wife during their 2003 honeymoon in Australia will serve one year in prison.

Gabe Watson, 32, was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in prison in Brisbane Supreme Court on Friday. However, Justice Peter Lyons ordered Watson’s sentence be suspended after he has served 12 months, according to the Australian newspaper Brisbane Times.

Brisbane Times also reports Watson will be deported immediately upon his release from an Australian jail.

While in court, Watson, a certified rescue diver, admitted he failed to fulfill his responsibilities as his wife’s dive buddy during a scuba diving expedition on the Great Barrier Reef, Brisbane Times said.

Prosecutors believed Watson murdered Christina “Tina” Thomas Watson of Helena on Oct. 22, 2003, just 11 days after their wedding. An Australian coroner last year ruled Watson should be charged with Christina’s murder, alleging Watson cut off Christina’s air supply.

Watson voluntarily returned to Australia on May 12 to stand trial. He was arrested by authorities at Brisbane International Airport and jailed.

Outside the courtroom, Tommy Thomas, Christina’s father, Amanda Thomas, Christina’s sister, and friend Amanda Phillips called the court’s decision “ludicrous.


We all know how tough on crime Australia is. 1 year for murdering his wife. Makes you proud doesn't it?

PoliCon
06-22-2009, 08:10 PM
You have to remember that they did start off as a penal colony - so of course their sympathies are going to rest with the criminally bent . . . .They have to defend their own! ;)

Teetop
06-22-2009, 10:57 PM
You have to remember that they did start off as a penal colony - so of course their sympathies are going to rest with the criminally bent . . . .They have to defend their own! ;)

That left a mark....

patriot45
06-22-2009, 11:04 PM
Oh maybe soon enough, if the current investigation has the teeth to do the job.If its swept under the carpet, as it has been done before, after he leaves office or he dies...the truth will come out.

Arpaio..Obama.....it's the same thing,. Enough credulous fools and drooling fanbois to elect him...and then turn a blind eye to what they represent and what they have done.

117 dead.

Y'see, where I live, the prisons are run by the government and if there were 117 deaths in ONE prison?....there'd be whats called a Royal Commission and heads would roll.

And people facing jail for murder, malfeasance and a host of other charges.

But please, keep licking Joe's ass. It's amusing for me to see you do what you decry in the media concerning Obama, I guess history does repeat itself.

You Americans prate on about how great the US is and how well the system works...but in an Australian prison, a m,an arrested will face court...not a coroner. We kinda like the idea of the people in jail living loing enough to finish their sentences...so do their families.

I guess in this area, we Aussies have the better solution. Last time I checked, shoplifting didnt merit the death penalty.

"There is no such thing as an innocent man"

My my.....how revealing...

Thats what you don't get. We will back a man that was elected and does the right thing. Joe obeys and enforces the law, we support him.
The great and mighty 0, is subverting and tearing apert America, we dont support him.

BTW, the miranda is a joke.

Sonnabend
06-23-2009, 06:56 AM
You have to remember that they did start off as a penal colony - so of course their sympathies are going to rest with the criminally bent . . . .They have to defend their ownUh Policon, if I have to keep this up, I am going to send you an invoice for tutelage.

I am shocked that you are so lacking in your own history. (http://www.magner.org/convicts.htm)


The historical record is this: in the 17th and 18th centuries England transported some 50,000 convicts to the American colonies where they were sold into servitude, usually for seven years. Of that number the historian A. Roger Ekirch estimates that 36,000 came from England, 13,000 from Ireland and 700 from Scotland (Bound for America. The Transportation of British Convicts to the Colonies, 1718-1775, Oxford, 1987, p. 27).

Convict transportation to the American colonies was effectively ended by the American Declaration of Independence in 1776 which forced England to use the newly "discovered" land of Australia as a dumping ground for convicts.

For 81 years, beginning in 1787, England transported some 160,000 manacled convicts in sailing ships on a 16,000 mile voyage to Australia; in the dark holds of the ships which ferried this human cargo there were 39,000 convicts from Ireland, 30,000 men and 9,000 women (Robert Hughes, The Fatal Shore, New York, 1987, p. 195).Tsk tsk, dear sir...first American civics, now American history. Should I call Linda in here to correct your grammar as well?

Oh yes, almost forgot. In 1900, at Federation, Australia's population was just over 3.7 million. Of that number,. less than 190,000 were convicts, or the descendants of convicts. The greatest influx of migrants was after the end of WW2...under the ideal of "emigrate or perish".

Many of those who had "served their term" chose to stay instead...and thrived in a growing and plentiful land.

And, just to magnify your seemingly pitiful grasp of history, may I remind you that many of those transported were the poor, the huddled masses, the starving who stole bread to live, children who had no parents and were thrown onto ships to be deported.

What school was unfortunate enough to have you as a pupil?...or didnt they actually TEACH any real history back then?

It's hilarious....I know more about your law and your history than you do.

Sad.

Sonnabend
06-23-2009, 07:47 AM
Thats what you don't get. We will back a man that was elected and does the right thing

I can think of 117 people who would disagree with you....you could discuss it with them I suppose...oh wait...

Rockntractor
06-23-2009, 10:08 AM
Thank you professor Sonnabounce!
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/SkippyKangaroo.gif?t=1245765999

Sonnabend
06-23-2009, 03:15 PM
http://dontdatethatdude.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/idiot2.jpg

PoliCon
06-23-2009, 03:23 PM
Uh Policon, if I have to keep this up, I am going to send you an invoice for tutelage.

I am shocked that you are so lacking in your own history. (http://www.magner.org/convicts.htm)

Tsk tsk, dear sir...first American civics, now American history. Should I call Linda in here to correct your grammar as well?

Oh yes, almost forgot. In 1900, at Federation, Australia's population was just over 3.7 million. Of that number,. less than 190,000 were convicts, or the descendants of convicts. The greatest influx of migrants was after the end of WW2...under the ideal of "emigrate or perish".

Many of those who had "served their term" chose to stay instead...and thrived in a growing and plentiful land.

And, just to magnify your seemingly pitiful grasp of history, may I remind you that many of those transported were the poor, the huddled masses, the starving who stole bread to live, children who had no parents and were thrown onto ships to be deported.

What school was unfortunate enough to have you as a pupil?...or didnt they actually TEACH any real history back then?

It's hilarious....I know more about your law and your history than you do.

Sad.lol damn you have big buttons that are easy to push!