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Rebel Yell
06-17-2009, 12:52 PM
The Shady Agendas Behind 5 Popular Conspiracy Theories

#5.Barack Obama's Citizenship
Despite the overwhelming physical evidence (the Obama campaign did in fact produce a copy of his birth certificate, and others even dug up the local Hawaiian newspaper from 1961 that has the Obama family birth announcement), it was promoted quite heavily by some Conservative commentators right up to Election Day and lives on in places like the Free Republic forums to this very day.

#4.The "Clinton Body Count"
Vince Foster's death became a huge talking point in Republican circles, fueling speculation about Clinton abusing his power.

A number of people involved in the Arkansas Project would eventually admit they thought the Foster thing was bullshit, and Scaife himself would later endorse Hilary Clinton for president, which suggests that either he agreed that the whole theory was retarded, or he had no problems with a mass murderer running the country.

RY: Remember this line for future reference.

#3.The Jews Secretly Run the World
But don't tell the conspiracy sites, Neo-Nazis and the world's angrier Muslims who still quote it as their key piece of evidence against the Jewish conspiracy.

RY: And we all know Neo - Nazi's are conservatives.

#2.Water Fluoridation is a Communist Conspiracy
Of course, according to the Center for Disease Control, "Better use of fluoride can lead to considerable savings in public and private resources. But fuck all that noise, the John Birch Society, a conservative group with a far more colloquial sounding name, opposed fluoridation because they saw it as an involuntary medical treatment that violated individual rights. They also really, really hated communism. Guess which one of those stances got more press?


#1.Global Warming is a Socialist Hoax
Occasionally you'll see a headline on right-leaning blogs or news portals like Drudge boasting that "500 Scientists File Protest Questioning Global Warming Theory!!!" That's the Heartland Institute. It's a conservative "think tank", funded by a number of conservative foundations and corporations (donors include the American Scaife Foundations--recognize that name from the Clinton entry?) and their board of directors had included executives from ExxonMobil and Philip Morris (coincidentally, their other big cause is convincing everyone cigarette smoke isn't dangerous).

RY: Yeah, I remember that name, he's a Hillary Clinton suppoter, right?

Regardless of the realities of global warming, it's true that any action taken against it would harm industry in some way. And while it's not going to be in a "turn it over to the commies" conspiracy way, it's still looking like solving it would take the one thing conservatives hate: government regulation.

Anybody see a pattern here? I still haven't found the comedy in this as much as I have left wing political commentary. The comments section is littered with people calling the writer out on it.


I'm left wing, but even I'll admit this article could've been a bit more balanced.

Of course, in the end, it's just comedy. But as I was reading through it, I kept thing, "I really hope they get some theories in from the other end of the spectrum." That didn't happen. And when I see bias, even in absurd comedy articles, it takes away from some of the entertainment.

Maybe it wasn't even intentional on the author's part. But it's something to keep in mind.

Now, and more importantly, why are 90% of the users here stupid enough to think that it's appropriate to actually f*****g debate these theories in the comment section? Keep it up guys. You're really lending credence to your beliefs.

http://www.cracked.com/article_17439_shady-agendas-behind-5-popular-conspiracy-theories.html

wilbur
06-17-2009, 01:02 PM
#1 is right on the money.

I shake me head with awe every time someone seems incredulous over the possibility that there are extremely (EXTREMELY) powerful business (and governmental) interests that have a huge (HUGE) stake in fostering AGW denial... and that their dogmatic beliefs on the issue really are the desired end-products of the efforts of those interests... cultivated belief... mission accomplished.

No, never-mind.. that can't be... its all the left!

Japandroid
06-17-2009, 01:07 PM
There are plenty of conspiracies on the left that are equally wrong as the one's on the right. For the 5 listed there are 5 more coming from the other side.

noonwitch
06-17-2009, 01:11 PM
I grew up in the first city to put flouride in the water. There are a lot of old people with their own teeth there. Part of it may be due to the good dutch gene pool, but most of it is because they put the flouride in the water before everyone else, so the people who are elderly now benefitted from it.

I have the british teeth of my maternal grandmother's family. If it wasn't for orthodontia as a teenager and very good dentist as an adult, I'd be wearing dentures at 44, regardless of the flouride situation.

PoliCon
06-17-2009, 01:28 PM
trouble is - if you grew up with floride in the water - and then you move to where it's not in the water - you get nothing but dental problems. You become dependant on it.

PoliCon
06-17-2009, 01:29 PM
#1 is right on the money.

I shake me head with awe every time someone seems taken aback with the possibility that there are extremely (EXTREMELY) powerful business (and governmental) interests that have a huge (HUGE) stake in fostering AGW denial... and that their dogmatic beliefs on the issue really are the desired end-products of the efforts of those interests... cultivated belief... mission accomplished.

No, never-mind.. that can't be... its all the left!

spoken like a true believer in the church of Al Gore. :rolleyes: Damn leftists pretending to be conservatives make me sick.

Rebel Yell
06-18-2009, 09:00 AM
There are plenty of conspiracies on the left that are equally wrong as the one's on the right. For the 5 listed there are 5 more coming from the other side.

Thank you. There are crazies on both sides.


Wilbur, Carbon Dioxide is a trailing indicator of warming and cooling periods, not a leading indicator. Why haven't we seen any climate models for the last ten years?

ActualCasualty
06-18-2009, 09:53 AM
Anyone in Oregon this winter? It was cold as hell!!

wilbur
06-18-2009, 11:31 AM
Q
Anyone in Oregon this winter? It was cold as hell!!



The logic involved in most global warming "refutations":

"Millions of years is only a blink of an eye compared to the age of the earth! We can't accurately model climate trends from such little data!"


Then a few moments later....

"It was really extra cold this winter! Global warming is such a hoax!"

Rebel Yell
06-18-2009, 12:56 PM
Q



The logic involved in most global warming "refutations":

"Millions of years is only a blink of an eye compared to the age of the earth! We can't accurately model climate trends from such little data!"


Then a few moments later....

"It was really extra cold this winter! Global warming is such a hoax!"

This is my take on Global Warming:

It is real, it has happened in the past, it will happen again. Man has nothing to do with it. I don't think we should just pollute the hell out of it, but let's not think the earth can't survive it, either. The planet is ALWAYS either in a warming or cooling period. We can't stop nature. What will happen will happen.

Do I believe MMGW was created as a way to implement goverment control and taxes? No, I don't. I believe scientists actually saw a warming trend, and alerted whoever scientists alert. I believe once word got uot, the environmental nuts took it and ran, followed shortly by politicians.

We have taken a naturally occurring phenomenon and turned it into the Y2K bug.

Nubs
06-18-2009, 03:11 PM
Noonwitch - You grew up in Grand Rapids??

This is the LAST place you would want to start a communism experiment.

noonwitch
06-18-2009, 04:52 PM
Noonwitch - You grew up in Grand Rapids??

This is the LAST place you would want to start a communism experiment.


I don't know, Kent County went for Obama last fall. I don't know if it's because conservatives who didn't like McCain stayed home, or if the population of the county is changing. I know the city is more liberal than it was 20 years ago, because they have a democratic mayor.

If flouride was a communist plot, the communists probably played on the dutch love of cleanliness to sell it to the people of GR. The dutch are really into personal hygiene and basic cleanliness.

Ottawa County (Holland) is still as conservative as ever, though. That's where Hudsonville, one of the top cities listed in another topic, is located.

I grew up in the suburb of Kentwood, and graduated from EKHS in 1982.

PoliCon
06-18-2009, 07:36 PM
This is my take on Global Warming:

It is real, it has happened in the past, it will happen again. Man has nothing to do with it. I don't think we should just pollute the hell out of it, but let's not think the earth can't survive it, either. The planet is ALWAYS either in a warming or cooling period. We can't stop nature. What will happen will happen.

Do I believe MMGW was created as a way to implement goverment control and taxes? No, I don't. I believe scientists actually saw a warming trend, and alerted whoever scientists alert. I believe once word got uot, the environmental nuts took it and ran, followed shortly by politicians.

We have taken a naturally occurring phenomenon and turned it into the Y2K bug.

Don''t try to dispute his religious fanaticism with facts and logic! :rolleyes:

Nubs
06-19-2009, 12:30 AM
I don't know, Kent County went for Obama last fall. I don't know if it's because conservatives who didn't like McCain stayed home, or if the population of the county is changing. I know the city is more liberal than it was 20 years ago, because they have a democratic mayor.

If flouride was a communist plot, the communists probably played on the dutch love of cleanliness to sell it to the people of GR. The dutch are really into personal hygiene and basic cleanliness.

Ottawa County (Holland) is still as conservative as ever, though. That's where Hudsonville, one of the top cities listed in another topic, is located.

I grew up in the suburb of Kentwood, and graduated from EKHS in 1982.

I grew up in GR, graduated from GRCHS in 88, so I am familiar with that Dutch thing of which you speak. The demographics are changing, those that can are moving out of the city. If you have not been back recently, you should see the development around EKHS.

I currently live in Hudsonville, in the 08 election, there were no democratic challangers on the county level ballot for any seat.