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stsinner
06-22-2009, 01:42 PM
This is a good one.... The first thing the French have done that I agree with in 40 years.... I've always thought these things like stupid as hell-about as stupid as men wearing silk dresses.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=98779&sectionid=351020603

PARIS - President Nicolas Sarkozy lashed out Monday at the practice of wearing the Muslim burqa, insisting the full-body religious gown is a sign of the "debasement" of women and that it won't be welcome in France.

The French leader expressed support for a recent call by dozens of legislators to create a parliamentary commission to study a small but growing trend of wearing the full-body garment in France.

In the first presidential address in 136 years to a joint session of France's two houses of parliament, Sarkozy laid out his support for a ban even before the panel has been approved—braving critics who fear the issue is a marginal one and could stigmatize Muslims in France.

"In our country, we cannot accept that women be prisoners behind a screen, cut off from all social life, deprived of all identity," Sarkozy said to extended applause in a speech at the Chateau of Versailles southwest of Paris.

"The burqa is not a religious sign, it's a sign of subservience, a sign of debasement—I want to say it solemnly," he said. "It will not be welcome on the territory of the French Republic."

In France, the terms "burqa" and "niqab" often are used interchangeably. The former refers to a full-body covering worn largely in Afghanistan with only a mesh screen over the eyes, whereas the latter is a full-body veil, often in black, with slits for the eyes.

Later Monday, Sarkozy was expected to host a state dinner with Sheik Hamad Bin Jassem Al Thani of Qatar. Many women in the Persian Gulf state wear Islamic head coverings in public—whether while shopping or driving cars.

France enacted a law in 2004 banning the Islamic headscarf and other conspicuous religious symbols from public schools, sparking fierce debate at home and abroad. France has Western Europe's largest Muslim population, an estimated 5 million people.

A government spokesman said Friday that it would seek to set up a parliamentary commission that could propose legislation aimed at barring Muslim women from wearing the head-to-toe gowns outside the home.

The issue is highly divisive even within the government. France's junior minister for human rights, Rama Yade, said she was open to a ban if it is aimed at protecting women forced to wear the burqa.

But Immigration Minister Eric Besson said a ban would only "create tensions."

A leading French Muslim group warned against studying the burqa.

Elspeth
06-22-2009, 01:50 PM
Well it is France. The burqa is a debasement of fashion, and Paris can't have that. :)

If the French really want to impress me, they can go collect every burqa in the country and burn the lot in a large bonfire.

Shannon
06-22-2009, 01:59 PM
Wait, France? I don't believe it.;)

CueSi
06-22-2009, 02:03 PM
Well it is France. The burqa is a debasement of fashion, and Paris can't have that. :)

If the French really want to impress me, they can go collect every burqa in the country and burn the lot in a large bonfire.

That's what I can't help but thing. A Fashion capital won't abide having its women covered up.

They get half a point. That brings their karma rating up to ...-50.5. They're gonna have to do more for that whole disemboweling priests and throwing them in the Seine, The Dryfuss affair, and...GP.

~QC

Shannon
06-22-2009, 02:07 PM
That's what I can't help but thing. A Fashion capital won't abide having its women covered up.

They get half a point. That brings their karma rating up to ...-50.5. They're gonna have to do more for that whole disemboweling priests and throwing them in the Seine, The Dryfuss affair, and...GP.

~QC

Oh, come on. The list of French fuck ups is much longer than that.:p

CueSi
06-22-2009, 02:17 PM
Oh, come on. The list of French fuck ups is much longer than that.:p

You think I want to spend the next 2 days typing?

Covered under GP.

~QC

noonwitch
06-23-2009, 10:08 AM
They'll never pass a bill like that in Dearborn....


I hate the burka and all that it represents. I don't think women should be allowed to drive while wearing one, or anything else that poses a public hazard. Teachers shouldn't be allowed to wear them in public schools, either. They should have to remove them for identification purposes, including photographs for identification cards. But if a woman chooses to wear one, isn't it within her rights to do so as long as she is posing no risk to others?

stsinner
06-23-2009, 10:26 AM
But if a woman chooses to wear one, isn't it within her rights to do so as long as she is posing no risk to others?

How is this different from a ski mask? Can you imagine someone wearing a ski mask everywhere they go?

linda22003
06-23-2009, 10:30 AM
I have no problem with the hijab; several women at my company wear the hijab and no one thinks twice about it. I see it at the supermarket and shopping malls all the time.
http://muslimahblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/hijab11-285x291.jpg

I agree with Noonwitch about restricting covering up to the point where it's a public safety issue. Is that a problem in Dearborn, or are more women wearing the hijab rather than a heavier covering?

noonwitch
06-23-2009, 12:26 PM
I have no problem with the hijab; several women at my company wear the hijab and no one thinks twice about it. I see it at the supermarket and shopping malls all the time.
http://muslimahblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/hijab11-285x291.jpg

I agree with Noonwitch about restricting covering up to the point where it's a public safety issue. Is that a problem in Dearborn, or are more women wearing the hijab rather than a heavier covering?

In Dearborn with the arabic population, it is mostly just the hijab. In other parts of town, with the Yemenese and north african immigrants, the women wear the burkas. This can be seen mostly in Hamtramck, which used to be known as a polish community.

stsinner
06-23-2009, 12:31 PM
In Dearborn with the arabic population, it is mostly just the hijab. In other parts of town, with the Yemenese and north african immigrants, the women wear the burkas. This can be seen mostly in Hamtramck, which used to be known as a polish community.

My grandma wears one of those, but it's made of plastic and clear.