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hazlnut
06-22-2009, 04:19 PM
Fox News Anchor Draws Ratings, and Ire of Conservative Critics (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/22/business/media/22smith.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss)


At various points on his Fox News program, the anchor Shepard Smith irritated Rush Limbaugh, teased Glenn Beck and grilled Samuel J. Wurzelbacher (a k a Joe the Plumber) over his attacks on President Obama. But it was not until he forcefully confronted the topic of hateful e-mail — some from Fox’s own viewers — that he drew fire over his approach.

On June 10, Mr. Smith was in the middle of three hours of coverage of the killing at the Holocaust Museum in Washington, in which officials identified an elderly anti-Semite as the killer. He then mentioned a prior warning by the Department of Homeland Security about right-wing extremist groups and connected that to the angry e-mail messages he had been receiving.

“When a crazy man has walked into a Holocaust museum and shot the security guard, maybe that’s an appropriate time to warn people: you’ve got a crazy person in your life, keep an eye on him,” he said in an interview in his Manhattan office last week.

Mr. Smith said he fully anticipated one result of those comments: the nasty e-mail increased.

“Thousands of them,” Mr. Smith said. “And I know they don’t mean the things they say. I know they don’t hate me and want death on my family.”

What they mostly say, he explained, is: “You don’t belong there.” Mr. Smith paused a moment before adding: “I do belong here.”

Yeah, I can relate to that.

Most afternoons, I've got Shep on in the car as I drive home. I respect someone who can call bullsh*t on his own 'team' so to speak. That's also one of the things that I admired about John McCain. When he pulled that mic away from that old woman and said, "No ma'am." I wanted to vote for that guy--putting integrity and truth above the "Hussein Obama" hate point.

When I play devil's advocate here, I try to do it without stepping on too many toes. But it's sometimes hard. I've got a better, idea of where different people are coming from and I do keep that in mind when responding. (My apologies to Coulter fans for my rant this past weekend. I feel the same way about Jenene Garafalo if that helps.)

I think the GOP on the whole has to decide who they want to represent them--right of center moderates, fiscal conservatives, or the religious base--OR a healthy mix of all of the above. I'm not sure what the word healthy means there--perhaps focusing on common ground would be a start. I don't have anything in common with those coming from a place of fear or bigotry, so it is probably impossible to find common ground there, but I know the GOP doesn't want to be represented as that.

If I have any one goal for this country, it would be to move toward a classic liberalism or fiscal conservative type of government, stressing individual freedom, free markets, and limited government. Leave the sex and morality to the states and local communities.

I live in California, but more and more my wife and I are seeing it as a nice place to visit. But, anyone who has a family knows that picking up and moving isn't something you do without a lot of thought and planning.

Anyway, I like Shep. I relate with Shep's lament.:o:(

Lars1701a
06-22-2009, 06:21 PM
(My apologies to Coulter fans for my rant this past weekend. I feel the same way about Jenene Garafalo if that helps.)



The fact that you would demean Ann Coulter (A very smart and articulate person) by putting her in the same sentence with that tattooed scumbag just proves what a total, unequivocal douche bag you are. :mad:

Milly
06-22-2009, 06:40 PM
(My apologies to Coulter fans for my rant this past weekend. I feel the same way about Jenene Garafalo if that helps.)



The fact that you would demean Ann Coulter (A very smart and articulate person) by putting her in the same sentence with that tattooed scumbag just proves what a total, unequivocal douche bag you are. :mad:

Geez, Lars, lighten up.

It's impossible to describe two ends of a continuum without identifying the ends.

hazlnut
06-22-2009, 10:08 PM
Geez, Lars, lighten up.

It's impossible to describe two ends of a continuum without identifying the ends.


Agreed.

And Lars is holding back.

patriot45
06-22-2009, 10:54 PM
This is precious! You didn't know "twinkle eye" shep is a flaming moonbat lib!?! You don't remember his Katrina wailing and moaning, get a grip. Shep is part of the fair and balanced of Fox.

hazlnut
06-22-2009, 11:03 PM
This is precious! You didn't know "twinkle eye" shep is a flaming moonbat lib!?! You don't remember his Katrina wailing and moaning, get a grip. Shep is part of the fair and balanced of Fox.

So you don't like him -- and that's okay.

And being part of the 'fair and balanced' Fox is bad thing?

As opposed to the unstable lunatic fringe on Beck...

And Hannity...well, some of my new friends are fans so I will just say, he's very passionate about his views.;):)

I'm watching O'Reilly as I type... Is he a moonbat too??

Teetop
06-22-2009, 11:08 PM
This is precious! You didn't know "twinkle eye" shep is a flaming moonbat lib!?! You don't remember his Katrina wailing and moaning, get a grip. Shep is part of the fair and balanced of Fox.

True, I don't mind him telling what he thinks. Better than the other "news networks" on the boob-tube.

And, ..... being from Mississippi, Shep had a lot of emotional baggage there, in NOLA.

Teetop
06-22-2009, 11:09 PM
So you don't like him -- and that's okay.

And being part of the 'fair and balanced' Fox is bad thing?

As opposed to the unstable lunatic fringe on Beck...

And Hannity...well, some of my new friends are fans so I will just say, he's very passionate about his views.;):)

I'm watching O'Reilly as I type... Is he a moonbat too??

Geeez, talk about nuance/bullshit/putting words into someone's mouth! :rolleyes:

patriot45
06-22-2009, 11:10 PM
So you don't like him -- and that's okay.

And being part of the 'fair and balanced' Fox is bad thing?

As opposed to the unstable lunatic fringe on Beck...

And Hannity...well, some of my new friends are fans so I will just say, he's very passionate about his views.;):)

I'm watching O'Reilly as I type... Is he a moonbat too??

I'll admit Beck is a blast to watch! And Hannity is a man of conviction, he carries the banner and doesn't flag.
O'rielly used to be more unforgiving, now he is just vain and wants everyone to like him.
Shep is a Colmes on zanax.

hazlnut
06-22-2009, 11:15 PM
Geeez, talk about nuance/bullshit/putting words into someone's mouth! :rolleyes:

So, you love Shep? Because when you called him a flaming moonbat lib, I didn't realize that was a term of endearment.:rolleyes:

Teetop
06-22-2009, 11:21 PM
So, you love Shep? Because when you called him a flaming moonbat lib, I didn't realize that was a term of endearment.:rolleyes:

HEY! Drug-addicted DUmmie. WHERE did I say that?! :confused:

patriot45
06-22-2009, 11:22 PM
HEY! Drug-addicted DUmmie. WHERE did I say that?! :confused:

Libs get confused easy! :D
He meant me.

Teetop
06-22-2009, 11:24 PM
Libs get confused easy! :D
He meant me.

I know that and you know that, but he/she/it doesn't! :D

hazlnut
06-22-2009, 11:32 PM
I know that and you know that, but he/she/it doesn't! :D

Texas.:rolleyes:

hey, look who's on Bill O. My favorite person in the whole world--Annie!!

hazlnut
06-22-2009, 11:40 PM
Libs get confused easy! :D
He meant me.
Oops, my bad, You guys slap me around so much--I get a little punch drunk.

My Apologies Teetop.

PoliCon
06-22-2009, 11:43 PM
Oops, my bad, You guys slap me around so much--I get a little punch drunk.

My Apologies Teetop.

If you get slapped around its for misrepresenting yourself. :rolleyes:

Rockntractor
06-22-2009, 11:44 PM
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/shepardsmith_dramaqueen.jpg?t=1245728630

hazlnut
06-22-2009, 11:45 PM
Et tu, Brute?:(

Teetop
06-22-2009, 11:46 PM
Oops, my bad, You guys slap me around so much--I get a little punch drunk.

My Apologies Teetop.

It's all good...


Don't be so easy. :D

PoliCon
06-22-2009, 11:46 PM
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/shepardsmith_dramaqueen.jpg?t=1245728630

He does have a way of interjecting himself into the news . . . . Funny that the person who claims to stand for unbiased news coverage likes someone who likes to put himself into every story. You always know where shep stands on what ever news he's reading or reporting . . . .:rolleyes:

Teetop
06-22-2009, 11:47 PM
If you get slapped around its for misrepresenting yourself. :rolleyes:

Yeppers....

samurai
06-23-2009, 04:42 AM
Fox News Anchor Draws Ratings, and Ire of Conservative Critics (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/22/business/media/22smith.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss)



Yeah, I can relate to that.

Most afternoons, I've got Shep on in the car as I drive home. I respect someone who can call bullsh*t on his own 'team' so to speak. That's also one of the things that I admired about John McCain. When he pulled that mic away from that old woman and said, "No ma'am." I wanted to vote for that guy--putting integrity and truth above the "Hussein Obama" hate point.

When I play devil's advocate here, I try to do it without stepping on too many toes. But it's sometimes hard. I've got a better, idea of where different people are coming from and I do keep that in mind when responding. (My apologies to Coulter fans for my rant this past weekend. I feel the same way about Jenene Garafalo if that helps.)

I think the GOP on the whole has to decide who they want to represent them--right of center moderates, fiscal conservatives, or the religious base--OR a healthy mix of all of the above. I'm not sure what the word healthy means there--perhaps focusing on common ground would be a start. I don't have anything in common with those coming from a place of fear or bigotry, so it is probably impossible to find common ground there, but I know the GOP doesn't want to be represented as that.

If I have any one goal for this country, it would be to move toward a classic liberalism or fiscal conservative type of government, stressing individual freedom, free markets, and limited government. Leave the sex and morality to the states and local communities.

I live in California, but more and more my wife and I are seeing it as a nice place to visit. But, anyone who has a family knows that picking up and moving isn't something you do without a lot of thought and planning.

Anyway, I like Shep. I relate with Shep's lament.:o:(

I don't really like Shep from what I've seen of him, but I don't watch him (or FOX) very much, since I don't have cable. So let me focus on your other point, about the country. I can agree about the "classic liberalism or fiscal conservative type of government, stressing individual freedom, free markets, and limited government." However, leaving the social issues to the states will not do much to allay anger over them. Look at the outrage over Prop 8, even in other states. It may give some people the chance to move to a state more to their beliefs, but 1) it's hard to sell a house, buy another, and move, and 2) it can all change with the next election. If some folks moved to or from CA thinking "Oh it's now a gay marriage state", then what happens a few months later when it isn't anymore?

As for composition, I'd say all of the above... we should have a big tent approach, but like Reagan, not the Dems. By that I mean, convince others that the Reps can and should be trusted on the important matters of security, the economy, etc, and that if you agree with at least some of the platform (the parts that matter to you), join us and we'll just agree to disagree on the rest. The Reps should not be promising the sun and the moon and the stars to every group out there in order to get their vote, nor pretend to be Democrat-lite.

noonwitch
06-23-2009, 08:39 AM
So you don't like him -- and that's okay.

And being part of the 'fair and balanced' Fox is bad thing?

As opposed to the unstable lunatic fringe on Beck...

And Hannity...well, some of my new friends are fans so I will just say, he's very passionate about his views.;):)

I'm watching O'Reilly as I type... Is he a moonbat too??




O'Reilly and Beck are showmen, that's why they are so entertaining. With Beck, it's kind of fun to try to figure out how much is his act and how much is how crazy he really is.

O'Reilly, on the other hand, is pure act. I like him best when he has someone on his show that everyone agrees is a scumbag, and he tears the guy apart. That's fun. It's not so much fun when they get some internet blogger guy to go head-to-head with him. That's not good sportsmanship.

PoliCon
06-23-2009, 02:57 PM
As for composition, I'd say all of the above... we should have a big tent approach, but like Reagan, not the Dems. By that I mean, convince others that the Reps can and should be trusted on the important matters of security, the economy, etc, and that if you agree with at least some of the platform (the parts that matter to you), join us and we'll just agree to disagree on the rest. The Reps should not be promising the sun and the moon and the stars to every group out there in order to get their vote, nor pretend to be Democrat-lite.

Reagan opened a big tent not by jogging left - but by inspiring people to come right.

Shannon
06-23-2009, 03:03 PM
O'Reilly and Beck are showmen, that's why they are so entertaining. With Beck, it's kind of fun to try to figure out how much is his act and how much is how crazy he really is.

O'Reilly, on the other hand, is pure act. I like him best when he has someone on his show that everyone agrees is a scumbag, and he tears the guy apart. That's fun. It's not so much fun when they get some internet blogger guy to go head-to-head with him. That's not good sportsmanship.

I think Beck is just genuine. Not much of an act going on there. I love him.


Shep cracks me up for different reasons. When you get him and Geraldo "reporting" on anything together it's a nonstop laugh riot.