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satanica
06-29-2009, 10:18 AM
A vast majority of Americans want public option.

For example, In Iowa 56% of the republicans want a public option.

Yet Grassley says "NO WAY" to a public option, betraying the Ameican people.

If republicans were elected to represent the American people then they are failing, and betraying the people.

They are the very definition of traitor

Can anyone explain why the republcans are betraying the American people ?

FlaGator
06-29-2009, 11:14 AM
A vast majority of Americans want public option.

For example, In Iowa 56% of the republicans want a public option.

Yet Grassley says "NO WAY" to a public option, betraying the Ameican people.

If republicans were elected to represent the American people then they are failing, and betraying the people.

They are the very definition of traitor

Can anyone explain why the republcans are betraying the American people ?

Can someone explain to me what this poster is talking about?

satanica
06-29-2009, 11:17 AM
Can someone explain to me what this poster is talking about?

Ok, real slow for the kids.

The American people want a Public Option health plan as a choice.

The republicans in congress are elected by the people to represent the people. When they go against the people they are betraying the very voters who they swore to represent.

Get it ? Grassley was elected to represent the people, the people want a public option, he is working against the people he was elected to represent.

It's all very simple, congress should represent the people, and not giant insurance companies.

FlaGator
06-29-2009, 11:22 AM
Ok, real slow for the kids.

The American people want a Public Option health plan as a choice.

The republicans in congress are elected by the people to represent the people. When they go against the people they are betraying the very voters who they swore to represent.

Get it ? Grassley was elected to represent the people, the people want a public option, he is working against the people he was elected to represent.

It's all very simple, congress should represent the people, and not giant insurance companies.

You are really starting off on the wrong foot here my friend.

Your orginal post mentioned nothing about health insurance, just a public option but you never said what the option was related to.

satanica
06-29-2009, 11:24 AM
Ya ok...

You are implying there are other "Public Options" in the news that the republicans are betraying the people on ?

Please explain.

satanica
06-29-2009, 11:25 AM
Now that you understand the OP, can you then explain their betrayal ?

FlaGator
06-29-2009, 11:29 AM
Ya ok...

You are implying there are other "Public Options" in the news that the republicans are betraying the people on ?

Please explain.

Define what you mean by public options? I work in the financial industry and public option has lots of potential meanings depending on the context in which it is used. Your orginal post never supplied the context so how am I to know if I agree or disagree with you?

satanica
06-29-2009, 11:33 AM
Jeeesh, ever watch the news ? ..This is a giant and important subject, you should be more informed than you are.

The definition you need to be concerned with is the one the President has layed out over and over and over and over.

Google is your friend.

FlaGator
06-29-2009, 11:49 AM
Jeeesh, ever watch the news ? ..This is a giant and important subject, you should be more informed than you are.

The definition you need to be concerned with is the one the President has layed out over and over and over and over.

Google is your friend.

First of all, I am more informed than you would believe. Secondly you don't realize when you’re being played so I suspect that you are not a sharp as you believe you are. Thirdly, I don't want the government involved with healthcare. The government turns everything in to a bureaucratic nightmare and healthcare is no exception. If a public option is made available then businesses will quit supplying healthcare as a perk of the job and eventually everyone will have the same crappy public option healthcare. Go talk to the people on Medicaid and Medicare if you want to hear about the wonderful job the government sector does with healthcare. I will agree that prices for services need to come down but what you'll eventually have is those who can afford private healthcare will be paying top dollar for in and the rest of the U.S. will be receiving cheap crappy healthcare. Do a little research on what the healthcare system in England. bing.com or yahoo is your friend

BTW: I don't support google since they assist the Chinese with their agenda of oppressing the messes. Perhaps you should support a more freedom based search engine.

samurai
06-29-2009, 11:51 AM
Ok, real slow for the kids.

The American people want a Public Option health plan as a choice.

The republicans in congress are elected by the people to represent the people. When they go against the people they are betraying the very voters who they swore to represent.

Get it ? Grassley was elected to represent the people, the people want a public option, he is working against the people he was elected to represent.

It's all very simple, congress should represent the people, and not giant insurance companies.

Not to drift the thread, but are you consistent in that belief across all issues? For example, the great majority of Americans are opposed to gay marriage, even by smaller margins in liberal states like California. So would the legislatures and governors (and courts) passing it against the people's wishes be a betrayal? How about raising taxes when the people don't want to pay more taxes? Should the government always obey the people?

satanica
06-29-2009, 12:00 PM
Thirdly, I don't want the government involved with healthcare. The government turns everything in to a bureaucratic nightmare and healthcare is no exception.

To late, Medicare, is government run, so is the Military, and the Congress.

Your party disagress with you, The republican leadership will tell you that the Public Option would be such a good program that people would flock to it hurting private uinsurance companies.

The republican party leaders claim that medicare is so good that if it was expanded the people would flock to it hurting private insurance companies.



If a public option is made available then businesses will quit supplying healthcare as a perk of the job and eventually everyone will have the same crappy public option healthcare.

Why would they drop these people ? ...cause they can get better coverage for a fraction of the cost.

Who says a business has to offer anything at all ? ..and if you haven't noticed, the businesses that do offer something will change that policy to save a few bucks without telling any workers, sometimes a few times a year and when things get tight, they out right drop it.


Go talk to the people on Medicaid and Medicare if you want to hear about the wonderful job the government sector does with healthcare.

The republicans said Medicae works so well that the American people would flock to it if it were expanded.

That was a pretty long winded post of your that TOTALLY IGNORED the OP's question.

Why are the republicans betraying the American people ?

Rebel Yell
06-29-2009, 12:01 PM
A vast majority of Americans want public option.

For example, In Iowa 56% of the republicans want a public option.

Yet Grassley says "NO WAY" to a public option, betraying the Ameican people.

If republicans were elected to represent the American people then they are failing, and betraying the people.

They are the very definition of traitor

Can anyone explain why the republcans are betraying the American people ?

Because, even though they are Republicans, they are still politicians. Politicians lie, that's what they do.

The majority of Americans opposed the stimulus packages, and both parties have passed one. Take off the blinders, kid. Neither party gives a shit what America thinks, after election time.

satanica
06-29-2009, 12:15 PM
Not to drift the thread, but are you consistent in that belief across all issues? For example, the great majority of Americans are opposed to gay marriage, even by smaller margins in liberal states like California. So would the legislatures and governors (and courts) passing it against the people's wishes be a betrayal? How about raising taxes when the people don't want to pay more taxes? Should the government always obey the people?

Nice spin.

I would re-check my facts if I was you.

See what the people want in the states that has gay marriage.

The States that passed it were just doing what the people of that state wanted.

satanica
06-29-2009, 12:18 PM
Because, even though they are Republicans, they are still politicians. Politicians lie, that's what they do.

The majority of Americans opposed the stimulus packages, .

Thats cause the repubs lied to the people. The republicans wanted more tax cuts in the stimulus, ignoring the fact that the stimulus contained the largest tax cut in the history of this nation.

This is the same road that led Americans to believe Saddam was behind 9-11 ...the repubs lied to the people.

FlaGator
06-29-2009, 12:26 PM
To late, Medicare, is government run, so is the Military, and the Congress.
I rest my case.


Your party disagress with you, The republican leadership will tell you that the Public Option would be such a good program that people would flock to it hurting private uinsurance companies.



The republican party leaders claim that medicare is so good that if it was expanded the people would flock to it hurting private insurance companies.

Actually they don't say that. If you can find a quote then I might believe it. What is being said is that companies would drop coverage to save costs and make larger profits since the govenment would have a ready made solution for them.



Why would they drop these people ? ...cause they can get better coverage for a fraction of the cost.

Who says a business has to offer anything at all ? ..and if you haven't noticed, the businesses that do offer something will change that policy to save a few bucks without telling any workers, sometimes a few times a year and when things get tight, they out right drop it.


Bwahahahahaha. Now your playing me because we both know how silly that sounds.


The republicans said Medicae works so well that the American people would flock to it if it were expanded.

That was a pretty long winded post of your that TOTALLY IGNORED the OP's question.

Why are the republicans betraying the American people ?
I will answer that with a question. Why are the the democrats turning America into a socialist hell hole?

Both sides are betraying the American people. Was that answer concise enough?

FlaGator
06-29-2009, 12:31 PM
Nice spin.

I would re-check my facts if I was you.

See what the people want in the states that has gay marriage.

The States that passed it were just doing what the people of that state wanted.


55 Percent Polled By CBS/NY Times Said No; 40 Percent Said Yes
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/07/30/opinion/polls/main565918.shtml

So why are the liberals betraying the American People? Americans don't want gay marriage but democrats are forcing it on America. The rape of America by Barney Franks.

megimoo
06-29-2009, 12:32 PM
Jeeesh, ever watch the news ? ..This is a giant and important subject, you should be more informed than you are.

The definition you need to be concerned with is the one the President has layed out over and over and over and over.

Google is your friend.


Have you ever heard of any government run program that actually improved anyones lives ?Good Governments are meant to be small and effective.And take this as some advice if you would ,When you talk down to people they will naturally resent it and will either ignore you or get into your face and fight back .

If your real intent is to stir up hate and discontent you have made a good start.If you think that this new POTUS has made a good start you are definitely in the minority here .If you are in recovery from your own BDS and demand that we be kind to this hangman good luck !

If you think that his intentions are for Americas strong future are good you are the one who needs to learn to read between the lines when you read the liberal press.

He is the destroyer who was predicted to come to remake America into a weak powerless third world country.He a puppet for those who paid to have him elected who's real purpose is to empty the country of its wealth .

satanica
06-29-2009, 12:35 PM
I rest my case.



Actually they don't say that. If you can find a quote then I might believe it.

Your Senate Leader... " know they say that, Bob," McConnell countered, "but if the government is in the insurance business there won't be any other insurers, it's inevitable." http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/06/14/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5087389.shtml

Call his office, they wil tell you the same thing.
His office has told me that the public option would be so good that people would flock from the private insurance compaines destroying their profits. Go ahead and call.

They admit they are standing up for the insurance companies instead of the people who elected them.

satanica
06-29-2009, 12:39 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/07/30/opinion/polls/main565918.shtml

So why are the liberals betraying the American People? Americans don't want gay marriage but democrats are forcing it on America. The rape of America by Barney Franks.

WTF ? ...Dude ?

Thats a national poll ...and gay marriage has not been lagalized on a national level.

The states it has passed in are just doing what the people of THAT STATE WANT ...after all, it was the people of THAT STATE that elected them to represent them. They don't care what the national poll says, they didn't get elected in a national election.

Imagine that, elected officials doing what the people want.

Do you understand this ? ...wtf ?

WatersEdge
06-29-2009, 12:47 PM
The poster who began this thread didn't explain what they are talking about. It was clear as mud.

I thought it was about the Cap n Trade vote debacle.

That was betrayal - by 8 "Republicans".

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/46/19628821.jpg

WatersEdge
06-29-2009, 12:50 PM
Thats cause the repubs lied to the people. The republicans wanted more tax cuts in the stimulus, ignoring the fact that the stimulus contained the largest tax cut in the history of this nation.

This is the same road that led Americans to believe Saddam was behind 9-11 ...the repubs lied to the people.

---Are you for real?

Your commentary sounds like a confused 6 year old. Quit the trolling and be drawn to reality.

megimoo
06-29-2009, 12:56 PM
WTF ? ...Dude ?

Thats a national poll ...and gay marriage has not been lagalized on a national level.

The states it has passed in are just doing what the people of THAT STATE WANT ...after all, it was the people of THAT STATE that elected them to represent them. They don't care what the national poll says, they didn't get elected in a national election.

Imagine that, elected officials doing what the people want.

Do you understand this ? ...wtf ?
Horse plucky ,The state of Taxachusetts refuses to put Gay Marrage up for a referendum vote.They know that it will be defeated by a wide margin !It has to be by dictate or it doesn't stand a chance with the average swine .!

Rebel Yell
06-29-2009, 01:23 PM
Thats cause the repubs lied to the people. The republicans wanted more tax cuts in the stimulus, ignoring the fact that the stimulus contained the largest tax cut in the history of this nation.

This is the same road that led Americans to believe Saddam was behind 9-11 ...the repubs lied to the people.

Oh, Lord. You're one of those people. I was just about to start a thread on this, and you'll fit right in.

Check out......5 Pathetic Groups That People Think Rule the World.:D

lacarnut
06-29-2009, 01:50 PM
Your Senate Leader... " know they say that, Bob," McConnell countered, "but if the government is in the insurance business there won't be any other insurers, it's inevitable." http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/06/14/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5087389.shtml

Call his office, they wil tell you the same thing.
His office has told me that the public option would be so good that people would flock from the private insurance compaines destroying their profits. Go ahead and call.

They admit they are standing up for the insurance companies instead of the people who elected them.

You are dumb as a rock. The Prescription Medicare Part D was passed under a Repub. President. Every state has 20 or more private companies that offer this insurance. It is the only government program that has resulted in less cost than first budgeted for.

If the government competes with the private sector under the proposed democratic health care system, eventually we will wind up with a single payer system. Repubs. do not want that. You need to learn how to read/comprehend.

Lager
06-29-2009, 01:51 PM
Why do you prefer a public option, Mr. Satanica? That's a very scary name, by the way.

stsinner
06-29-2009, 02:10 PM
Why are the republicans betraying the American people ?

The person betraying the American people is the Socialist, racist, America-hating, Muslim in the White House, who has gone on two apology tours overseas to date badmouthing the American people, and who has lied and flip-flopped on just about every single campaign promise aside from change.. He's changing America all right-into Mexico.

stsinner
06-29-2009, 02:14 PM
Nice spin.

I would re-check my facts if I was you.

See what the people want in the states that has gay marriage.

The States that passed it were just doing what the people of that state wanted.


Wow, I've not seen this level of denial and ignorance in a long time.. Well, since I last visited DU

Homosexual marriage ballot initiatives have been soundly defeated in every single state they've been put to a vote, even California with all its fags and Liberals. Only Socialist states like Massachusetts ignore the will of the people and allow judges to legislate from the bench, which is unconstitutional. Laws are supposed to be made by the Legislative branch, not the Judicial Branch.

The only states where homo marriage is legal are states where they have refused to allow the people to vote on it, or where the Supreme Court of that state has overturned the vote and ignored the will of the people.

AmPat
06-29-2009, 03:46 PM
The poster who began this thread didn't explain what they are talking about. It was clear as mud.

I thought it was about the Cap n Trade vote debacle.

That was betrayal - by 8 "Republicans".

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/46/19628821.jpg

1 NY
2 NJ
3 NJ
4 NJ
5 DE
6 CA
7 IL
8 WA
What could these Reprehensitives possibly have in common?

FlaGator
06-29-2009, 04:00 PM
WTF ? ...Dude ?

Thats a national poll ...and gay marriage has not been lagalized on a national level.

The states it has passed in are just doing what the people of THAT STATE WANT ...after all, it was the people of THAT STATE that elected them to represent them. They don't care what the national poll says, they didn't get elected in a national election.

Imagine that, elected officials doing what the people want.

Do you understand this ? ...wtf ?

If state governments are doing what the people want then how come the Massachusetts congress won't bring to a vote and amendment to the state constitution that bans same sex marriages in the state. Yep they sure are doing what the people want? The people voted for the amendment but the state legislature won't bring it to the floor for approval.

That's not doing what the people want. Do you understand that.

Zafod
06-29-2009, 04:57 PM
Why is pinkeye back posting?

Rockntractor
06-29-2009, 07:16 PM
1 NY
2 NJ
3 NJ
4 NJ
5 DE
6 CA
7 IL
8 WA
What could these Reprehensitives possibly have in common?

It is apparent that some states need to take out the trash.

Robert Karl
06-29-2009, 08:17 PM
Ya ok...

You are implying there are other "Public Options" in the news that the republicans are betraying the people on ?

Please explain.

Of course, there is the Larry Craig public option, where you tap dance your career away in a public restroom in Minnesota.

Constitutionally Speaking
06-29-2009, 09:11 PM
A vast majority of Americans want public option.

For example, In Iowa 56% of the republicans want a public option.

Yet Grassley says "NO WAY" to a public option, betraying the Ameican people.

If republicans were elected to represent the American people then they are failing, and betraying the people.

They are the very definition of traitor

Can anyone explain why the republcans are betraying the American people ?



How about preserving FREEDOM????

satanica
06-30-2009, 08:19 AM
How about preserving FREEDOM????

Perhaps the dumbest statement on the web..

Public Option would erase our freedoms.

Constitutionally Speaking
06-30-2009, 12:08 PM
Perhaps the dumbest statement on the web..

Public Option would erase our freedoms.


Public "option" would cease to be optional when they get done decimating the private sector.

Why is everything about force with you leftists???

FlaGator
06-30-2009, 03:39 PM
Perhaps the dumbest statement on the web..

Public Option would erase our freedoms.

It would erase one of them.

satanica
06-30-2009, 03:49 PM
It would erase one of them.

Fucking idiiot. I pray for your mom to die a horrible death, that fucking slut.

stsinner
06-30-2009, 04:06 PM
Fucking idiiot. I pray for your mom to die a horrible death, that fucking slut.

Wow... Somebody has been hitting the sauce a little early...

Sonnabend
06-30-2009, 04:20 PM
Oh I think we will see a spectacular crash soon....just not the one he expects.

djones520
06-30-2009, 04:25 PM
Fucking idiiot. I pray for your mom to die a horrible death, that fucking slut.

Way to go. I was unable to find a "worst douchebag in the world" picture for you.

ljswisc
06-30-2009, 05:36 PM
Classic move of the defeated. Resorting to swearing and insults is all there is left when you know you've lost an argument. Well played.... :rolleyes:

FlaGator
06-30-2009, 06:03 PM
Wow... Somebody has been hitting the sauce a little early...

Somebody can't handle the truth. What a cry baby.

FlaGator
06-30-2009, 06:04 PM
Fucking idiiot. I pray for your mom to die a horrible death, that fucking slut.

Who are you praying to?

SarasotaRepub
06-30-2009, 07:30 PM
Who are you praying to?


See...I try and be a nice guy and let SuperCrash back on instead
of banning his ass right off the bat...and he comes up with that
one. :rolleyes:

Speedy
06-30-2009, 07:57 PM
See...I try and be a nice guy and let SuperCrash back on instead
of banning his ass right off the bat...and he comes up with that
one. :rolleyes:


And I was really against this guy until he came up with that one and that was what won me over. Those liberals and their convincing arguments.

Zathras
06-30-2009, 10:07 PM
See...I try and be a nice guy and let SuperCrash back on instead
of banning his ass right off the bat...and he comes up with that
one. :rolleyes:

I guess this means no more Supercrash....er, Eyelids....er, Satanica.

Rockntractor
06-30-2009, 10:23 PM
I guess this means no more Supercrash....er, Eyelids....er, Satanica.
It doesn't say banned under his name yet but he does seem somewhat unpleasant.

samurai
06-30-2009, 11:26 PM
The people of California passed a law by an overwhelming majority banning gay marriage. The courts overturned it, betraying the will of the people. So the people then passed a constitutional amendment (by a slimmer majority) and again they tried to strike it down. Luckily, the courts didn't overstep their bounds this time. But clearly the voters of California have consistently voted against gay marriage, and if liberal CA's people are consistently against it, what do you think Iowa and some of the other states' populations believe? Do you have any state polls from before gay marriage was passed in the various states showing it was the will of the majority of the people to legalize it?

And the same goes for a whole host of other issues too, like tax increases and refusing to drill for more oil in the US.

AlmostThere
07-01-2009, 02:53 AM
Nice spin.

I would re-check my facts if I was you.

See what the people want in the states that has gay marriage.

The States that passed it were just doing what the people of that state wanted.

It's either state that has or states that have. It ain't states that has.

Lager
07-01-2009, 04:25 AM
Wow, what a nasty little bugger, that Carlos Satanica kid. How crazy is it that a college age male ( I know that's presuming a lot,) is directing his energies and misplaced passions, (as tepid as they may be) towards conservatives on a message board? I guess if one has more of an interest in politics than females at that age, that would be bad enough, but what this dude practices here isn't really politics, it's more of a passive form of road rage, as conducted by someone on a bicycle.