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stsinner
06-30-2009, 11:32 PM
If I were pulled over for not wearing a seat belt, I'd tell the officer that I was feeling kind of froggy today and left the motorcycle at home and decided to live life on the edge and drive the car without a seat belt... They're looking out for our safety, my ass!!!!! When motorcycles are outlawed, I'll buy into it... Until then it's just a money maker that preys on the stupid...

http://www.wftv.com/news/19903882/detail.html

Driving a motorcycle down the highway at 65 mph is perfectly legal, but if you decide to sit inside a steel cage with airbags all around you without a seat belt-NOW THAT IS JUST IRRESPONSIBLE>.......

NJCardFan
07-01-2009, 12:07 AM
NJ did this years ago. I guess police don't have a lot to do, you know, like busting murderers and such.

FlaGator
07-01-2009, 06:32 AM
Seat belts have been a primary offense for several years. The Florida Highway Patrol from time to time decides to make a point of looking for people not wearing seat belts. Usually its used as an excuse to pull some one over and check for drugs or DUI or something when there is no other obvious reason to pull them over. The police just can't pull someone over for no reason other than as check point.

Sonnabend
07-01-2009, 07:03 AM
Seatbelts have been mandatory here for decades. It's a fine and loss of points...and the effects and the lives saved have been proven time and again.

Thus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5M5iDL3p7I

and

thus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tywC-gRXbq0

I love this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMgdJpVXcNM

Seeing as we Aussies invented the baby capsule, we have also benefited from its effects...seeing as babies dont become projectiles through the windscreen in a collision. We kinda like it that way.

BTW....as we're discussing things, a little anecdote for you.

Two nights ago I was pulled over for a random RBT test at a checkpoint.

Cop asked me if I had been to a party, i said yes, he said have you had anything to drink, i said alcohol? No.

Test was, of course, negative. I NEVER touch alcohol if I am driving.

As I started the car, the cop pointed to a guy being cuffed.

"That's one drunk who won't be killing anyone tonight. On your way, driver." and he moved onto the next car.

You dont have the right to drive drunk
Onlly idiots drive without seatbelts
RBT stops save lives
Seatbelts save lives.

And I would not have it any other way.

Call it socialism or whatever...I dont care. Both work to stop road fatalities.

As it should be.

noonwitch
07-01-2009, 09:46 AM
They did that in Michigan a few years back, too.

I've been wearing my seatbelt ever since they made it a secondary offense. As a kid, though, we never wore them. My dad used to cut them out of his cars. He was in an accident once in which he was thrown from the car. If he hadn't been thrown, he would have been impaled by the steering column.

He and my mom used to fight about it all the time. My mom used to always tell him "if you hadn't been drinking, you wouldn't have been in that accident to begin with".

stsinner
07-01-2009, 09:51 AM
Onlly idiots drive without seatbelts



You must really have some colorful words for those idiots who choose to ride motorcyclists. Can't believe those things are still legal. Seat belt laws are fine, but I don't agree with making them a primary offense.

It's nothing more than a money maker under the guise of caring about your safety.

stsinner
07-01-2009, 09:52 AM
They did that in Michigan a few years back, too.

I've been wearing my seatbelt ever since they made it a secondary offense. As a kid, though, we never wore them. My dad used to cut them out of his cars. He was in an accident once in which he was thrown from the car. If he hadn't been thrown, he would have been impaled by the steering column.

He and my mom used to fight about it all the time. My mom used to always tell him "if you hadn't been drinking, you wouldn't have been in that accident to begin with".


I have a friend who was in in accident in his Jeep Wrangler, and he was thrown into the passenger seat. If he was belted into his driver seat he'd be dead..

NJCardFan
07-01-2009, 11:57 AM
Seatbelts have been mandatory here for decades. It's a fine and loss of points...and the effects and the lives saved have been proven time and again.



Seeing as we Aussies invented the baby capsule, we have also benefited from its effects...seeing as babies dont become projectiles through the windscreen in a collision. We kinda like it that way.

BTW....as we're discussing things, a little anecdote for you.

Two nights ago I was pulled over for a random RBT test at a checkpoint.

Cop asked me if I had been to a party, i said yes, he said have you had anything to drink, i said alcohol? No.

Test was, of course, negative. I NEVER touch alcohol if I am driving.

As I started the car, the cop pointed to a guy being cuffed.

"That's one drunk who won't be killing anyone tonight. On your way, driver." and he moved onto the next car.

You dont have the right to drive drunk
Onlly idiots drive without seatbelts
RBT stops save lives
Seatbelts save lives.

And I would not have it any other way.

Call it socialism or whatever...I dont care. Both work to stop road fatalities.

As it should be.
Riddle me this then. Why is it that some states have primary seatbelt laws yet don't have motorcycle helmet laws? Who's more likely to be killed or severely injured in an accident? Me not wearing my seatbelt or a biker with no helmet? I don't know about you but something tells me that me hitting my airbag is a lot less lethal then a biker's head hitting the pavement. No, seatbelt laws are nothing but nanny state revenue generators nothing more, nothing less. You're post, especially this point proves my point: "Onlly idiots drive without seatbelts". Isn't it my right to be an idiot? Are you going to come into my house next to make sure I have rails on my bed so I don't fall out? Driving drunk can affect others. Me not wearing my seatbelt affects only me.

Speedy
07-01-2009, 12:44 PM
As someone who has be riding and racing motorcycles for almost 30 years, I do not agree with helmet laws. You are pretty much taking your life in your own hands once you take to the road on a motorcycle anyway, helmet or not. I believe that it should be a choice. You will never find me on a bike without my helmet on. If I am going a block or riding 600 miles. I preach the advantages of wearing a helmet over the hazards of not but I do not force my views on anyone.

Gingersnap
07-01-2009, 02:37 PM
I always wear a seatbelt but I don't care if anyone else does. I always wear a helmet on a motorcycle but I don't care if any other riders wear them. I never wear a helmet on a bicycle and I seriously don't care what other people think about that.

Driving or riding in a car is inherently dangerous. If you really wanted to impact traffic fatalities, you'd outlaw cars entirely.

Safety isn't always first. If it was, we'd all be living in little cages eating rationed Human Chow and spending a mandatory 5 hours a day on our Human wheels. We'd live way, way longer but I'll bet that for most of us death couldn't come soon enough.

stsinner
07-01-2009, 03:18 PM
Safety isn't always first. If it was, we'd all be living in little cages eating rationed Human Chow and spending a mandatory 5 hours a day on our Human wheels. We'd live way, way longer but I'll bet that for most of us death couldn't come soon enough.

True dat!

I just think it's funny that the American public will buy it and allow themselves to be told that ticketing you for not wearing one more measure of safety-your seat belt, when you're surrounded by a padded steel cage and multiple airbags is because they care about your safety when they'll legally allow you without batting an eye to fly down the highway on a motorcycle at 75MPH with shorts, a tank top and sandals on with only a helmet to protect you-even carrying your kid as a passenger behind you... It's so blatantly obvious that they're lying to us and just extorting money out of us with the seat belt law ticketing.

Now, I'm a motorcycle rider, so don't think I have a problem with that-it's the blatant lying to the public that I'm talking about.

Teetop
07-01-2009, 04:52 PM
When I was in Germany, in the early 80's, first offense for not wearing a seat belt was about $1,000. Each time after that, the fine doubled.

You learned very quickly to use it.

stsinner
07-01-2009, 05:26 PM
When I was in Germany, in the early 80's, first offense for not wearing a seat belt was about $1,000. Each time after that, the fine doubled.

You learned very quickly to use it.

Believe me, you don't want everyone to learn to wear their seatbelt, because when if that source of revenue dries up due to no tickets being written, they'll have to find another way to screw you out of your money.... Same with smoking..

Teetop
07-01-2009, 06:53 PM
Believe me, you don't want everyone to learn to wear their seatbelt, because when if that source of revenue dries up due to no tickets being written, they'll have to find another way to screw you out of your money.... Same with smoking..

Booze then breathing...

Sonnabend
07-02-2009, 07:30 AM
Me not wearing my seatbelt affects only me.You becoming a projectile in a slam stop affects anyone else you hit on the way through the windscreen. And the other drivers. And the cops who have to clean up the mess later.


You must really have some colorful words for those idiots who choose to ride motorcyclists.1. You have more protection in a car than on a motorcycle.
2. As a nurse and an emergency services officer, we used to call them "donorcycles". Guess why.
3. The statistics and figures dont lie. After seatbelt laws were introduced, deaths in accidents sharply decreased, and the number of injured and living accident victims increased. The number of child deaths in motor vehicle accidents also took a massive downswing becaue they ddint become an identified flying object.

Go see for yourself.


Can't believe those things are still legal. Seat belt laws are fine, but I don't agree with making them a primary offense.I do. Very strongly. Seatbelts increase by a large degree the chances of surviving a major, or even a minor accident.


"Onlly idiots drive without seatbelts". Isn't it my right to be an idiot?Is it your right to be careless and because of that "right", you eind up killing someone else?

Okay, just dont come here. Ever. I'd stay out of most of Europe as well, as they have the same laws. And most of the Pacific nations who have mandatory seatbelt laws for good reason.

"Revenue raising"? Horseshit.

Try this (http://www.edgarsnyder.com/news/seatbelts/seat-belts-statistics.html)


# Fatalities and accidents involving those not wearing seat belts cost the U.S. approximately $20 billion per year. Of that cost, 74% of the tab is paid for by the public.

# One out of four Americans still doesn't wear a seat belt.

lacarnut
07-02-2009, 07:41 AM
The fine in Louisiana is $25; I have gotten used to wearing a seat belt and would feel uncomfortable without one. Some states have gone way overboard in charging outlandish fees for not wearing them which is a rip off.

SarasotaRepub
07-02-2009, 07:53 AM
I've always worn my seat belt and if you're in the front of the car
with me driving I'll ask you to put yours on also.

When I was in Sarasota the number of reported fatal accidents on I75
was quite large. The one thing they all had in common...the occupant
was not wearing their seat belt. And that meant they were usually
ejected from the car/truck/van and turned into road pizza. :):D

linda22003
07-02-2009, 08:09 AM
I always wear seat belts, but they can be awfully uncomfortable. The one in my car fits me pretty well, but the one in my husband's car cuts into my neck, and slides around from where it is supposed to be. They need to design seat belts for Breasted-Americans.

Rebel Yell
07-02-2009, 09:09 AM
Why not just outlaw alcohol, smoking, fatty foods, guns, knifes, diving boards, skateboards, sharp edges (all furniture and walls have to have rounded corners), metal cans (you may cut yourself), air travel, etc.? Why not just do away with recognizing a person as an adult at 18. Hell, never acknowledge them as an adult? Apparently, we never have the ability to choose what's best for us. Maybe y'all are fine with having to be mothered your entire lives, but not me. I can name 5 people off the top of my head who would be dead if they were wearing a seat belt. I have gotten 3 tickets in the last year, luckily they are only $15 here. I tell the officer every time that if he'll watch, he'll catch me again. I am a grown ass man, not a child.

Sonnabend
07-02-2009, 10:38 AM
Why not just outlaw alcohol, smoking, fatty foods, guns, knifes, diving boards, skateboards, sharp edges (all furniture and walls have to have rounded corners), metal cans (you may cut yourself), air travel, etc.?Because none of these have anything to do with seat belts.?

And there is a ban on drinking and driving. For reasons that are even more obvious.


Why not just do away with recognizing a person as an adult at 18. We do recognise that, as a matter of fact. And any adult can tell you that one of the benefits of a seat belt is that in the event of a collision, you are reasonably certain not to be catapulted through the windscreen or impaled on the steering column like a shish-kabob.


Hell, never acknowledge them as an adult? Apparently, we never have the ability to choose what's best for us.Yiou are free as I am to do a great many thngs.

There is a law to wear a seat belt for the logical and simple reason that it has been proven that the use of seat belts has resulted in a drastic reduction of road fatalities.

Less dead people = Good thing. Yes?


I can name 5 people off the top of my head who would be dead if they were wearing a seat beltAnd I can remember at least thirty dead bodies I saw that were the direct result of them being stupid enough not to wear seatbelts.

One five year old was catapulted about thirty feet and bounced several times on the concrete. How do i know this? I saw the accident photos and the skin sloughs on the pavement.

Another woman was slammed so far forward by the impact that they literally had to pry her loose from the steering column..we didnt have to worry about hurting her...she was quite dead.

Another was two kids in a ute, travelling with them in the back tray area. The ute rolled...on top of them. Squish.

You know that show where they play the video of US cop chases? Saw one when I was in hospital, car chase, car rolled, guy was literally thrown out of the car...which then....*drum roll*..landed on top of him.

Squish.

Another one, same thing,. this time the driver was thrown from the car as it slammed into another car, and the driver literally catapulted out of the car and into a brick wall. Looked like a rag doll. The guy in the other car? Was wearing a seat belt and walked away.

There's got to be a lesson in there somewhere....


. I have gotten 3 tickets in the last year, luckily they are only $15 here. I tell the officer every time that if he'll watch, he'll catch me again. I am a grown ass man, not a child.Hmmm...if you buckled up, you'd save $45.00.:)

Rebel Yell
07-02-2009, 11:11 AM
There's got to be a lesson in there somewhere....

Hmmm...if you buckled up, you'd save $45.00.:)

There's the real lesson. The government just made $45.00.

Ever hear of a little thing called personal freedom? I'll pay 15 bucks a pop for it.

enslaved1
07-02-2009, 02:38 PM
I never wear one, and despite dozens of changes in the law here in Kansas to the point that I don't think anyone, including the cops, know for sure if it's a primary offense or not and countless tax dollars spent on ad campaigns, I have yet to recieve a single seat belt ticket any of the times I've been pulled over. I'm with Rebel Yell, it's a personal choice and chance I and everyone else makes.

stsinner
07-02-2009, 03:41 PM
Another woman was slammed so far forward by the impact that they literally had to pry her loose from the steering column..we didnt have to worry about hurting her...she was quite dead.

In either of those accidents you just mentioned, the person would have likely died, regardless of seat belt or not. I'm a firefighter and first responder and in the last accident I worked-just two days ago, two-vehicle, head-on driver-side impact, everyone was belted, and one lady (passenger side front) died hours later from a ruptured spleen and internal bleeding they didn't see, and had two huge hematomas on her stomach from the seat belt.. I'd be inclined to believe that she would have been better off hitting the airbag.

Nobody is arguing that it's not generally safer, but I see it as the government overstepping its bounds. Regardless, as long as they'll let people ride motorcycles, ticketing them for not wearing a seat belt is extortion under the lie that they care about your safety.. Some people just can't see when they're being duped.. Of course it's safer, but so is not driving. So is not riding a motorcycle.. They don't even require leathers for riding a motorcycle, but they'll ticket you for not wearing a seat belt inside a steel cage..

Rebel Yell
07-02-2009, 03:59 PM
In either of those accidents you just mentioned, the person would have likely died, regardless of seat belt or not. I'm a firefighter and first responder and in the last accident I worked-just two days ago, two-vehicle, head-on driver-side impact, everyone was belted, and one lady (passenger side front) died hours later from a ruptured spleen and internal bleeding they didn't see, and had two huge hematomas on her stomach from the seat belt.


Now everybody knows that first responders have "never had unbuckle a dead person.":rolleyes:

stsinner
07-02-2009, 04:03 PM
Now everybody knows that first responders have "never had unbuckle a dead person.":rolleyes:

In fact, she was talking and alert and appeard to have fared the best out of all 5 patients we transported.. It was a surprise to hear that she had passed away at the hospital.

Rebel Yell
07-02-2009, 04:10 PM
In fact, she was talking and alert and appeard to have fared the best out of all 5 patients we transported.. It was a surprise to hear that she had passed away at the hospital.

So, she was dead. Just nobody knew it yet.:(

Sonnabend
07-02-2009, 04:12 PM
There's the real lesson. The government just made $45.00. I was being light hearted, you nong. :D

Sonnabend
07-02-2009, 04:15 PM
. I'm a firefighter and first responder and in the last accident I worked-just two days ago, two-vehicle, head-on driver-side impact, everyone was belted,

Note: she was the only casualty. Tell me, how do you know the haematomas were from the seatbelt? By the way in that accident, had they all not been belted, how many would have walked away?

Rebel Yell
07-02-2009, 04:16 PM
I was being light hearted, you nong. :D

I know. Just sayin'.;)