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Molon Labe
07-01-2009, 12:00 PM
He is now officially unpopular.

Why should this surprise anyone? Guess he isn't the second coming after all.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll



Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
Wednesday, July 01, 2009

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 32% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-three percent (33%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -1 (see trends). On the Generic Congressional Ballot, Republicans now have a two-point edge.

Americans are evenly divided on the climate change bill passed by the House last week—37% favor it and 41% are opposed. Forty-two percent (42%) believe it will help the economy and 19% believe it will hurt. Most (56%) are not willing to pay more in taxes and utility costs to fight Global Warming.

The Presidential Approval Index is calculated by subtracting the number who Strongly Disapprove from the number who Strongly Approve. It is updated daily at 9:30 a.m. Eastern (sign up for free daily e-mail update). Updates also available on Twitter.

Overall, 54% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance so far. Forty-five percent (45%)


Like to get Satanica's thoughts on that little tid bit about "the people" being against cap and trade in these polls too. Are the people's will being ignored?

FIXED:

A vast majority of Americans don't want Cap and trade.
Yet DEMOCRATS say "NO WAY" betraying the Ameican people.
If DEMOCRATS were elected to represent the American people then they are failing, and betraying the people.
They are the very definition of traitor

Can anyone explain why the DEMOCRATS are betraying the American people ?

Full-Auto
07-01-2009, 12:50 PM
It was -2 yesterday. He's on the rebound.

Molon Labe
07-01-2009, 03:13 PM
It was -2 yesterday. He's on the rebound.

Judging by the trends...he's had a bad week. If something major happens, like the stock market takes another plunge or the price of gas pushes back above $4.....his numbers will be in the negative double digits by Christmas.

lacarnut
07-01-2009, 05:13 PM
Judging by the trends...he's had a bad week. If something major happens, like the stock market takes another plunge or the price of gas pushes back above $4.....his numbers will be in the negative double digits by Christmas.

I look for that to happen before then. Hundreds of thousands are losing their jobs every month. These liberal talking heads keep telling us we have hit bottom. Not till we start having positive job growth in my opinion. If the Repubs can hold cap and trade and health care off for a couple more months, there is a good chance the legislation will either not pass or get watered down.

Molon Labe
07-24-2009, 11:47 AM
Uh Oh!

Guess the Speech wasn't such a hit.


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_index_graphics/july_2009/obama_index_july_24_2009/235624-1-eng-US/obama_index_july_24_2009.jpg

Molon Labe
07-24-2009, 11:53 AM
Woopsie daisy!

Just 25% think the Stimulus helped (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/economic_stimulus_package/july_2009/just_25_now_say_stimulus_has_helped_the_economy_31 _say_it_hurt)

Since only 25% think it worked, can the majority of us have a do over on the stimulus and our children's future?

satanica
07-24-2009, 11:54 AM
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 32% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-three percent (33%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval

My math says 33 and 35 equals 68%

Where is the other 32% ?

Oh ...here it is. http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/gallup-daily-obama-job-approval.aspx

Obama's approval rating is at 55%

And your article says as much...

Overall, 54% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance so far

I thought a President had to poll under 50% to not be popular ? ..but thats just me. :rolleyes:

satanica
07-24-2009, 11:58 AM
Just strange how someone can be "officially unpopular."

When the majority of the American people approve of the President ?????

I just love that CU math ..it's so groovy.

CorwinK
07-24-2009, 03:07 PM
Overall, 54% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance so far

I thought a President had to poll under 50% to not be popular ? ..but thats just me. :rolleyes:


Do ya'll remember in school where passing was 60% to 68%...depending on what state you went to school in? And even then...it was frowned upon as doing the bare minimum?

satanica
07-24-2009, 03:10 PM
Do ya'll remember in school where passing was 60% to 68%...depending on what state you went to school in? And even then...it was frowned upon as doing the bare minimum?

Then what would 28% mean ?

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGIH_enUS287US287&q=bush+job+approval+all+time+low

CorwinK
07-24-2009, 03:21 PM
Then what would 28% mean ?

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGIH_enUS287US287&q=bush+job+approval+all+time+low

it means he was unpopular too, find anywhere where I said that Bush was popular. Whether its 58% or 28%, politicians with ratings like that aren't popular. Typically, popular would mean that theres a small group of people sitting in the corner talking trash about a person or group. When its close to half...your not popular. Given the numbers id say that no one is popular at this point.

Whats the point your trying to make when referencing my statement? Do you have a point or are you once again trolling?

I move to vote on option two, anyone wish to second that motion?

Ranger Rick
07-24-2009, 03:22 PM
It means he is like twice as much as Congress

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4GGIH_enUS287US287&q=Congress+job+approval+all+time+low&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

Constitutionally Speaking
07-24-2009, 08:15 PM
Then what would 28% mean ?

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGIH_enUS287US287&q=bush+job+approval+all+time+low


That would show you that the Conservatives abandoned Bush with all of the spending he undertook.

satanica
07-25-2009, 09:17 AM
That would show you that the Conservatives abandoned Bush with all of the spending he undertook.

The spending happened in the first term as well.

Nobody abandonded him

PoliCon
07-25-2009, 09:41 AM
Then what would 28% mean ?

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGIH_enUS287US287&q=bush+job+approval+all+time+low

This has nothing to do with Bush. You need to deal with the man that is there in office now.

Molon Labe
07-30-2009, 08:01 AM
[I]Obama's approval rating is at 55%

Uh oh..

(for the scoffers)

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

PoliCon
07-30-2009, 01:10 PM
Uh oh..

(for the scoffers)

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

this is when they'll start cherry picking the most favorable polls trying to make it look like it's all in our heads. :rolleyes:

Speedy
07-30-2009, 02:36 PM
this is when they'll start cherry picking the most favorable polls trying to make it look like it's all in our heads. :rolleyes:

When they start messing with my head, I hope they use the same template they used to mess with this guy's head.

http://battlestarrevealed.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/six_baltar.jpg

Talismen
07-30-2009, 02:42 PM
The bill of goods he sold was fake.
The 'disciples' who voted for him are starting to find that out.

It's not like they weren't warned.

Molon Labe
07-30-2009, 03:56 PM
The bill of goods he sold was fake.
The 'disciples' who voted for him are starting to find that out.

It's not like they weren't warned.

An aquaintance of mine who happens to be a principled socialist has come to the conclusion that O isn't what he bargained for... Too bad our resident socialists haven't put down the Kool aide long enough to figure this out.

Molon Labe
08-06-2009, 10:36 AM
Another poll with depressing numbers for the O.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=akA7XABFTuSs


The poll found that voters disapprove of the way Obama is handling the economy by 49 percent to 45 percent. On his effort to overhaul of the health-care system, 52 percent disapprove of his handling of the issue while 39 percent approve.

Molon Labe
08-13-2009, 10:11 AM
You can tell things aren't going well cause the MSM is getting Cranky.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_index_graphics/august_2009/obama_index_august_13_2009/240220-1-eng-US/obama_index_august_13_2009.jpg

bijou
08-13-2009, 10:14 AM
You can tell things aren't going well cause the MSM is getting Cranky.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_index_graphics/august_2009/obama_index_august_13_2009/240220-1-eng-US/obama_index_august_13_2009.jpg


Overall, 47% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. That’s the lowest level of total approval yet recorded. The President’s ratings first fell below 50% just a few weeks ago on July 25. Fifty-two percent (52%) now disapprove. :D

Molon Labe
10-23-2009, 10:13 AM
It keeps getting worse. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/6409721/Barack-Obama-sees-worst-poll-rating-drop-in-50-years.html#)




The decline in Barack Obama's popularity since July has been the steepest of any president at the same stage of his first term for more than 50 years.

By Toby Harnden in Washington
Published: 7:38PM BST 22 Oct 2009

Barack Obama's popularity has fallen steeply since being elected last year Photo: AFP
Gallup recorded an average daily approval rating of 53 per cent for Mr Obama for the third quarter of the year, a sharp drop from the 62 per cent he recorded from April.

His current approval rating – hovering just above the level that would make re-election an uphill struggle – is close to the bottom for newly-elected president. Mr Obama entered the White House with a soaring 78 per cent approval rating.

The bad polling news came as Mr Obama returned to the campaign trail to prevent his Democratic party losing two governorships next month in states in which he defeated Senator John McCain in last November's election.

Jeffrey Jones of Gallup explained: "The dominant political focus for Obama in the third quarter was the push for health care reform, including his nationally televised address to Congress in early September.

"Obama hoped that Congress would vote


and the Rasmussen


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_index_graphics/october_2009/obama_approval_index_october_23_2009/256724-1-eng-US/obama_approval_index_october_23_2009.jpg

Molon Labe
07-21-2010, 11:29 AM
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1478


Apparently the corpse of Ronald Reagan would have a fighting chance at the 2012 polls



July 21, 2010 - Obama Approval Drops To Lowest Point Ever, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Independent Voters Turn On President Since Honeymoon


A year after President Barack Obama's political honeymoon ended, his job approval rating has dropped to a negative 44 - 48 percent, his worst net score ever, and American voters say by a narrow 39 - 36 percent margin that they would vote for an unnamed Republican rather than President Obama in 2012, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

NJCardFan
07-21-2010, 12:31 PM
Just strange how someone can be "officially unpopular."

When the majority of the American people approve of the President ?????

I just love that CU math ..it's so groovy.

That's 1 poll. As I said in another thread, go by Real Clear Politics. (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/) They track several polls. And since you used Gallup, I'd hardly call 47% approval a "majority" of Americans. As per the polls RCP uses, it's about even. I'd actually consider his 46.9 composite approval pretty damned good considering. This is why I don't go by 1 poll. I look at several numbers. This gives you a better idea on how people are thinking.

Satanicus
07-21-2010, 04:41 PM
He is now officially unpopular.

LOL.

And yet he is STILL more popular that Reagan at this point.

Overall, 46% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the president's performance. Fifty-three percent (53%) disapprove.

http://www.speculativebubble.com/images/ronald-reagan-approval.gif

PoliCon
07-21-2010, 05:02 PM
LOL.

And yet he is STILL more popular that Reagan at this point.

Overall, 46% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the president's performance. Fifty-three percent (53%) disapprove.

http://www.speculativebubble.com/images/ronald-reagan-approval.gif

you love your red herrings. Can't bring yourself to deal with the facts you are presented - you always have to try to make the story about someone - ANYONE else. :rolleyes:

Molon Labe
07-21-2010, 05:45 PM
LOL.

And yet he is STILL more popular that Reagan at this point.



and yet from my little article above the Reagan corpse or person to be determined later would likely beat him in an election. LOL!

BadCat
07-21-2010, 06:33 PM
Obumble will be lucky if he is not impeached for treason in February.

He'll be luckier if the country doesn't rise up and burn DC to the ground.

Odysseus
07-21-2010, 06:39 PM
LOL.

And yet he is STILL more popular that Reagan at this point.

Overall, 46% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the president's performance. Fifty-three percent (53%) disapprove.

http://www.speculativebubble.com/images/ronald-reagan-approval.gif

How many times are you going to run this graphic?

Zathras
07-22-2010, 01:21 AM
How many times are you going to run this graphic?

Till he gets his next set of graphics from his handlers. Stupidicus doesn't have an independent thought in his empty skull and needs his DNC handlers to give him his instructions before he can continue, being a mind numbed robot and all.

lacarnut
07-22-2010, 01:31 AM
Obumble will be lucky if he is not impeached for treason in February.

He'll be luckier if the country doesn't rise up and burn DC to the ground.

If huge federal income tax increases take effect in Jan. along with increases in health care, you may be right. Obama is a f...ing disaster.

Sonnabend
07-22-2010, 04:08 AM
Obama is so unpopular that the US expats here who voted for him are asking themselves what the f*** they were thinking.

I know at least half a dozen who hate his guts...roll on November :D

Satanicus
07-22-2010, 07:07 AM
Obama is so unpopular that the US expats here who voted for him are asking themselves what the f*** they were thinking.

I know at least half a dozen who hate his guts...roll on November :D

And he is still more popular that Reagan at this point.

BTW, Who gives a fuck what the people in your country think.

CueSi
07-22-2010, 08:19 AM
And he is still more popular that Reagan at this point.

BTW, Who gives a fuck what the people in your country think.

Obama cared very much what the people in Berlin thought...so much that he made a speech there while still a candidate.

I'm guessing you don't have anything negative to say about that . . . because it's the Right kind of Foreign Appeal.

Hypocritical cvnt.

~QC

lacarnut
07-22-2010, 09:51 AM
And he is still more popular that Reagan at this point.

BTW, Who gives a fuck what the people in your country think.

Who cares what you think punk. They should not allow a lazy leech like you the right to vote.

Odysseus
07-22-2010, 10:11 AM
And he is still more popular that Reagan at this point.

BTW, Who gives a fuck what the people in your country think.

Yeah, since liberals don't care what people in this country think, why should they care about what Australians think? The only opinions that matter are the NY Times, the permanent bureaucracy of the UN and George Soros.

NJCardFan
07-22-2010, 12:55 PM
And he is still more popular that Reagan at this point.

BTW, Who gives a fuck what the people in your country think.

That's because Reagan was making hard choices cleaning up that clusterfuck of a president Carter's mess. That and he had an entire left wing media base killing him in the press. He had no friends in the MSM at that time. And he still came out of it smelling like a rose didn't he. And Obama's popularity is falling like a stone. Even his own kind are throwing him under the bus.

Wei Wu Wei
07-22-2010, 06:24 PM
An aquaintance of mine who happens to be a principled socialist has come to the conclusion that O isn't what he bargained for... Too bad our resident socialists haven't put down the Kool aide long enough to figure this out.

Most people even vaguely familiar with socialism know Obama isn't even close to it.

People on this site like to argue with their invisible demons, not actually with other people.

PoliCon
07-22-2010, 10:45 PM
Most people even vaguely familiar with socialism know Obama isn't even close to it.

People on this site like to argue with their invisible demons, not actually with other people.

BAH! :rolleyes: He's madly in love with fascism - which is nothing more than socialism with a capitalist veneer.

Odysseus
07-23-2010, 10:32 AM
Most people even vaguely familiar with socialism know Obama isn't even close to it.
"Most people" is a rather loaded comment. Most people polled consider Obama a socialist. But, opinions aren't facts. The facts are that socialists advocate specific policies. In fact, the Socialist Party has a platform, which, logically, should define the goals of socialists in America. You can find it here. (http://socialistparty-usa.org/platform/) It's apparent that Obama is either actively advancing many of these policies, and is sympathetic to others. For example:

On foreign policy:


We call for an end to the U.S. occupation of the province of Guantanamo, Cuba.
We call for an end to the Israeli occupation of the West Bank-East Jerusalem and Gaza, and an end to all U.S. aid to Israel, as a precondition for peace.
We stand for unconditional disarmament by the United States.
We call for an international treaty outlawing all weapons of mass destruction, including the use of depleted uranium in conventional weapons.
We call for an immediate 50% cut in the military budget, followed by additional cuts, with the aim of rapidly reducing the military budget to less than 10% of its current level, with the "peace dividend" directed to essential social services and to the cost of cleaning up contaminated military sites.

Obama has pledged to close Gitmo, has reduced US aid to Israel, imposed unilateral reductions in our nuclear stockpiles and committed to new treaties with the Russians which impose huge cuts in our delivery systems and capabilities, while his allies in congress have proposed cutting the DOD budget by over a $Trillion over the next ten years.

Labor:

We support the right of any number of interested workers in a workplace to form a union with no limits on the subjects upon which employees and unions may bargain with employers.
We support the right of public sector workers to strike.
We call for recognizing a union based on cards signed.
We call for the same benefits for part-time workers as for full-time workers.
We call for increased health and safety regulation of business, and for increasing the size and enforcement power of the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA).
We support the creation of a fund for workers which would pay a worker’s full wages and health insurance as well as necessary educational and/or retraining costs if that worker loses a job due to environmental transition, down-sizing, corporate dismantlement, or capital flight.
We call for a 30 hour work week at no loss of pay, with six weeks annual paid vacation.
We call for unions to stop using union funds for electing candidates from the Democratic and Republican parties.

Is there anything on that list, beside the last item, that Obama or his appointees have not signed off on or supported? And the last is not so much an attack on the use of union funds to elect Democrats as it is a complaint that they aren't being used to elect Socialists (or at least, socialists in the Socialist Party, rather than in the Democratic Party).
Economics:

We call for all financial and insurance institutions to be socially owned and operated by a democratically-controlled national banking authority, which should include credit unions, mutual insurance cooperatives, and cooperative state banks. In the meantime, we call for re-regulation of the banking and insurance industries.
We call for a steeply graduated income tax and a steeply graduated estate tax, and a maximum income of no more than ten times the minimum. We oppose regressive taxes such as payroll tax, sales tax, and property taxes.
We call for the restoration of the capital gains tax and luxury tax on a progressive, graduated scale.
We demand cancellation of Third World debt.
We call for a National Pension Authority to hold the assets of private pension funds, and a levy against corporate assets for any pension fund deficits.
We call for increased and expanded welfare assistance and increased and expanded unemployment compensation at 100% of a worker's previous income or the minimum wage, whichever is higher, for the full period of unemployment or re-training, whichever is longer.
We support a program of massive federal investment in both urban and rural areas for infrastructure reconstruction and economic development.

Obama has just imposed re-regulation of banking and insurance, expanding it far beyond the previous regulations imposed by prior administrations. He is raising taxes, has eliminated MSAs and is in the process of doing the same to IRAs, expanded unemployment benefits to three years, and spent hundreds of $billions in the stimulus on what was supposedly infrastructure and development (but has since turned out to be graft).

I could fill this space with their platform, and point out all of the areas that are congruent with Obama's policies. Now, in all fairness, there are some things that even Obama hasn't come out in favor of, but we will have to remain agnostic on his positions. However, even you have to admit that he is in remarkable lockstep with the most prominent socialist organization in America.



People on this site like to argue with their invisible demons, not actually with other people.

Oh, good. Then maybe you'll actually respond to one of my posts instead of ignoring facts that you cannot refute.

Molon Labe
07-23-2010, 11:04 AM
"Most people" is a rather loaded comment. Most people polled consider Obama a socialist. But, opinions aren't facts. The facts are that socialists advocate specific policies. In fact, the Socialist Party has a platform, which, logically, should define the goals of socialists in America. You can find it here. (http://socialistparty-usa.org/platform/) It's apparent that Obama is either actively advancing many of these policies, and is sympathetic to others. For example:

On foreign policy:

snip8

What one says and what one does are two different things. The Republican party platform "sounds" conservative. What actually happens...well.
Obama isn't for the little guy. He likes the symbiotic relationship between capitalism and government. That's more fascism than socialism.

Odysseus
07-23-2010, 04:45 PM
What one says and what one does are two different things. The Republican party platform "sounds" conservative. What actually happens...well.
Obama isn't for the little guy. He likes the symbiotic relationship between capitalism and government. That's more fascism than socialism.

My point is, he toes the Socialist Party line. If he isn't a Socialist, he's doing a very good imitation of one.

Molon Labe
07-23-2010, 05:12 PM
My point is, he toes the Socialist Party line. If he isn't a Socialist, he's doing a very good imitation of one.

I know he's not a socialist because the socialists web sites routinely tear him apart here (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/nov2009/pers-n04.shtml), and here (http://www.wsws.org/search/index.php).

And many of the socialists I know are very upset....to my amusement. :)

i don't see it. Maybe you have a different understanding of Socialism from me. Apparently he is not imitating one effective enough to fool actual socialists.

(Hint: Satanicus is a prime example of someone who has no clue what socialism is or looks like)

What the Socialist's wanted in health care was a public option with the insurance companies destroyed and out of the way. What we got was an unprecedented plan that "forces" the public to "purchase insurance" from private lenders. Coercion that benefits private industry is not Socialism. "Private" is not in the Socialist lexicon.

Wei Wu Wei
07-24-2010, 01:37 PM
"Most people" is a rather loaded comment. Most people polled consider Obama a socialist. But, opinions aren't facts. The facts are that socialists advocate specific policies. In fact, the Socialist Party has a platform, which, logically, should define the goals of socialists in America. You can find it here. (http://socialistparty-usa.org/platform/) It's apparent that Obama is either actively advancing many of these policies, and is sympathetic to others. For example:

On foreign policy:



Good thinking



We call for an end to the U.S. occupation of the province of Guantanamo, Cuba.
Nope



We call for an end to the Israeli occupation of the West Bank-East Jerusalem and Gaza, and an end to all U.S. aid to Israel, as a precondition for peace.

Hahaha not even close.



We stand for unconditional disarmament by the United States.

Not at all


We call for an international treaty outlawing all weapons of mass destruction, including the use of depleted uranium in conventional weapons. Yeah right. Except for some nations.



We call for an immediate 50% cut in the military budget, followed by additional cuts, with the aim of rapidly reducing the military budget to less than 10% of its current level, with the "peace dividend" directed to essential social services and to the cost of cleaning up contaminated military sites.

BAHHAHAHAHAHA nope.



Obama has pledged to close Gitmo, has reduced US aid to Israel, imposed unilateral reductions in our nuclear stockpiles and committed to new treaties with the Russians which impose huge cuts in our delivery systems and capabilities, while his allies in congress have proposed cutting the DOD budget by over a $Trillion over the next ten years.

Yes he's pledged to close gitmo a long time ago but isn't actually doing it, is not reducing aid to Israel in any significant way and is not using our trade position to influence their terrible actions, and a trillion over 10 years is a drop in the swimming pool when it comes to "defense" spending.




Labor:

We support the right of any number of interested workers in a workplace to form a union with no limits on the subjects upon which employees and unions may bargain with employers.

Nothing yet.



We support the right of public sector workers to strike.

lol not happening.



We call for recognizing a union based on cards signed.

Nahhhh



We call for the same benefits for part-time workers as for full-time workers.

OBAMA STOP OPPRESSING ME WITH ALL YOUR NEW RULES!!



We call for increased health and safety regulation of business, and for increasing the size and enforcement power of the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA).

Nothing happening with OSHA


We support the creation of a fund for workers which would pay a worker’s full wages and health insurance as well as necessary educational and/or retraining costs if that worker loses a job due to environmental transition, down-sizing, corporate dismantlement, or capital flight.

Not gonna happen.



We call for a 30 hour work week at no loss of pay, with six weeks annual paid vacation.

bahahhaha okay so people really think Obama is socialist??

We call for unions to stop using union funds for electing candidates from the Democratic and Republican parties.[/quote]

Booya.



Is there anything on that list, beside the last item, that Obama or his appointees have not signed off on or supported? And the last is not so much an attack on the use of union funds to elect Democrats as it is a complaint that they aren't being used to elect Socialists (or at least, socialists in the Socialist Party, rather than in the Democratic Party).
Economics:

We call for all financial and insurance institutions to be socially owned and operated by a democratically-controlled national banking authority, which should include credit unions, mutual insurance cooperatives, and cooperative state banks. In the meantime, we call for re-regulation of the banking and insurance industries.
We call for a steeply graduated income tax and a steeply graduated estate tax, and a maximum income of no more than ten times the minimum. We oppose regressive taxes such as payroll tax, sales tax, and property taxes.
We call for the restoration of the capital gains tax and luxury tax on a progressive, graduated scale.
We demand cancellation of Third World debt.
We call for a National Pension Authority to hold the assets of private pension funds, and a levy against corporate assets for any pension fund deficits.
We call for increased and expanded welfare assistance and increased and expanded unemployment compensation at 100% of a worker's previous income or the minimum wage, whichever is higher, for the full period of unemployment or re-training, whichever is longer.
We support a program of massive federal investment in both urban and rural areas for infrastructure reconstruction and economic development.

Obama has just imposed re-regulation of banking and insurance, expanding it far beyond the previous regulations imposed by prior administrations. He is raising taxes, has eliminated MSAs and is in the process of doing the same to IRAs, expanded unemployment benefits to three years, and spent hundreds of $billions in the stimulus on what was supposedly infrastructure and development (but has since turned out to be graft).

I could fill this space with their platform, and point out all of the areas that are congruent with Obama's policies. Now, in all fairness, there are some things that even Obama hasn't come out in favor of, but we will have to remain agnostic on his positions. However, even you have to admit that he is in remarkable lockstep with the most prominent socialist organization in America.




Oh, good. Then maybe you'll actually respond to one of my posts instead of ignoring facts that you cannot refute.


None of this stuff is actually being done by the Obama administration. Maybe there's some staffer who would like these things to be done and was recorded saying so, but Obama and congress are NOT pushing for new laws on this platform.

Satanicus
07-24-2010, 01:40 PM
None of this stuff is actually being done by the Obama administration. Maybe there's some staffer who would like these things to be done and was recorded saying so, but Obama and congress are NOT pushing for new laws on this platform.

Are you sure ? , I see construction signs from Key West to Chicago.

http://blog.syracuse.com/news/2009/07/large_Stimulus_highway_sign.JPG

Molon Labe
07-24-2010, 02:08 PM
Are you sure ? , I see construction signs from Key West to Chicago.

http://blog.syracuse.com/news/2009/07/large_Stimulus_highway_sign.JPG

BTW. Those signs have cost the taxpayers millions of dollars.

Thanks for proving once again how much government sucks.

lacarnut
07-24-2010, 02:38 PM
I know he's not a socialist because the socialists web sites routinely tear him apart here (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/nov2009/pers-n04.shtml), and here (http://www.wsws.org/search/index.php).

And many of the socialists I know are very upset....to my amusement. :)

i don't see it. Maybe you have a different understanding of Socialism from me. Apparently he is not imitating one effective enough to fool actual socialists.

(Hint: Satanicus is a prime example of someone who has no clue what socialism is or looks like)

What the Socialist's wanted in health care was a public option with the insurance companies destroyed and out of the way. What we got was an unprecedented plan that "forces" the public to "purchase insurance" from private lenders. Coercion that benefits private industry is not Socialism. "Private" is not in the Socialist lexicon.

Anyone with a brain knew that once health care was passed without the public option that the next step was to pass another bill with it in there. That's how liberals/socialists or whatever the fuck you want to call them work. The Obama administration is hell bent on controlling or taking over other industries like autos and banks. The next one in their sights is energy.

Satanicus
07-24-2010, 02:48 PM
Anyone with a brain knew that once health care was passed without the public option that the next step was to pass another bill with it in there. That's how liberals/socialists or whatever the fuck you want to call them work. The Obama administration is hell bent on controlling or taking over other industries like autos and banks. The next one in their sights is energy.

The GOP said the same thing about Medicare and SS , but now you won't find anybody in the GOP that would vote to repeal it.

Troll
07-24-2010, 02:59 PM
BTW. Those signs have cost the taxpayers millions of dollars.

Thanks for proving once again how much government sucks.

TENS of millions.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/signs-stimulus/story?id=11163180

Let's hear it for 'stimulus'. :rolleyes:

Odysseus
07-24-2010, 10:06 PM
Nope
Hahaha not even close.
Not at all
Yeah right. Except for some nations.
BAHHAHAHAHAHA nope.
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Yes he's pledged to close gitmo a long time ago but isn't actually doing it, is not reducing aid to Israel in any significant way and is not using our trade position to influence their terrible actions, and a trillion over 10 years is a drop in the swimming pool when it comes to "defense" spending.
Nothing yet.
lol not happening.
Nahhhh
OBAMA STOP OPPRESSING ME WITH ALL YOUR NEW RULES!!
Nothing happening with OSHA
Not gonna happen.
bahahhaha okay so people really think Obama is socialist??
Booya.

None of this stuff is actually being done by the Obama administration. Maybe there's some staffer who would like these things to be done and was recorded saying so, but Obama and congress are NOT pushing for new laws on this platform.
In every case, I pointed out specific examples of how Obama is, in fact, doing these things. Your substantive arguments consist of laughter, sarcasm, denial and outright falsehoods (in fact, Obama has cut aid to Israel, and $1 trillion over ten years is a massive cut, especially when you consider that it's cumulative, with each year's budget decreasing by a tenth of the $trillion, so that by the end of the decade, the defense budget will, in fact, have been halved). I'm not impressed, much less convinced. When you complained that "People on this site like to argue with their invisible demons, not actually with other people," I offered you an opportunity to actually argue. I shouldn't be disappointed by your failure to rise to the challenge, but I tend to expect more of people than I should.


Are you sure ? , I see construction signs from Key West to Chicago.

http://blog.syracuse.com/news/2009/07/large_Stimulus_highway_sign.JPG

But do you see any actual construction? I could put up a sign that announces that I'm responsible for the reconstruction of the WTC, but that wouldn't make it true, now would it?

lacarnut
07-24-2010, 10:21 PM
But do you see any actual construction? I could put up a sign that announces that I'm responsible for the reconstruction of the WTC, but that wouldn't make it true, now would it?

Obama parroted the shovel ready jobs during his campaign. The truth of the matter is that only 5% is for that. Only half of the stimulus money has been spent and most of that had absolutely nothing to do with creating jobs.One of the job creation programs was for windmills. We find out that 90% of a billion was paid to foreign governments. Jobs for the Spaniards rather than Americans. No wonder the honeymoon is over for this clown. He does not know what he is doing.

Molon Labe
08-23-2011, 03:19 PM
Whoops...

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_index_graphics/august_2011/obama_approval_index_august_23_2011/498228-1-eng-US/obama_approval_index_august_23_2011.jpg

I didn't know a new low was even possible.

Odysseus
08-23-2011, 04:37 PM
Whoops...

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_index_graphics/august_2011/obama_approval_index_august_23_2011/498228-1-eng-US/obama_approval_index_august_23_2011.jpg

I didn't know a new low was even possible.

Oh, he can go even lower, but not much. The die-hard left is probably about 25% of the population, and the black vote accounts for about 12$ of the total national vote. Assuming some crossover, that gives him a "floor" of 33-35%. That will mean that he has lost every independent and moderate Democrat, and can basically count on just the base, which will be highly demoralized. If he gets that low, then his general election results will probably be in the McGovern range.