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Carol
07-08-2009, 02:43 PM
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This is an OP that to me is simply "interesting" more so than "I can't believe what they're saying" or "I didn't think they could go any lower, and then they say/do this". However the Salon OP and the comments on DU are typical of the left wing.


DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts)
What if the Uighurs were Christian rather than Muslim?

According to The New York Times (http://nytimes.com/2009/07/07/world/asia/07china.html?_r=2&ref=global-home) this morning, violent clashes between Chinese government forces and Muslim Uighurs -- that country's long-oppressed minority -- have left at least 140 people dead and close to 1,000 injured. This incident in Western China highlights an important fact about America's "War on Terror."

Just imagine if the Uighurs were a Christian -- rather than Muslim -- minority, battling against the tyrannical Communist regime in Beijing, resisting various types of persecution, and demanding religious freedom. They would be lionized by America's Right, as similar Christian minorities, oppressed by tyrannical regimes, automatically are. Episodes like these -- where a declared Tyranny like China violently acts against citizens with whom we empathize -- are ones about which, in general, the American political class loves to sermonize.

But the Uighurs are Muslim, not Christian, and hostility towards them thus easily outweighs the opportunity they present to undermine the Chinese Government. Rather than support and venerate them, we instead spent this decade declaring them to be "enemy combatants" and locking them up in Guantanamo -- despite the fact that they have never evinced any interest in doing anything other than resisting Chinese persecution, and have certainly never taken actions against the U.S. (as even the Bush administration ultimately admitted). Yet even now, both Congress and the administration actively block release into the U.S. even of those Uighurs we wrongfully imprisoned for years, while the Right screams with outrage -- and fear -- over the administration's commendable efforts to find a home for them elsewhere.


For all the Serious analysis about the War on Terror, so much of it has been driven by nothing more complex or noble than sheer hostility towards Muslims. Muslims generally -- not just Al Qaeda -- replaced Communists as our New Enemy and became the new enabling force for our endless state of War and never-ending expansions of executive power. Rather obviously, the Uighurs were swept into the Enemy category solely by virtue of their status as Muslims. What more compelling evidence of that could be imagined than the fact that we imprisoned -- and continue to imprison -- people at Guantanamo whose only political interest is in resisting oppression by the Chinese government?

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/07/06/uighurs/index.html

To clarify. This is an OP from Salon based on a news piece from NYT.

Several questions and observations:

The Uighers that were at Guantanamo were detained ON THE BATTLE FIELD. It's not like we went to China and kidnapped a few of them. And it's not our fault other countries don't want them. That's the fault of the Uighers. Or perhaps we should have sent them back to China?

When is the last time Christians-whether free to worship. or as a real persecuted minority (not one who is trying to separate from another country and is fighting for it-rioting and putting cars on fire? like the Uighers? (http://nytimes.com/2009/07/07/world/asia/07china.html?_r=2&ref=global-home)

Oh, and by the way, Christians ARE a persecuted minority in China. Yes, lately they have more freedom, but not much more-and they don't act violently like the Uighurs.

I've read a lot on DU and I don't ever remember reading an OP about persecuted Christians-even though Christians are persecuted in Muslim nations MUCH MUCH more and MUCH MUCH more often than Muslims are persecuted anywhere on this earth. I wonder why that is?

Just how is it obvious that Christians side with the Communists over the Muslims from this NYT news piece? Maybe they do, but your only assuming that because that is what YOU believe. The NYT piece is actually quite sympathetic to the Uighurs and leaves out information about how the Uighers have had a separatist movement (much like Muslims in many other countries) for years.

Since Salon brought Christianity into a news article that has nothing to do with Christianity you have a pretty good idea of DU's responses.


TWiley
4. Christians get government faith-based iniatives money

Your tax dollars at work supporting conservative philosophy (some call it bull-shit)while buying bibles to be given free to anyone who carries an assault rifle.


timeforpeace (637 posts)
5. Christians and "violent clashes" go together like soup and sandwich.

dembotoz
6. the right would be wanting us to warm up the bombers.....The reality is, if the "right" advocated bombing every Muslim country (and did so) where Christians were persecuted there would be very few, if any, Muslim Countries left in the world today. Unbelievable that there are leftists who actually believe this.

Only one dissent related to the OP that we should let the Uighers free in the US.
Buzz Clik
2. If the Uighurs were agnostic (like me), I still wouldn't want them cut loose in the U.S.

Picking them -- bad idea.
Shipping them to Gitmo -- worse idea.

Sorry, but I'm really crazy about the idea of taking other coutries' problem children and bringing them here. Worst idea ever.

noonwitch
07-08-2009, 03:01 PM
The christians in China use non-violent methods of objecting to the persecution of their government, the same way Jesus did with the Romans. They are beaten, incarcerated, used as slave labor and even killed for their faith.

Carol
07-08-2009, 03:39 PM
The christians in China use non-violent methods of objecting to the persecution of their government, the same way Jesus did with the Romans. They are beaten, incarcerated, used as slave labor and even killed for their faith.I know. I don't like it that they are persecuted but I agree their response is the correct, biblical way to respond.

noonwitch
07-08-2009, 04:29 PM
I know. I don't like it that they are persecuted but I agree their response is the correct, biblical way to respond.


I don't like it, either. I don't like to see anyone suffering. It has always bothered me that we give China the favored trade status-this is a gripe against both parties, I'm not singling out either side. Of course their products are cheaper than ours-they use slave labor to produce them and China has no standards about putting toxic substances in the things they produce. By having this kind of trade status, they have no reason to change their ways.


I've read that the church in China continues to grow, despite the persecution and mistreatment of christians by the government. I'm glad that we have it so easy here, by way of comparison, but our ease makes us complacent.