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nancylt
07-08-2009, 07:34 PM
Have you ever wondered why it is that, less than a century ago, our children were well mannered, respectful, and had morals; yet today, they are the exact opposite? Let’s take a moment to ponder all that has happened over the course of the last century. What’s the big thing that comes to mind? For me, it’s Women’s Lib. Ladies, I know that I will offend quite a few of you by saying this, but Women’s Lib is the worst thing that has ever happened to this country, indeed, the world.

When women started working outside of the home, and spending more and more time away from their children, this country started going downhill. Television and video games became our babysitters, and daycare centers began teaching our children socialism. I remember when most mothers stayed at home with their children, and we knew that education began at home. We did not leave it to the public school system to teach our children what was right and wrong; when Sunday morning values was something that every child was taught.

There was a time when young men were taught to be men; to grow up and be responsible, productive members of society. Now they are taught to look out for themselves and to succeed at any cost, regardless of who they have to step on to get there. Those that don’t learn that lesson learn an equally destructive one: the world owes you everything, and its’ okay to let others take care of you. Where are the men in this country??? What happened to a strong work ethic, and taking care of your family? Welfare was NOT designed to allow you to be lazy!!! It is supposed to be a hand up, not a hand out.

Ladies, don’t think I forgot about you. Who gave you the right to leave your children’s upbringing to the whims of the media and the government? Have any of you actually sat down and watched some of the television programs and video games that you allow to babysit your children? Do you know what they are learning from these shows and games? Unlawfulness, disrespect, and violence are the lessons they are taught, in addition to lying, stealing, cheating, and sexual immorality! For instance, a show that many of us grew up watching and loving is now teaching our children that homosexuality is okay. Why do Burt and Ernie have to be a married gay couple? For years, they were merely roommates, and that was okay. Why change it now???

Our children, our futures are coming home pierced, tattooed, and pregnant. Our daughters are putting “tramp stamps” on their backs, and they think that it is okay, they’re just “expressing themselves”. No wonder teenage pregnancy is such a rampant problem in this country. And don’t get me started on abortion! There was a time that if a young girl was foolish enough to go out and have sex, she had to live with the consequences of her actions. Now, it is perfectly acceptable in our society for that same young girl to murder her unborn child. All that teaches our kids is that there are no consequences. They are free to do whatever they want to do, and we can just erase their mistakes. Where is our morality? Why are we as parents not taking the responsibility to teach our children what is right???

People say that we are progressing. What are we progressing toward?
Take me back to a time when people stood up for what they believed; not because it was popular, but because it was right. I want to go back to a time when people were not afraid to voice their opinions just because those opinions were unpopular. Ladies and gentlemen, I know that I am not the only person in this country who thinks this way. It is time for us to stand up! Stop being as sheep going meekly to the slaughter!! You have a voice, let it be heard!!!

If this post angers people, or causes me to ostracized, GOOD! I’m not trying to make people happy; I’m trying to make people think.

Until next time,
Nancy T.

Ranger Rick
07-08-2009, 07:41 PM
Excellent post. Welcome to the Conservative Underground.

Rockntractor
07-08-2009, 07:43 PM
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lacarnut
07-08-2009, 08:01 PM
Excellent post. Welcome to the Conservative Underground.

I second that.

FlaGator
07-08-2009, 09:36 PM
There are a lot of reasons for the prevalence of immorality in the World, feminism taken to its logical conclusion is just one of them. If you want to get to the root of immorality, however, you need look no further than unrestrained self-interest. When someone views his or her own comfort and happiness as more important than that of others then the road of immorality has been joined. Adultery is one form of this. Why do people cheat on those they claim to love? It is because in the heat of passion and lust they not only lose concern for the well-being of their partner but of the entire relationship. The damaged relationship is often not salvageable and if it can be repaired often trust is slowing in healing.

Abortion for the most part is the same thing. Ones own convenience and maintaining a current lifestyle trumps the life of an unborn child. Daily the unborn are sacrificed on the alter convenience to appease the gods of self-interest. This is the ultimate form of selfishness and some aspects of our culture embrace this and think of it as a medical blessing. They even make excuses as to why the abortion was a good thing going as far as to state it was more merciful to the child to kill it than to let him or her grow up in a poor or broken home. As a former fetus myself I think that is just plain non-sense.

Look around you at all the immorality in the world and if you think about the individual acts you will find that at the heart just about each one is worldview that revolves around the self and all else be damned. Murder, rape, pedophilia, thievery, lying and general violent behavior all revolve around self-interest run amok. The moment that someone takes a look at him or herself and even if ever so slightly elevates their needs above the needs of those around them then the first steps are taken down towards immoral behavior. Being human, if something feels good we tend to stick with it and in this case we make ourselves willfully numb to any pain and heartache that may be experienced by others along the way. We would not threat ourselves this way or tolerate others treating us like that yet some people have no inhibitions when it comes to visiting mistreatment on others... even those they claim to love. Deep down, however, where they can not hide from the truth they know that they only love themselves.

Gingersnap
07-08-2009, 09:43 PM
Interesting thread - paragraphs are your friend. ;)

stsinner
07-08-2009, 10:10 PM
Excellent point, except you forgot about kicking God out of public view and gay rights.. You did mention Bert and Ernie, but Snopes called bullshit on that. (http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/gaymuppet.asp)

Our country is going downhill rapidly, and we're calling it progression and tolerance.. Contrary to popular Liberals' belief, there is right and wrong, and they aren't subjective and malleable..

PoliCon
07-08-2009, 10:13 PM
Can someone give me the crib notes version. I haven't the patience for long posts tonight.

Shannon
07-08-2009, 10:21 PM
I didn't think Bert and Ernie were confirmed gay. I thought that was just stupid talk and jokes over the years.

Now when Rowling came out with Dumbledore being gay...:rolleyes:

NJCardFan
07-09-2009, 12:56 AM
I didn't think Bert and Ernie were confirmed gay. I thought that was just stupid talk and jokes over the years.

Now when Rowling came out with Dumbledore being gay...:rolleyes:
Not a stretch since Ian McLellan playing him now...

Japandroid
07-09-2009, 03:24 AM
Women’s Lib is the worst thing that has ever happened to this country, indeed, the world.

Ouch. Womens Lib fighting for the right to vote? The right to equal pay (still has not been achieved)? Non-discrimination and eradiction of sexual harassment in the workplace? Before you say that movement is the worst thing to ever happen to the entire world, consider the good things it's done and is still fighting for.

I would say the holocaust or cancer would rank slightly higher on bad things that have happened the world in the past 100 years.


daycare centers began teaching our children socialism

LOLWHAT? I highly doubt any daycare in the United States forces children to draw pictures of Trotsky* with crayons before nap time


The rest of it.

Teen pregnancy rates in the 50's were higher than they are today. So much for those old moral good times.

How about legalized sweatshops were workers were denied breaks, days off and safe working conditions? That's not morality. The decline of morality in modern culture is such a giant myth, teens are by and large more well-behaved today than they've ever been. Sure they might look like idiots with some of the clothes they wear or language they use, but that's always been the case with teenagers. Racial discrimination used to be lawful, I'm sure you've heard of separate but equal.

*I know, it was used for effect.

FlaGator
07-09-2009, 06:35 AM
Ouch. Womens Lib fighting for the right to vote? The right to equal pay (still has not been achieved)? Non-discrimination and eradiction of sexual harassment in the workplace? Before you say that movement is the worst thing to ever happen to the entire world, consider the good things it's done and is still fighting for.

I would say the holocaust or cancer would rank slightly higher on bad things that have happened the world in the past 100 years.



LOLWHAT? I highly doubt any daycare in the United States forces children to draw pictures of Trotsky* with crayons before nap time



Teen pregnancy rates in the 50's were higher than they are today. So much for those old moral good times.

How about legalized sweatshops were workers were denied breaks, days off and safe working conditions? That's not morality. The decline of morality in modern culture is such a giant myth, teens are by and large more well-behaved today than they've ever been. Sure they might look like idiots with some of the clothes they wear or language they use, but that's always been the case with teenagers. Racial discrimination used to be lawful, I'm sure you've heard of separate but equal.

*I know, it was used for effect.

I don't think that any one will deny the good things, but evenually most groups formed around causes become more interested in the perpetuation of the group than in the cause it self. You mention sweapshops but there are now laws against such types of business practices. There are laws that govern the interaction between management and workers. So what is the point of unions other than to collect dues and propetuate themselves? Look at the NAACP or PETA, they fought the good fight and won a lot of good victories but now they both tend to argue points that are debateable or are just plain nitpicking. The NAACP here in town have been calling for investigations as to why the police are shooting blacks who are committing crimes and are armed. What is the point of that? You pull a gun on a cop and you get shot. That transends race.

As for teens being more behaved, national statistics show that teens are involved in more crimes by percentage now then 30 years ago. All crime statictics are up over 30 years ago. Divorce is higher, adultery is higher, teen pregancy is higher, single families are higher, broken homes are higher. Is that a myth?

I guess if you view morality solely on gains in civil rights then the world is a better place. Minorities and woman are treated better but there is still much room for improvement in these areas. However, the strides made in civil rights do not necessarily compensate for declines in other areas. One of the most obvious signs of moral decay in this country can be had by driving past a school. When I graduated high school 30 years ago schools rarely had fences around them except for the sports areas and that was to regulate paid attendence at sporting events. Now all schools are surrounded like Fort Knox with fences and metal dectectors and security guards and police officers who live on site. I can tell you one thing. These defenses aren't being used because the world is a more moral place than it was when I graduated. If the decline in morality is a myth then why are there protections and restrictions in place now that did not exist 30 years ago?

noonwitch
07-09-2009, 09:12 AM
I wouldn't blame feminism for the problems of today's world.


There are a lot of irresponsible married couples raising kids out there, and plenty of responsible single parents. There are a lot of parents who are not paying attention to what their kids are doing. My parents didn't pay that much attention to the books I read or the movies I watched as a preteen and teen. We had HBO and no babysitter on Friday nights. My parents let me see The Godfather when I was 7 or 8, which was probably not the best parenting choice. The R rated movies of the 70s and early 80s that we watched were nothing compared to a modern, violent videogame. Even then, I don't blame the movies or the videogames, I blame parents who let their kids grow up thinking those things are more important than real people in their daily life.

My parents watched a lot of those movies with us, though. My mom took us to see Animal House when I was 14, after we begged her to for months. When they let me watch The Godfather, they were watching it with me and my brother (my little sister was deemed too young for that at the time). The horse's head was what made the other kids present scream, but the wedding scene was the one I asked my dad about-"What is Brian Piccolo doing to that bridesmaid?".


We have this vast, influential culture, that brings us some really good things and some terrible things. Parents have to be vigilant about what their kids see and how they learn to interpret the bad things that do get through.

Lager
07-09-2009, 10:16 AM
The decline of morality in modern culture is such a giant myth, teens are by and large more well-behaved today than they've ever been.


What do you base that opinion on? Especially the part about teens being more well behaved than ever before. Kids are bringing guns and drugs to school when they used to get in trouble for chewing gum.

Japandroid
07-09-2009, 09:19 PM
What do you base that opinion on? Especially the part about teens being more well behaved than ever before. Kids are bringing guns and drugs to school when they used to get in trouble for chewing gum.

One of out how many kids brings a gun to school. Seriously, just ballpark it for me.

Gingersnap
07-09-2009, 09:54 PM
One of out how many kids brings a gun to school. Seriously, just ballpark it for me.

The better question would be how many kids bringing guns to school hope to use them to intimidate or injure other students or teachers?

I was on the rifle team in my high school (my mother was also on the rifle team at her school). Oddly, there were no incidents where kids misused firearms. Now, there are.

What changed? We certainly had more kids who could shoot, with more access to firearms, and a school environment that was much more laid back about "guns in school". So, why do kids use guns violently more today than they did before?

It's an interesting question.

Lanie
07-09-2009, 11:13 PM
I don't really understand why people think things were more moral way back when. Yeah, kids used to be well mannered toward their parents. Then, they'd leave the house and sing songs like Eeny, meeny, miny, moe. Catch a ****** by his toe. If he hollers, make him pay fifty dollars every day." How respectful could some of these kids have possibly been?

Back in the supposedly more moral days, pregnant girls were sent off to homes for unwed mothers where they could have their babies and be forced to give them up. In some cases, a lie was told that the baby belonged to the girl's mother. Lies, deception, and forcing a girl to give up her child. How moral could they possibly have been?

If a guy didn't want to take responsibility for his child, all he had to do is say that he wasn't the father and that the girl was a whore. Men didn't take responsibility for squat. Today, we have DNA testing to prove the guy is the father. We also have actions in place to force fathers (or mothers depending on who the non-custodial parent is) to pay child support. I could be wrong, but I bet it was liberals who fought for child support. (Note: I'm not ragging on any parents that have made their own arrangement. I'm only ragging on non-custodial parents who don't want to take any responsibility for their kids). How responsible back then could the men have possibly been?

And does anybody know why some women fought so hard to get alcohol criminalized? Because men were drinking and then going home and beating their wives. If only the religious right or whoever put a tenth of much energy into condemning domestic violence as they do condemning women's lib.

Lanie
07-09-2009, 11:22 PM
There are a lot of reasons for the prevalence of immorality in the World, feminism taken to its logical conclusion is just one of them. If you want to get to the root of immorality, however, you need look no further than unrestrained self-interest. When someone views his or her own comfort and happiness as more important than that of others then the road of immorality has been joined. Adultery is one form of this. Why do people cheat on those they claim to love? It is because in the heat of passion and lust they not only lose concern for the well-being of their partner but of the entire relationship. The damaged relationship is often not salvageable and if it can be repaired often trust is slowing in healing.

Abortion for the most part is the same thing. Ones own convenience and maintaining a current lifestyle trumps the life of an unborn child. Daily the unborn are sacrificed on the alter convenience to appease the gods of self-interest. This is the ultimate form of selfishness and some aspects of our culture embrace this and think of it as a medical blessing. They even make excuses as to why the abortion was a good thing going as far as to state it was more merciful to the child to kill it than to let him or her grow up in a poor or broken home. As a former fetus myself I think that is just plain non-sense.

Look around you at all the immorality in the world and if you think about the individual acts you will find that at the heart just about each one is worldview that revolves around the self and all else be damned. Murder, rape, pedophilia, thievery, lying and general violent behavior all revolve around self-interest run amok. The moment that someone takes a look at him or herself and even if ever so slightly elevates their needs above the needs of those around them then the first steps are taken down towards immoral behavior. Being human, if something feels good we tend to stick with it and in this case we make ourselves willfully numb to any pain and heartache that may be experienced by others along the way. We would not threat ourselves this way or tolerate others treating us like that yet some people have no inhibitions when it comes to visiting mistreatment on others... even those they claim to love. Deep down, however, where they can not hide from the truth they know that they only love themselves.

Interesting analysis. I agree about self-interest.

Lager
07-10-2009, 01:53 AM
One of out how many kids brings a gun to school. Seriously, just ballpark it for me.

Are you serious? You are the one who made the statement that today's teenagers are more well behaved than ever. I asked you how you came to that conclusion. You live around Chicago. You are telling me that the stories of guns and drugs and gangs in schools today are blown out of proportion, or isolated incidents? Just tell us how you came to your conclusion. Was it from personally observing different classrooms? Scientific polling? What?

Lager
07-10-2009, 02:01 AM
I don't really understand why people think things were more moral way back when. Yeah, kids used to be well mannered toward their parents. Then, they'd leave the house and sing songs like Eeny, meeny, miny, moe. Catch a ****** by his toe. If he hollers, make him pay fifty dollars every day." How respectful could some of these kids have possibly been?

Back in the supposedly more moral days, pregnant girls were sent off to homes for unwed mothers where they could have their babies and be forced to give them up. In some cases, a lie was told that the baby belonged to the girl's mother. Lies, deception, and forcing a girl to give up her child. How moral could they possibly have been?

If a guy didn't want to take responsibility for his child, all he had to do is say that he wasn't the father and that the girl was a whore. Men didn't take responsibility for squat. Today, we have DNA testing to prove the guy is the father. We also have actions in place to force fathers (or mothers depending on who the non-custodial parent is) to pay child support. I could be wrong, but I bet it was liberals who fought for child support. (Note: I'm not ragging on any parents that have made their own arrangement. I'm only ragging on non-custodial parents who don't want to take any responsibility for their kids). How responsible back then could the men have possibly been?

And does anybody know why some women fought so hard to get alcohol criminalized? Because men were drinking and then going home and beating their wives. If only the religious right or whoever put a tenth of much energy into condemning domestic violence as they do condemning women's lib.

So you use as an example children playing tag and using the N word in a rhyme with no intended malice. Yet how could you ignore the music and lyrics that blast from car stereos or through the headphones of students in most urban schools?

And why do you think conservatives would be against child support when personal responsibility is prominent in the conservative philosophy?

nancylt
07-10-2009, 02:45 AM
Thanks for the welcome, and the comments. Keep them coming, cuz I believe in constructive criticism.:D

PoliCon
07-10-2009, 02:58 AM
okay . . . . . .




THE SOONERS SUCK! :p

FlaGator
07-10-2009, 05:39 AM
One of out how many kids brings a gun to school. Seriously, just ballpark it for me.

When I was in school, 1979, (and I when to a rough high school) no kids brought guns. No shootings happened and no one was suspended for having a gun. That same school now has had all of these things. So in this case zero is less than what ever the average is today.

How many kids brought guns to school in the 70s? Seriously, just ballpark it for me.

FlaGator
07-10-2009, 05:40 AM
Thanks for the welcome, and the comments. Keep them coming, cuz I believe in constructive criticism.:D

We're glad to have you here and thinks for starting the interesting thread.

linda22003
07-10-2009, 07:48 AM
When I was in school, 1979, (and I when to a rough high school) no kids brought guns. No shootings happened and no one was suspended for having a gun. That same school now has had all of these things.

Them dang femmy-nists! :eek:

noonwitch
07-10-2009, 09:07 AM
When I was in school, 1979, (and I when to a rough high school) no kids brought guns. No shootings happened and no one was suspended for having a gun. That same school now has had all of these things. So in this case zero is less than what ever the average is today.

How many kids brought guns to school in the 70s? Seriously, just ballpark it for me.



I graduated in 1982. No one ever brought a gun to my school, although a kid got suspended in middle school for bringing a switchblade.


Not only that, my friends and I brought aspirin and midol to school, and it was allowed. That was before you could get ibuprofin over the counter.

nancylt
07-16-2009, 07:46 PM
okay . . . . . .




THE SOONERS SUCK! :p

I agree...

ExLiberal
10-11-2009, 02:55 AM
Great post, nancylt! I'm new here so I'm going back and skimming a bunch of older posts, and I'm glad I found this one. I completely agree with everything you say. Very honest and observing. These are really sad times.

Goldwater
10-11-2009, 09:16 AM
I think the behaviour of children is not that different from a generation ago. The ability and scope of media however highlights all the the unpleasant parts of society that much better, where as back then it would go about and known about only locally.