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Rockntractor
07-09-2009, 12:26 AM
Liberty Belle (1000+ posts) Wed Jul-08-09 11:21 PM
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So my friend saved a man's life, but probably cost him his freedom
My friend was driving in the desert east of San Diego. The temperature was probably in the high 90s. He saw a Latino man staggering along the road, wearing three layers of clothing.

Knowing this to be an area frequented by illegal border crossers, my friend (a good-hearted soul and strong progressive activist) hesitated.

If he offered the man a ride, he could put himself at risk if stopped, and even be accused of being a coyote (smuggler of undocumented immigrants). Yet his conscience wouldn't allow him to do nothing.

He stopped and offered the man some water (possibly also illegal, but not likely to be caught since no Border Patrol was visible). The man's eyes were glazed over and he was incoherent. (Yes, my friend speaks fluent Spanish). He looked on the verge of collapse. So my friend called 9-1-1, knowing that in doing so the man would likely face deportation. But if he did nothing, he would probably die, as more than 600 have crossing this harsh terrain since the border wall has forced them further and further east, requiring a 3-day trek over boulder-strewn mountains and desert with no shade or water.

Thankfully a group of medics from an Indian reservation were first to arrive. Whether they turned the man over to immigration authorities we will never know. Officially, I hear, the tribes say that they cooperate with authorities. But their lands are sovereign nations, so if they take someone for treatment at an Indian clinic, who knows where they go next?

Our immigration system truly is broken. Nobody should have to choose between helping someone in need or risking having them die to reach freedom. For poor people in Mexico, there is no legal way to immigrate to America. You can't get a visa or work permit if you don't own property in Mexico. So people risk their lives, often told by coyotes that it's just a short walk to freedom in America, never warning them of the extent of that journey or dangers that include rattlesnakes, scorpions, steep terrain where falls can kill a man, woman, or child, the ever-present vigilantes patrolling our borders, and the most deadly enemy: heat.

What is wrong with America?





http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6019069

It's story time again.

NJCardFan
07-09-2009, 12:35 AM
OK, a get rich quick scheme. Someone has to publish all of these bouncies.

Rockntractor
07-09-2009, 12:36 AM
Liberty Belle (1000+ posts) Wed Jul-08-09 11:30 PM
Response to Reply #1
5. Yes, last week ironically I posted about saving a life in a similar situation;
in my case it was an old man in his bathrobe walking head-on toward traffic on a freeway onramp. Two cars ahead of me drove around him and kept going. He had a cane, was red-faced and clutching his chest. We stopped and it was clear he had Alzheimer's or some similar condition. I shudder to think how he'd have wound up if we didn't stop, since not only was he clearly on the verge of collapse, he also had a wad of hundred dollar bills and asked if we'd drive him to a casino! He could've been robbed, if not struck by a car first.

Looks like we have a whole pack of lifsavers here.

stsinner
07-09-2009, 12:41 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6019069

It's story time again.

"Our immigration system truly is broken. Nobody should have to choose between helping someone in need or risking having them die to reach freedom"

A 12-foot fence with concertina wire in 2 or three layers and electrified along the top stretching the length of our Southern border would cure this "broken" border and end, "dying in the deseert.." They'd be dying in their own country where they belong..... Maybe then their own government would take an interest in them, instead of printing how-to manuals in the soles of their shoes...

Rockntractor
07-09-2009, 12:43 AM
OK, a get rich quick scheme. Someone has to publish all of these bouncies.

Not a bad idea but I am sure Skinner owns the copyright on everything posted over there. It would make a neat scrapbook though!

Rockntractor
07-09-2009, 12:46 AM
Liberty Belle (1000+ posts) Wed Jul-08-09 11:38 PM
Response to Reply #4
11. He's worked side by side with a lot of Mexicans (most illegal) and hates seeing them deported,
knowing it could mean their children go hungry or that the immigrant will die in some future border crossing attempt. He's heard many of their stories first-hand and understands their pain and sorrow. My friend is the sort who would look the other way and not turn someone in, unless their life is in danger.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6019069
It would seem our hero is involved with helping them quite often!

Rockntractor
07-09-2009, 12:52 AM
Liberty Belle (1000+ posts) Wed Jul-08-09 11:43 PM
Response to Reply #2
14. Free to watch his children starve, perhaps?
This is often the harsh reality for those desperate enough to try this dangerous crossing.

The honest poor in Mexico have little alternative, especially with the horrific state of the Mexican economy and now drought, than to attempt to reach the U.S. Dishonest ones resort to drug trafficking - which has grown so brazen that the drug dealers openly advertise on radio, signs, in newspapers, etc. for people who will do anything for a few bucks. The drug trade is not only dishonorable, of course, it is also very dangerous. There have been hundreds of murders recently among rival drug gangs in Mexico - including beheadings, people with their tongues cut out, etc.

I am constantly astonished at how little most Americans know of how bad conditions are for ordinary people south of the border.

what would you propose for poor people in Mexico to do?

Oh to hell with it! Let them all move here!

Rockntractor
07-09-2009, 01:24 AM
Mr. Liberty Belle is a compassionate person. I can understand his frustration in this thread but we can't afford to solve our own problems right now let alone Mexico's!

SarasotaRepub
07-09-2009, 07:55 AM
What is wrong with America?


DU's mantra.
Never what's right with America, just wrong.
They soak themselves in it and wonder why some question their loyalty to this county.

:D

noonwitch
07-09-2009, 08:50 AM
If that situation is true, humanitarian reasons are why I do support tough border policies. There are people who have no regard for the lives of the illegals they are smuggling into this country, because they are making money bringing them in. There are issues of people who are brought here to be used as slave labor. There are also risks to one's life crossing the border in a desert, all alone. One could argue that the INS/Border Patrol is trying to prevent people from ending up in this man's condition by enforcing immigration laws, and forcing potential immigrants to come here the legal way.

Shannon
07-09-2009, 09:13 AM
I could barely get through that drivel.:rolleyes:

WTF is wrong with these people? THEY are what is wrong with America.

Sonnabend
07-09-2009, 09:40 AM
He looked on the verge of collapse. So my friend called 9-1-1, knowing that in doing so the man would likely face deportation. But if he did nothing, he would probably die, as more than 600 have crossing this harsh terrain since the border wall has forced them further and further east, requiring a 3-day trek over boulder-strewn mountains and desert with no shade or water.

Got a better idea. Turn around, drive to Mexico., throw out the wetback with the words

"Emigrate legally."

hoplophobe
07-09-2009, 10:47 AM
Liberty Belle (1000+ posts) Wed Jul-08-09 11:21 PM
Original message
So...

Our immigration system truly is broken. Nobody should have to choose between helping someone in need or risking having them die to reach freedom.

What is wrong with America?
I condensed it down to the parts I want to comment on.

1st...It starts with "so" which is what every bouncy needs.
2nd...I was not aware of the Mexican people being oppressed. The post sounds like he is trying to equate this Mexican's plight to what East Germans went thru to get over the wall in Berlin. The East Germans were oppressed. The Mexicans are victims incompetent leaders...who they elected.

BadCat
07-09-2009, 12:22 PM
There are groups here in AZ that go out in the desert and set up water stations for the illegal scum parasites entering the country.

There is another group that goes out in the desert and dismantles those stations.

Guess which one I'm in.

Speedy
07-09-2009, 01:25 PM
Working in the oil fields in Texas most of my life we used to have illegals come up to our rigs asking for water or food. Company policy was to deny them any food or water. It was dangerous enough around all our equipment without having them come around.

Teetop
07-09-2009, 05:49 PM
I miss the "good ole days" of Bouncies....

Remember the Cops, the bushes, conversions.

:mad:

Dan D. Doty
07-09-2009, 09:22 PM
I condensed it down to the parts I want to comment on.

1st...It starts with "so" which is what every bouncy needs.
2nd...I was not aware of the Mexican people being oppressed. The post sounds like he is trying to equate this Mexican's plight to what East Germans went thru to get over the wall in Berlin. The East Germans were oppressed. The Mexicans are victims incompetent leaders...who they elected.

I was going to make that point too, Hop.

This Moonbat acts like the guy was escaping from a dictatorship, not sneaking in the U.S. to get a third rate job at slave wages.