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Rockntractor
07-10-2009, 12:21 AM
Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-09-09 05:23 PM
Original message
Now that right-wing DU'ers can "unrecommend" threads off the greatest page
Will we have any discussions that still matter anymore?

What posts will even survive?

Will DU be worth having if views the conservative wing of DU'ers(and it simply isn't possible that progressives could support this)are going to be blocked from the Greatest Page?

And why do those people so fear free speech?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6025232
There is a new button in DUmmy land the much hated unrecommend. They are behaving like an ant hill that you just pee'd on.

Teetop
07-10-2009, 12:25 AM
Will we have any discussions that still matter anymore?


Did you ever?

No....

Rockntractor
07-10-2009, 12:25 AM
redqueen (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-09-09 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #16
21. Unrecing threads doesn't supress debate.
Edited on Thu Jul-09-09 05:38 PM by redqueen
I think the unrec feature is democratic, so... yeah, I think there's a way for progressives to support it.
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-09-09 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #21
27. How can reducing the number of people who sees the thread be democratic or progressive?
And if forcing a thread off the Greatest page isn't about reducing the number of people who see and participate in it, that what other possible point could there be to doing this?

"unrecommend" causes trouble and hard feelings to no good end.
Wah Wah Wah!

Lanie
07-10-2009, 12:27 AM
Am I the only one who never looks on the greatest page for discussion? I just roam the threads. I don't go there often, but that's what I do when I do go. It's just the old fashioned lurking.

Rockntractor
07-10-2009, 12:29 AM
Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-09-09 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #51
59. If threads can be blocked from the Greatest Page because some just don't like their ideas
We can assume that no discussion on that page will ever be of any real value again. Threads that only reflect "majority" opinion(and it's a teensy, weensy bit arrogant to assume that the people who want to "unrec" are somehow the oppressed "Silent Majority" of DU)
are not going to be discussions. They will be, by definition, bland and meaningless, thus pointless.

Every idea that ever mattered in human history, including every GOOD idea, was considered offensive by someone. And some of those "someones" did everything they could to keep that "offensive" idea from wider circulation. If DU becomes a "majority makes right" place, it will cease to be a place where anything is said that could actually matter.

We don't need to become Sycophancy Underground.
I didn't Know a greatest thread page existed until today. These people need to find some meaning in their lives!

Rockntractor
07-10-2009, 12:40 AM
Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-09-09 11:35 AM
Original message
We are introducing a new DU feature that people have been requesting for a long time. (EDITED)
Edited on Thu Jul-09-09 01:46 PM by Skinner
We have finally upgraded the DU Recommend function to allow people to "Unrecommend" as well.

Why Are We Adding This Functionality?

If you have spent any time on DU, you have probably noticed that under our old system -- which only permitted positive recommendations -- there was a tendency for highly polarizing topics to climb to the top of the Greatest Page. We believe that giving members the option to unrecommend topics will help insure that the threads at the top of the Greatest Page are those threads that have the broadest appeal to our members.

We do not expect that this will be a huge change for DU. But we do hope that it will put a little more emphasis on the topics that unite us, instead of those that divide us. Of course, you are still free to post discussion threads on highly polarizing topics. You just won't get the positive reinforcement of seeing them at the top of the Greatest Page.

How It Works

If you look in the bottom left corner of any discussion thread, you should see something like this:

Recommend 0 votes Unrecommend

I think this is probably fairly self-explanatory. You click the "Recommend" link if you want to positively recommend a thread, and you click the "Unrecommend" link if you want to register your disapproval. The number tells you the thread's net score (calculated by subtracting unrecommendations from recommendations). A positive score indicates that the number of recommendations is greater than the number of unrecommenndations.

As part of this upgrade, you will now see your vote added instantaneously when you click either "Recommend" or "Unrecommend". You won't be taken to a new page after casting a vote, and you won't have to click the back button to return to the thread. (Note that you will need to have Javascript enabled in your Web browser in order to use the system.)

When a thread gets a net score of +5 it appears on the Greatest Page. The thread posted in the previous 24 hours that has the highest net score is listed at the top of the Greatest Page. (If a thread's net score falls below +5, it will disappear from the Greatest Page, but if its net score returns to +5 it will re-appear in the same spot it held previously.)

If a thread's net score falls below 0, it will appear as "<0". You can continue to recommend or unrecommend these threads, and your vote will be tallied. But if the net score remains below zero, it will continue to simply show as <0. We decided to do this because the purpose of permitting unrecommendations is to improve the content of the DU Greatest page -- it is not necessary to show extreme negative scores in order to achieve that goal.

Comments And Bug Reports

We understand that there are some potential downsides to this change, as there are to any change. We are going to closely monitor this new system, to make certain that it actually does what it is intended to do, and to ensure that it makes DU better for most of our members. We welcome your feedback about this new system, and while we understand that there are likely to be a number of threads about the new system over the next few days, we hope you will post any comments or bug reports in this thread.

Thank you for your patience and understanding as we implement this change. And thank you for being a part of this community.

Skinner, EarlG, and Elad
DU Administrators

ON EDIT: We have decided to remove the total number of votes, and only show the net score. It was apparent that showing the total number of votes was confusing to readers. It made it appear that you could simply subtract the net score from the total votes to get the number of unrecommendations, which was NOT correct. I apologize for the confusion.



His high and mightyness has spoken!

PoliCon
07-10-2009, 12:59 AM
I know this place exists because of that place - but I can't stomach going there.

Rockntractor
07-10-2009, 01:03 AM
I know this place exists because of that place - but I can't stomach going there.
It's realy bad when you first see the posts. You are filled with disbelief and anger. Then you resign yourself to the reality that life will soon be over on this planet. They rule us now. There is nowhere to run or hide!

PoliCon
07-10-2009, 01:18 AM
It's realy bad when you first see the posts. You are filled with disbelief and anger. Then you resign yourself to the reality that life will soon be over on this planet. They rule us now. There is nowhere to run or hide!

Thank you but I prefer not to despair. No matter how terrible things are I know that God is still on his throne and I am still beloved to him.

Rockntractor
07-10-2009, 01:28 AM
Thank you but I prefer not to despair. No matter how terrible things are I know that God is still on his throne and I am still beloved to him.

I need to remind myself of that daily that is why I just posted the picture of my grand nieces 2nd birthday party.

Dan D. Doty
07-10-2009, 06:58 AM
Conservative wing??? Free speech ???

Since when did the Moonbats allow anyone with a different thought then the Hive's post their views and when DU did start to believe in free speech since they spend most of their time banning any statement that went against the thoughts of the Collective.

DU hates the idea of allowing people to vote on anything because they may not get their way; they rather have the state impose it's way on the people.

CU allows anyone to post here, DU can't even mention our name; who believes in free speech again?

It ain't you, DU.

SarasotaRepub
07-10-2009, 07:36 AM
Conservative wing??? Free speech ???

Since when did the Moonbats allow anyone with a different thought then the Hive's post their views and when DU did start to believe in free speech since they spend most of their time banning any statement that went against the thoughts of the Collective.

DU hates the idea of allowing people to vote on anything because they may not get their way; they rather have the state impose it's way on the people.

CU allows anyone to post here, DU can't even mention our name; who believes in free speech again?

It ain't you, DU.

I know...that's pretty funny...free speech on DU...hee,hee. :D

Sonnabend
07-10-2009, 07:50 AM
...there are right wingers on DU? :confused:

ralph wiggum
07-10-2009, 10:42 AM
"unrecommend" causes trouble and hard feelings to no good end.

Oh no, hard feelings!!!!!!!!!! That's life, grow a pair, DUmmies.

Rockntractor
07-10-2009, 10:53 AM
Am wondering if unrecommend could be a mole trap?

ralph wiggum
07-10-2009, 10:56 AM
Am wondering if unrecommend could be a mole trap?

Absolutely. The admins at DU can certainly tell how you voted, just like they can when you vote in a poll. Remember a while back when one of them acknowledged that they banned certain people for voting "wrong" in a DU poll.

Lanie
07-10-2009, 01:09 PM
...there are right wingers on DU? :confused:

Conservadems and moles, yeah.

hoplophobe
07-10-2009, 01:19 PM
...there are right wingers on DU? :confused:
Yep...it is what the communists there call the socialists.

3rd-try
07-10-2009, 07:36 PM
...there are right wingers on DU? :confused:


I think it's the ones who seek a strict limit of 10 late-term abortions per teenager.

JB
07-10-2009, 07:45 PM
I always love it when Skammer posts and thinks that he, and his website, matter.

Rockntractor
07-11-2009, 09:17 AM
zeemike (1000+ posts) Sat Jul-11-09 07:15 AM
Original message
Skinner...How about a compromise on R&U
So we can calm the seas and stop having to bail out the boat.

Change the Unrecommended button to Vote and have a for or against, and restore the recommend to the way it was...You could add a most popular page where posts were ranked according to the popular vote.

Then perhaps we can make peace with each other again.
And the whining continues.

havocmom (1000+ posts) Sat Jul-11-09 07:56 AM
Response to Reply #19
23. You didn't say it. You posted against others' option to exercise criticism vie unrec option
Your actions speak volumes while you words may be minced.

Whassamatter? Need a muffin this morning or sumtin?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6039898
Mmmm! A muffin does sound kinda good!

Rockntractor
07-14-2009, 08:20 PM
Once again the Oracle has Spoken!

Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-14-09 01:37 PM
Original message
We are going to keep the unrecommend feature.
By now, I think most of you have probably heard that we upgraded the DU Recommend function to allow people to "Unrecommend" as well. For those of you who missed it, here is my thread from last week announcing the change.

The DU admins have been monitoring the new feature, and we are pleased to see that it is working more-or-less how we intended it to work. In fact, I think it is working better than I expected. Our motivation for giving you the ability to unrecommend was to improve the overall quality of the threads that make it to the DU Greatest Page, while giving a boost to topics that have broad appeal to our members, and it seems to be doing just that. We believe the unrecommend function has been a success, and it is a net positive for our community.

Obviously, there are many people who are not happy about this change, and have said so. After trying the new system for five days, we believe that the most dire predictions have not come to pass. However, we do believe some of your concerns are legitimate. We have been closely monitoring the system to see how it is being used and abused, and will continue to do so. So far, it is our impression that the vast majority of DUers are trying to use the system in a fair and responsible manner. A small number of people have used it in a manner we would consider irresponsible, and an even smaller number have been grossly abusive in their use of the system. We have the ability to bar members from using the system if they abuse it, and we have taken advantage of that ability in a few extreme cases. But we believe it is very difficult for the small number of abusive users to have much impact because there are so many people using it in a responsible manner. For the most part, the ratings seem fair. Obviously, there are exceptions -- but I don't think it makes sense to throw out the entire system because a few deserving threads did not make it to the greatest page, or because a few undeserving threads did. Overall, I think that happens a lot less under our new system compared to the system we had before.

We are going to continue to monitor the system to see how it is working, and how it is not. We are committed to making any changes that we deem necessary and appropriate so that the system is relatively fair and free from abuse. One change that we are considering -- which has been suggested by many of you -- is to get rid of the "<0" designation so threads will never display a rating lower than 0. We believe this change would take away one incentive for people to abuse the system, and it would not affect our goal of improving the content of the Greatest Page.

Also, now that we have the system in place, there are a lot of cool things we can do with it. Many of you have suggested that we could crunch the recs and unrecs in new ways in order to create lists of highly controversial threads, or popular threads, or threads with the most positive recommendations, or whatever. We think it would be cool to do this. If we can provide you with more different ways to experience DU, that's a good thing.

Thank you for your patience and understanding as we improve DU. And thank you for all of your feedback.

Skinner, EarlG, and Elad
DU Administrators

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6066066&mesg_id=6066066

The banning will start and the whining will end!

Apocalypse
07-14-2009, 10:43 PM
And why do those people so fear free speech?

Free speech at the DUmp??

Lets see;

Can not mention "The Site That Can Not Be Named."

Can not mention "Cindy Sheehan."

Can not say an thing positive or that could be mistaken as positive about the GOP or what they have done.

Can not question any Dems in power or say any thing negitive about them.

Free speech does not exist at the DUmp.

FDK
07-15-2009, 04:39 AM
We believe that giving members the option to unrecommend topics will help insure that the threads at the top of the Greatest Page are those threads that have the broadest appeal to our members.

Obviously Skimmer has a libtard public school education. It ensure, you moran!

FlaGator
07-15-2009, 07:10 AM
They have a weird concept of bad. Bad is getting your hand cut off in a garbage disposal. Bad is not being about to avert an ignorant post from being displayed on the front page of DU.

SarasotaRepub
07-15-2009, 07:55 AM
To be fair and for any newbies that might not know DU is a
Lib site that makes no bones about who they want for members. If
you aren't a Dem or Lib you aren't welcome, period. And that's
Skinner's right to set up a site like that.

But free speech??? There me thinks it gets a little fuzzy to say
the least. Currently, "Free Speech" over on DU means supporting
POTUS without question. Minor disagrees are ok as long as you
qualify the post with some Obama ass kissing some where in it.

"Free Speech" has also meant "Polls" that, if you answer wrong,
you get the Teh TS. These are also mole traps but anyone with
half a brain knows that. :rolleyes:

As always, DU is some of the best free entertainment on AlGore's
Internets...:D

SPYDER
07-16-2009, 06:50 PM
Please be carefull if you have a mole account at DU. The other day I "unrecommended" a few post and got Tombstoned!!! So I guess if you don't like a post, you get Tombstoned. Thank goodness I have several emails and can pick a IP from any where in the world.

SarasotaRepub
07-16-2009, 07:24 PM
Please be carefull if you have a mole account at DU. The other day I "unrecommended" a few post and got Tombstoned!!! So I guess if you don't like a post, you get Tombstoned. Thank goodness I have several emails and can pick a IP from any where in the world.

LOL!!! Sorry about your mole. Oh course the Admins can see you unrecing stuff so if your mole was marginal at DU...:eek::D

Rockntractor
07-16-2009, 07:30 PM
To be fair and for any newbies that might not know DU is a
Lib site that makes no bones about who they want for members. If
you aren't a Dem or Lib you aren't welcome, period. And that's
Skinner's right to set up a site like that.

But free speech??? There me thinks it gets a little fuzzy to say
the least. Currently, "Free Speech" over on DU means supporting
POTUS without question. Minor disagrees are ok as long as you
qualify the post with some Obama ass kissing some where in it.

"Free Speech" has also meant "Polls" that, if you answer wrong,
you get the Teh TS. These are also mole traps but anyone with
half a brain knows that. :rolleyes:

As always, DU is some of the best free entertainment on AlGore's
Internets...:D
What was the name of your dear departed mole?

SarasotaRepub
07-16-2009, 09:42 PM
What was the name of your dear departed mole?

FL4Gore. :D

That one was quite some time ago...