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satanica
07-14-2009, 01:16 PM
Mostly red states that depend on the money from blue states, oh the irony.


Donor States vs. Subsidized States

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/1457/donor.png

satanica
07-14-2009, 01:33 PM
How does it feel to depend on Socialism ?

You guys attack the very system that is keeping your state afloat.

satanica
07-14-2009, 01:53 PM
Viva socialism.

I agree with the right wing, the subsidized states should be allowed to fail. Most red states should be closed down because they can't pay their bills.

PoliCon
07-14-2009, 01:57 PM
Mostly red states that depend on the money from blue states, oh the irony.


Donor States vs. Subsidized States

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/1457/donor.png

Pray tell - what is the source of the information portrayed in that map?

Lager
07-14-2009, 01:59 PM
Viva socialism.

I agree with the right wing, the subsidized states should be allowed to fail. Most red states should be closed down because they can't pay their bills.

Yeah boy. That reddest of red states, Viva California.

satanica
07-14-2009, 02:02 PM
http://www.sustainablemiddleclass.com/Subsidized-Red-Donor-Blue.html

stsinner
07-14-2009, 02:05 PM
What a crock of shit that information is... California isn't producing or providing for anyone-they're the biggest welfare state in the nation!! I think a liberal labeled them backwards...

Unless they're talking about farming, alone, in which case this might hold up because of farm subsidies..

satanica
07-14-2009, 02:07 PM
The graph shows Cali is a subsidized state.

They are depending on socialism just like most red states.

Maybe read the thread before posting next time.

Lager
07-14-2009, 02:12 PM
Depending on socialism? They are the perfect textbook example of socialism in action, and they are going down in flames. Do we need to point anywhere else to see why the experiment failed?

stsinner
07-14-2009, 02:15 PM
The graph shows Cali is a subsidized state.

They are depending on socialism just like most red states.

Maybe read the thread before posting next time.

Red says, "Donor state." The alternative is, "Subsidized State.." Maybe you need a dictionary. Red are givers, supposedly, and green are the takers, according to this erroneous graphic.

satanica
07-14-2009, 02:18 PM
Depending on socialism? They are the perfect textbook example of socialism in action, and they are going down in flames. Do we need to point anywhere else to see why the experiment failed?

So you think we should let the red states just fail and collapse ?

If anything, this proves that socialism works, the states that can't take care of themselves are helped out by those that can.

It shows that socialism works in the USA.

You also have made a choice to buy health insurance, you pay every month to take care of other people knowing that when you need help, it will be there.

You have made a choice to buy into socialism.

satanica
07-14-2009, 02:19 PM
Red says, "Donor state." The alternative is, "Subsidized State.." Maybe you need a dictionary. Red are givers, supposedly, and green are the takers, according to this erroneous graphic.


Sorry you are right. In the end, most red states are depending on socialism.

Lager
07-14-2009, 02:24 PM
So you think we should let the red states just fail and collapse ?

If anything, this proves that socialism works, the states that can't take care of themselves are helped out by those that can.

It shows that socialism works in the USA.

You also have made a choice to buy health insurance, you pay every month to take care of other people knowing that when you need help, it will be there.

You have made a choice to buy into socialism.

No, I think California clearly shows socialism doesn't work, or the state wouldn't be in such a shambles.
And I was going to respond to your assertion that me buying private health insurance is somehow an example of socialism, but I am tired and getting a little confused....

satanica
07-14-2009, 02:28 PM
No, I think California clearly shows socialism doesn't work, or the state wouldn't be in such a shambles.
And I was going to respond to your assertion that me buying private health insurance is somehow an example of socialism, but I am tired and getting a little confused....

Cali is sending more money to the government than they get back, this is because there are many many red states that need help. They have governors that can't seem to govern.

Now if those red states could get their act together, Cali would be able to keep more of their money.

lacarnut
07-14-2009, 02:49 PM
Cali is sending more money to the government than they get back, this is because there are many many red states that need help. They have governors that can't seem to govern.

Now if those red states could get their act together, Cali would be able to keep more of their money.

The states with the highest unemployment, the highest taxes, the highest cost of living, the worst economy, etc are in the blue states. Suck on that. I think I will pass on Governors like Blago, Corzine, Patterson, Bloomberg, Arnuld, etc.

Molon Labe
07-14-2009, 02:55 PM
OOOO I love where you got this from.:rolleyes:


LINK (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.taxfoundation.org/UserFiles/Image/Blog/ftsbs-large.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php%3Faz%3Dview_all%26address%3D132x845604 8&usg=__IAcnuJNCCG_efeM8z31b-vKCFgc=&h=505&w=743&sz=71&hl=en&start=2&sig2=OruPwkFKp1GhDXlUvR_3sQ&um=1&tbnid=dB0KZn85dtR2lM:&tbnh=96&tbnw=141&prev=/images%3Fq%3DDonor%2BStates%2Bvs.%2BSubsidized%2BS tates%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1&ei=19NcSofGNc3bmQelsszdDQ)



ChimpersMcSmirkers (1000+ posts) Sun Jun-07-09 01:19 PM
Response to Original message
2. What I find interesting is the geography of this.
Here's a map I whipped up:

BadCat
07-14-2009, 03:32 PM
OOOO I love where you got this from.:rolleyes:


LINK (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.taxfoundation.org/UserFiles/Image/Blog/ftsbs-large.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php%3Faz%3Dview_all%26address%3D132x845604 8&usg=__IAcnuJNCCG_efeM8z31b-vKCFgc=&h=505&w=743&sz=71&hl=en&start=2&sig2=OruPwkFKp1GhDXlUvR_3sQ&um=1&tbnid=dB0KZn85dtR2lM:&tbnh=96&tbnw=141&prev=/images%3Fq%3DDonor%2BStates%2Bvs.%2BSubsidized%2BS tates%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1&ei=19NcSofGNc3bmQelsszdDQ)

That, and the fact that he can't even read his own lies, make him a nominee for "Retard of the Year".

PoliCon
07-14-2009, 05:53 PM
The graph shows Cali is a subsidized state.

They are depending on socialism just like most red states.

Maybe read the thread before posting next time.

according to the map you posted - Cali is supposedly a donor state . . . .

PoliCon
07-14-2009, 05:57 PM
OOOO I love where you got this from.:rolleyes:


LINK (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.taxfoundation.org/UserFiles/Image/Blog/ftsbs-large.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php%3Faz%3Dview_all%26address%3D132x845604 8&usg=__IAcnuJNCCG_efeM8z31b-vKCFgc=&h=505&w=743&sz=71&hl=en&start=2&sig2=OruPwkFKp1GhDXlUvR_3sQ&um=1&tbnid=dB0KZn85dtR2lM:&tbnh=96&tbnw=141&prev=/images%3Fq%3DDonor%2BStates%2Bvs.%2BSubsidized%2BS tates%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1&ei=19NcSofGNc3bmQelsszdDQ)


That, and the fact that he can't even read his own lies, make him a nominee for "Retard of the Year".

and it's not like any fucking retard who can type or copy/paste can make their own website which will say just about anything they like making up what ever facts they want to "support" their claims . . . OH WAIT - that can happen. :rolleyes:

Zathras
07-14-2009, 09:21 PM
Funny how Kiki posts a map from 2002 and thinks we won't notice. Hey DUmbass, try posting something a little more current.

Teetop
07-14-2009, 11:37 PM
Cali is sending more money to the government than they get back, this is because there are many many red states that need help. They have governors that can't seem to govern.

Now if those red states could get their act together, Cali would be able to keep more of their money.

How do you explain away Texas, DUmb-ass?

The reddest of red states, with a surplus? :rolleyes:

Fail.

Checkmate.

Game, set and match.

I'll give you a hint...

It's the part-time legislature. They spend less money.

:cool:

Gingersnap
07-14-2009, 11:48 PM
Get rid of Ag subsidies. End of problem.

I say this as somebody who has benefited from that program. It's a "loophole", not a strategic benefit nationally.

If Ag subsidies ended, the huge multinational agribusinesses would lose but the flexible, small owners would be shocked into competition (which they do very well on most of their land, anyway).

Do that and most of the Red State "benefits" would end. It's just not the case that Alamosa and Cripple Creek and Limon have hoards of pregnant teen drop-outs who require Federal dollars in benefits.

Teetop
07-15-2009, 12:10 AM
Get rid of Ag subsidies. End of problem.

I say this as somebody who has benefited from that program. It's a "loophole", not a strategic benefit nationally.

If Ag subsidies ended, the huge multinational agribusinesses would lose but the flexible, small owners would be shocked into competition (which they do very well on most of their land, anyway).

Do that and most of the Red State "benefits" would end. It's just not the case that Alamosa and Cripple Creek and Limon have hoards of pregnant teen drop-outs who require Federal dollars in benefits.

Don't forget, welfare is under the Dept. Of Ag. :eek:

edit post to add; I agree. Most Ag producers take advantage of the "system". Believe me, I live with nothing but farmers.

Apocalypse
07-15-2009, 12:32 AM
Few things idiot.

One, your link, Graph and study is... 7 years old. I'm sure its changed some as Cal. will be high now.

Two understand what affects the outcome in this.

From the site that did the survey.


What affects the rankings?
One factor affecting rankings is that federal spending on defense and other procurement dollars are often funneled to the states of powerful members of congress. Also, state governments can grab more federal grant money by manipulating their spending to comply with federal regulations.



Another factor is demography. States with more residents on Social Security, Medicare and other federal entitlements tend to rank high. Similarly, high spending levels in Virginia, Maryland and the District of Columbia are explained by the predominance of federal employees.



Finally, states with higher incomes per capita—such as Connecticut—pay higher federal taxes per capita thanks to the income tax's progressive structure, which increases federal taxes per dollar of federal spending received in return.

Also.

1. D.C. ($6.17)
Federal employees, black poverty, and Congressional self-pork (improving their own working neighborhood.) Deep blue.

2. North Dakota ($2.03)
Sparsely populated, with military bases and missile silos. Having a missile silo upwind or an Air Force base in the next county is not "feeding at the public trough." Yes, locals like bases because they help the economy, but the bulk of those massive military dollars do not reach the community (see missile silos, for instance), and the bulk of the benefits are shared by the entire nation. An Air Force base is different from local poverty payments or a billion dollar transit system, when it comes to benefiting the state residents. Possibly a larger proportion of retired people than elsewhere.

3. New Mexico ($1.89)
Evenly split red-blue. Military expenditures, and Indian reservations. Those Indians aren't "Red", and it may be that the "Reds" in NM are subsidizing the "blues." Note that on the military issue, they may be putting military bases in red states as a "pork" preference", but odds are that urban (blue) states can't fit them, or don't want them, and that putting a base anywhere causes the state to become more red, which is very different that saying that red states are feeding at the public trough (unless the law profs think that military personnel are trough feeders.) County data would be much more useful here. Incidentally, when the liberals spend federal money to environmentally control forest and other federal land in a state that opposes such control, is that really “trough feeding”?

4. Mississippi ($1.84)
A red state with large areas of poor black "blue" voters. Red tax payments providing subsidies to blue? Only local or county data can tell. Plus military.

5. Alaska ($1.82)
Sparse population, military expenditures, and an oddball.

6. West Virginia ($1.74)
"Ladies and Gentlemen, the Honorable Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV)."

7. Montana ($1.64)
See ND.

8. Alabama ($1.61)
See MS

9. South Dakota ($1.59)
See ND, and consider the Honorable Thomas Daschle (D-SD)

10. Arkansas ($1.53)
See MS

Of the above, I find one or two obvious cases of political pork, and that is due to the pull of a powerful Democrat.

marinejcksn
07-15-2009, 08:20 PM
So you think we should let the red states just fail and collapse?

Abso-freakin'-lutely. ANY state (regardless of Left / Right leanings) that can't handle it's budget deserves to crash and burn. The Free People who reside in the productive states have no responsibility WHATSOEVER to the States who routinely piss money away on failed ideas (mostly Progressive ideas, mind you) like Medicare and Welfare.

By the way, thanks for including my home state of Pennsylvania among the list of Socialism gobblers. It certainly is a tax and spend money waster (and Gov. Spendell will never get a damn budget approved) but MAN, what a red state we are!:rolleyes:

enslaved1
07-15-2009, 11:50 PM
Just out of curiosity, and since Mr. Hit and Run has struck again, I take it from his changed subheading that it's been determined that satanica is not Supercrash, but this Blarch, or are they one and the same?

lacarnut
07-16-2009, 02:37 AM
So you think we should let the BLUE states just fail and collapse ?

.

Yep, no bailout money for you.

Fixed