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ralph wiggum
07-09-2008, 12:46 AM
Cyrano(1000+ posts)
Tue Jul-08-08 05:50 PM
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Wingnut "loses it" in public (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3582833)

Edited on Tue Jul-08-08 06:14 PM by Cyrano
So I was picking up a prescription today and there were a lot of people on line. Some guy near me shook his head and said, "Jeez, if we have to wait much longer, Bush might just grow a brain."

Hearing his remark, an elderly, wingnut woman went berserk and screamed at him: "That's our president you're talking about. How dare you! How dare you speak about our president that way?"

The entire place went very silent and everyone looked at her like she was insane. (But then anyone who still backs Bush might very well be bordering on insanity.)

She looked around at everyone who was looking at her. "What's wrong with you people?" she said. "What ever happened to respect?" She then shut up and stared straight ahead with what I read as a look of pride at having set us all in our place.

The irony came about a minute later when another woman at the counter was told that her prescription was $312. She looked shocked and said, "Is that right? I can't afford that."

The pharmacist said that he'd double checked it and it was correct. She asked if she could pay it off, but the pharmacist sadly shook his head. She left without her prescription.

A few people turned to look at the wingnut, but she seemed to have missed the irony.

One half of a bong. At least the DUmmy Cyrano used the perfect opener "So...." to start the bouncy tale.

FDK
07-09-2008, 01:31 AM
Right you are. All that gets is 1/2 bong for starting with "So." If a $312 dollar med bill doesn't convert you into a lifelong Demo, what will? :rolleyes:

FlaGator
07-09-2008, 07:43 AM
"I was pumping gas at the service station when I commented to myself at the top of my lungs how gas would be free if Obama were already President when this wingnut had a fit and told me that it I would still have to pay for gas no matter who's in the white house. Everyone else heard the wingnut's outrageous lie and sprayed him with their gas hoses and then set him on fire. He changed his voting preference to democratic right before he became a pile of bone and ashes. At least he can still vote for Obama this November."

Constitutionally Speaking
07-09-2008, 08:22 AM
The irony came about a minute later when another woman at the counter was told that her prescription was $312. She looked shocked and said, "Is that right? I can't afford that."

The pharmacist said that he'd double checked it and it was correct. She asked if she could pay it off, but the pharmacist sadly shook his head. She left without her prescription.

A few people turned to look at the wingnut, but she seemed to have missed the irony.

And Bush is responsible for this HOW???? These idiots assume the Presidency is an omnipotent position. They THEN will make the absolute GIANT leap into saying nationalized healthcare is the answer. They don't realize that Canada's drug costs are subsidized BY US because they have nationalized healthcare. We pay for Canada drug costs because the companies would not make those drugs at the price that Canada forced on them. The companies would cease to exist - or they would simply stop making those drugs OR stop providing them to Canada altogether.

AmPat
07-09-2008, 08:44 AM
And Bush is responsible for this HOW???? These idiots assume the Presidency is an omnipotent position. They THEN will make the absolute GIANT leap into saying nationalized healthcare is the answer. They don't realize that Canada's drug costs are subsidized BY US because they have nationalized healthcare. We pay for Canada drug costs because the companies would not make those drugs at the price that Canada forced on them. The companies would cease to exist - or they would simply stop making those drugs OR stop providing them to Canada altogether.

The simple DUmmy/Liberal answerfor this scenario is to Nationalize the drug industry.
Come on, where's your common sense?:rolleyes:

Defiant1
07-09-2008, 10:16 AM
I may know that woman.

BSR
07-09-2008, 10:59 AM
So I was walking through the parkng lot of Top Foods and see a hefty lady with 20 bumper stickers on her car (Queer loving, Republican bashing, yadda, yadda) putting her groceries in her car. As I walk by I begin to laugh. She says "I dont know what your laughing about" and I said "All your bumperstickers" She says "Thank you" I said "It wasnt a compliment, I'm laughing at how stupid they look". Nothing more was said between usr althought my wife was horrified that I did that and let me know about it in the store.

I did have a monster margarita at dinner and the filter from my brain to my mouth was a bit clogged.

jinxmchue
07-09-2008, 12:14 PM
Did the woman's prescription have to be shipped in from Venus? $312 is b.s.

LibraryLady
07-09-2008, 12:21 PM
Did the woman's prescription have to be shipped in from Venus? $312 is b.s.


Here is the cost of one of my meds - per month



Avonex (Biogen)

Product Code: RX-25744

Retail Price: $3,299.56
Price: $2,869.19

Luckily I have wonderful insurance. I pay 9$

ConJinx
07-09-2008, 12:39 PM
So yesterday I went to my family doc for script refills. she cut me 90 oxycodones, 90 somas, and because I was being a smart ass she gave me a script for Viagra with 2 refills. Went to my faithful CVS and dropped them off. An hour later after I languished in the Publix next door I picked up my Rx and paid a whopping $21. My wife laughed about the Viagra, but I told her to mention we had blue Genies for sale to the gay guys she works with. Being log cabin republicans I'd only charge them $5 a pill. Sold out in 5 minutes and after it was all said and done, I came out on top(pun intended) $9 in profit.

LogansPapa
07-09-2008, 12:50 PM
Did the woman's prescription have to be shipped in from Venus? $312 is b.s.

Hmmmmmmm. You've never known anyone with cancer, huh?:rolleyes:

MrsSmith
07-09-2008, 07:56 PM
No wingnut would pay over $300 for a scrip... we're smart enough to ask Doc for something generic. Our doctors are really good by now, they don't even suggest the latest high dollar fad, they just call in the old reliable. :D

Doc Savage
07-09-2008, 10:24 PM
Folks with medicare get in what is called the "doughnut hole". We see it every day in home care. THey are covered from 0 to say 4K depending on thier plan. From 4K to 7 K they are responsible for at least 80%. After they reach 7K it goes back to a co-pay. It also depends on if the drug is on the covered list.

Just the other day we had a patient that needed 1gm of Azactam IV for 10m days. When we ran their insurance, it ended up that they would be responsible for $580 just for that drug. It seems that Azactam is not on the formulary for the plan that they have.

It sucks, but that is the fine plan that the congress of this US passed as medicare reform.

AmPat
07-09-2008, 11:01 PM
Folks with medicare ...

It sucks, but that is the fine plan that the congress of this US passed as medicare reform.

Are you trying to tell us that a government program is totally screwed up? No way! According to the Libiots and DUmmycRATS, government is the answer to all our woes.:rolleyes:

Doc Savage
07-10-2008, 07:55 AM
Are you trying to tell us that a government program is totally screwed up? No way! According to the Libiots and DUmmycRATS, government is the answer to all our woes.:rolleyes:

DING DING DING DING......

Patients get discharged all the time to home with home IV orders every day. Some of the plans will pay for the drugs but not the supplies that are needed to infuse the drug. We can do it for a patient for 25-40 bucks a day (different lines cost different amounts) per day. If the patient cannot pay that, they can go to the hospital every day to be infused. The hospital will charge a minimum of 300 to the govt per infusion. They also can bill a Q code for the infusion suite. What a deal. How would you like to trudge to the hospital (in rural kansas that can be a very long way away) 2 or 3 times a day. At the cost for us 25-40 we are breaking even, give us 75 -100 per day and we are in high cotton, even able to cover shipping costs. And, we save all of us tax payers money.

Health care is a mess, and it is only going to get a lot worse!!!!

Constitutionally Speaking
07-10-2008, 08:06 AM
DING DING DING DING......

Patients get discharged all the time to home with home IV orders every day. Some of the plans will pay for the drugs but not the supplies that are needed to infuse the drug. We can do it for a patient for 25-40 bucks a day (different lines cost different amounts) per day. If the patient cannot pay that, they can go to the hospital every day to be infused. The hospital will charge a minimum of 300 to the govt per infusion. They also can bill a Q code for the infusion suite. What a deal. How would you like to trudge to the hospital (in rural kansas that can be a very long way away) 2 or 3 times a day. At the cost for us 25-40 we are breaking even, give us 75 -100 per day and we are in high cotton, even able to cover shipping costs. And, we save all of us tax payers money.

Health care is a mess, and it is only going to get a lot worse!!!!


Sounds like the INDIVIDUAL CONSUMERS have been removed from their role as comparative shoppers. Those affected by the decisions are far removed from the decisions themselves. How is MORE bureaucracy especially govt. bureaucracy going to help this???


It won't.

The ONLY way to solve the healthcare problems we have is to let each individual look for the best plan that suits their own personal needs.

Take the employers out of the equation and especially take the govt. out of the equation. You would have to do it gradually but it must be done.

marinejcksn
07-10-2008, 08:13 AM
Wait.....Bush runs the pharmaceutical industry? Oh the Humanity!:eek:

MrsSmith
07-10-2008, 07:42 PM
Sounds like the INDIVIDUAL CONSUMERS have been removed from their role as comparative shoppers. Those affected by the decisions are far removed from the decisions themselves. How is MORE bureaucracy especially govt. bureaucracy going to help this???


It won't.

The ONLY way to solve the healthcare problems we have is to let each individual look for the best plan that suits their own personal needs.

Take the employers out of the equation and especially take the govt. out of the equation. You would have to do it gradually but it must be done.

As I mentioned above, my doctors look for the generic first thing...now. It took me nearly 3 years to get that done. Every single scrip, I'd mention, "My insurance covers __________. Do you know what this will cost and if there is a generic?" Almost every time, my doctor changed the scrip. I can recall one time in the last 6 years when my kid needed a medication that could not be replaced with a generic that would do the job just fine.

So why do the doctors write the scrips for the fancy new stuff?? Because the patients generally don't care, most don't pay for their meds, anyway. If the insurance company covers med for a $25 co-pay, the patient doesn't even know that they're spending $300 to take care of an infection that $4 of penicillin could cure. Then we wonder why insurance costs so much... :rolleyes:

Doc Savage
07-10-2008, 08:31 PM
A.

So why do the doctors write the scrips for the fancy new stuff?? Because the patients generally don't care, most don't pay for their meds, anyway. If the insurance company covers med for a $25 co-pay, the patient doesn't even know that they're spending $300 to take care of an infection that $4 of penicillin could cure. Then we wonder why insurance costs so much... :rolleyes:

Doc write for the new stuff because drug reps take them to dinner, baseball games, have hospitality suites at conferences, give stuff out like pens, pads, SAMPLES, SAMPLES, SAMPLES. Reps don't come into our pharmacy, my boss tears them a new one over the costs.

And here is another little tid bit. Merck ownes a huge mail in pharmacy. This mail in pharmacy has contracts with some of the larger insurance plans in the country. If you get a script written for somthing that is made by Merck, the pharmacy fills it at a significant cost savings to the pharmacy, but the pharmacy charges the insurance company regular AWP -10 plus a filling fee. The insurance company spends the same no matter where it is filled, the patient pays the same co-pay no matter where it is filled, but Merck and the Pharmacy make money because they control the product. And FYI, Merck is not the only pharmaceutical company that does that. CVS also has a deal like this set up.

And if you want to start talking about speciality drugs, (high dollar, orphan drugs, derived from blood products). the way that the producers control those products and how much they cost will make your blood boil.

lacarnut
07-10-2008, 08:38 PM
Folks with medicare get in what is called the "doughnut hole". We see it every day in home care. THey are covered from 0 to say 4K depending on thier plan. From 4K to 7 K they are responsible for at least 80%. After they reach 7K it goes back to a co-pay. It also depends on if the drug is on the covered list.

Just the other day we had a patient that needed 1gm of Azactam IV for 10m days. When we ran their insurance, it ended up that they would be responsible for $580 just for that drug. It seems that Azactam is not on the formulary for the plan that they have.

It sucks, but that is the fine plan that the congress of this US passed as medicare reform.

There is nothing wrong with the plan. People have to make the right decisions. The doughnut hole starts at $2,500 and ends at $5,700. The basic plan that cost around 30 bucks a month for Medicare Part D covers RX at a reduced cost up to $2,500. After that, they pay 100% of their RX between those two amounts which is referred to as the doughnut hole. Then catastrophic coverage kicks in and they begin to once again get their RX at a reduced cost.

If someone RX bills run 800 bucks a month, they would come out ahead by taking out a supplemental policy for another 30 or 40 bucks which would cover the doughnut hole. For example, they would hit the doughnut hole in a around 3 months. So they would be much better off taking out a supplemental policy to avoid that $4200 (doughnut hole) of RX.

The media and liberals lie so much about the Medicare Part D RX plan. The government has forced big pharma from gouging Americans because of this plan. You do not see people going to Canada and Mexico to get their drugs because you can get them just as cheap here. Prior to this plan, the pharma companies would sell the same drugs cheaper to foreign countries; so in essence Americans were subsidizing the damn foreigners.

Constitutionally Speaking
07-10-2008, 09:04 PM
As I mentioned above, my doctors look for the generic first thing...now. It took me nearly 3 years to get that done. Every single scrip, I'd mention, "My insurance covers __________. Do you know what this will cost and if there is a generic?" Almost every time, my doctor changed the scrip. I can recall one time in the last 6 years when my kid needed a medication that could not be replaced with a generic that would do the job just fine.

So why do the doctors write the scrips for the fancy new stuff?? Because the patients generally don't care, most don't pay for their meds, anyway. If the insurance company covers med for a $25 co-pay, the patient doesn't even know that they're spending $300 to take care of an infection that $4 of penicillin could cure. Then we wonder why insurance costs so much... :rolleyes:


That is part of the reason. Another reason is that companies are required to carry certain expensive coverages that no one uses. Illigitimate lawsuits raise the cost of malpractice insurance and this factor alone has driven a huge percentage of OBGYN specialists out of the practice - which drives up the cost of health insurance. But far and away the major reason is the consumer has been removed from the critical role of comparative shopper.

MrsSmith
07-10-2008, 10:41 PM
That is part of the reason. Another reason is that companies are required to carry certain expensive coverages that no one uses. Illigitimate lawsuits raise the cost of malpractice insurance and this factor alone has driven a huge percentage of OBGYN specialists out of the practice - which drives up the cost of health insurance. But far and away the major reason is the consumer has been removed from the critical role of comparative shopper.

You have that right. The threat of law suits hangs over healthcare like an axe.

On the other hand, being on the safety end of things, I actually use that threat. :o When I'm dealing with someone who just doesn't care, the reminder that his/her name could be on any law suit can definitely add some incentive.

LibraryLady
07-10-2008, 10:56 PM
And drug companies make stuff "new and improved' to stay ahead of the generics.

When I go to my primary care doc, there are always some well dressed pushers with their fancy rolling brief cases. Look around for all the Kleenex boxes, clocks, pens, and other goodies with Cialis or Prilosec on them.

marinejcksn
07-11-2008, 12:57 AM
And drug companies make stuff "new and improved' to stay ahead of the generics.

When I go to my primary care doc, there are always some well dressed pushers with their fancy rolling brief cases. Look around for all the Kleenex boxes, clocks, pens, and other goodies with Cialis or Prilosec on them.

Be nice, my uncle works as a rep for Merck. :D
Can't tell you how many Nasonex and Claritin pens & office supplies I had during high school.:cool: