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SarasotaRepub
07-17-2009, 08:21 PM
Just heard on Fox. No link yet.

Rockntractor
07-17-2009, 08:24 PM
Just heard on Fox. No link yet.

Now jane Fonda can put on a t-shirt with his picture.

AlmostThere
07-17-2009, 08:31 PM
Liberal, conservative, whatever; he was a great newsman.

Rockntractor
07-17-2009, 08:34 PM
Communist!

Lars1701a
07-17-2009, 08:37 PM
Liberal, conservative, whatever; he was a great newsman.

No he had a big part in turning the public against the Vietnam war(durning the tet offensive) and help turn a ass kicking into a loss.


Make no mistakes he was no conservative by any stretch of the imagination.


The mark of a good newsmen is not to shape the news but to report it.

Rockntractor
07-17-2009, 08:39 PM
He was part of the reason our servicemen got the home coming they did.

AlmostThere
07-17-2009, 09:10 PM
He was part of the reason our servicemen got the home coming they did.

What do you base that on? I watched the war on TV every night at dinner like everybody else. Cronkite didn't cost us that war. Our leaders did. Our leaders were willing to fight that war as a war of attrition. We were not going to beat the NV fighting a war of attrition. We lost 56 thousand troops. We could have lost 156,00 troops and we weren't going to beat North Vietnam. We didn't have the balls to do what was necessary to win. Don't blame Cronkite. Blame the assholes who were willing to send 10's of thousands of Americans to die in a war they, as leaders, were afraid to fight. If you're gonna send an American to fight, you better damn sure plan on inflicting as much damage on the enemy as it takes to win decisively.

Rockntractor
07-17-2009, 09:32 PM
His little anti-war America cannot win speeches while or men were fighting and dieing influenced the entire country. One of the reasons our politicians pulled their support for the war was because of anti-war sentiment that he stirred up. He started a trend where media no longer supported their leaders in time of war that lasts to this day.

Rockntractor
07-17-2009, 09:36 PM
Is It Possible, Could America Have Won the Vietnam War In '1968?
Article by: Gene Kuentzler '1999 ^ | 3/17/02 | Gene Kuentzler

Posted on 3/17/2002 2:25:49 PM by Mom_Grandmother

Is It Possible, Could America Have Won the Vietnam War In '1968?


By '1968, North Vietnamese morale was at it's lowest point ever. The plans for "Tet" '68 was their last desperate attempt to achieve a success, in an effort to boost the NVA morale. When it was over, General Giap (Senior General Vo Njuyen Giap) and NVA viewed the Tet '68 offensive as a "failure", they were on their knees and had prepared to negotiate a "surrender."


At the time, there were fewer than 10,000 U.S. casualties, the Vietnam War was about to end, as the NVA was prepared to accept their defeat. Then, they heard "Walter Cronkite" (former CBS News anchor and correspondent) on TV proclaiming the success of the Tet '68 offensive by the NVA. They were completely and totall amazed at hearing tha the US Embassy had been overrun. In reality, the NVA had not gained access to the Embassy--there were some VC who had been killed on the grassy lawn, but they hadn't gained access. Further reports indicated that riots and protesting on the streets of America.


According to General Giap, these distorted reports were insperational to the NVA. They changed their plans from a negotiated surrender and decided instead, they only needed to persevere for one more hour, day, week, month, eventually the protesters in America would help them to achieve a victory they knew they could not win on the battlefield.


Remember, this decision was made at a time when the U.S. casualties were fewer than 10,000, at the end of '1967, beginning of '1968. Today, there were 58,000 names on the Vietnam Wall Memorial that was built with the donations made by the American public.


Although General Giap did not mention each and every protester's name in his book, many of us will never forget the 58,000 names on the Wall. We will also never forget that names of those who helped in placing those additional 48,000 names there: Jane Fonda, Tom Hayden, Walter Cronkite, and other's.


Gene Kuentzler, '66-67, S-3 Operations 19th Combat Engineer Battalion
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/648235/posts

Rockntractor
07-17-2009, 09:41 PM
After watching Walter Cronkite's coverage of the Vietnam War in December 1972, Reagan said, "under World War II circumstances, the network (CBS) would have been charged with treason."
http://home.earthlink.net/~mmmhiggins/Reagan.html

Rockntractor
07-17-2009, 09:45 PM
Cronkite strongly influenced the politics and outcome of the Vietnam War. In 1968 the Communist forces in South Vietnam, facing defeat, staged massive kamikaze attacks on U.S. positions in Saigon and elsewhere during the Chinese New Year celebration called Tet. This suicidal "Tet Offensive" was a military disaster that cost the lives of 100 Communist fighters for every American killed. But as a top Communist general said years later on the Public Broadcasting Service documentary series Vietnam, those on the left in the American press turned this Marxist military defeat into a political victory for the Communist side.

"It seems now more certain than ever," Walter Cronkite told his audience in a de facto editorial, "that the bloody experience of Vietnam is a stalemate" and that the war was "unwinnable." Cronkite's statement and call for U.S. withdrawal helped turn public opinion against the war. It also demoralized American troops and Democratic President Lyndon Johnson, who was said to have declared that losing Cronkite’s support meant he had lost the backing of Middle America.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1795

SarasotaRepub
07-17-2009, 09:55 PM
I trusted Cronkite whenever and whatever he said.

Then I grew up.

AlmostThere
07-17-2009, 10:06 PM
This is a copy/paste from Wiki but I imagine it's fairly accurate.


He became one of the top American reporters in World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II), covering battles in North Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_African_campaign) and Europe. He was one of eight journalists selected by the U.S. Army Air Forces to fly bombing raids over Germany in a B-17 Flying Fortress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-17_Flying_Fortress).[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Cronkite#cite_note-8) He also landed in a glider with the 101st Airborne (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/101st_Airborne) in Operation Market-Garden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Market-Garden) and covered the Battle of the Bulge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Bulge). After the war, he covered the Nuremberg trials (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_trials), and served as the United Press main reporter in Moscow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow) for two years.Doesn't exactly sound like a peacenik.

I think the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki hurt America as much, in not more, than Japan. It seems to me that from the moment those cities were destroyed, America was afraid to do what was necessary to win a war. By 1972 we'd lost how many thousands of troops? And in Dec, 1972 we finally execute 2 bombing operations, Linebacker and Linebacker II which supposedly will bring an end to the war and the operations totaled less than 2 weeks. When that didn't win it, Nixon had no idea what to do. Instead of sending thousands to die there, why didn't he just level North Vietnam? Turn it into a fucking parking lot.

Before Hiroshima and Nagasaki, American leaders were more worried about American casualties than how many of the enemy we killed. Hiroshima and Nagasaki made us gun shy. It seems American leaders figured that if it took thousands of American deaths to just get the enemy tired of fighting, that was OK. As a veteran, a father of a teenage son and as an American, I say that if you are not going to fight to win, damn it, don't fight.

SaintLouieWoman
07-17-2009, 10:15 PM
Interesting that Fox has been carrying this ad nauseum. I turned on NBC earlier and nothing, ditto CBS. Can you imagine one of the networks giving any type of coverage to a conservative?

AlmostThere
07-17-2009, 10:21 PM
Somebody should tell Bush that since the media turned against him, he should have tucked his tail between his legs, run home and blamed those evil media people for losing the war.

marv
07-17-2009, 10:48 PM
Never was a Cronkite fan, however I did go to school with his nephew. His nephew was a prety good kid, though.

Apocalypse
07-17-2009, 10:52 PM
Guys love him or hate him lets not do as liberals would do and say hateful things about his passing as they continue to do with Tony Snow. Lets show some respect for him and his family in his passing.

Rest in peace and my condolences to your family.

Shannon
07-17-2009, 11:15 PM
Guys love him or hate him lets not do as liberals would do and say hateful things about his passing as they continue to do with Tony Snow. Lets show some respect for him and his family in his passing.

Rest in peace and my condolences to your family.

Why? He was a friggin commie. My father spent two years in Vietnam. Fuck Cronkite.

Apocalypse
07-17-2009, 11:36 PM
Why? He was a friggin commie. My father spent two years in Vietnam. Fuck Cronkite.
My uncle spent several years in Nam as well, and didn't return in quite the right state of mind as when he left due to what he had to deal with there.

But in that, should we stoop to the same level as liberals and spew hate about some one who just lost his life like they do to Snow or others they don't like or are we better then that/them in not doing that?

I personal can't stand Jane Fonda for all she had done, but when the time comes for her, I'll still offer my condolences and respect the woman for losing her life, even if I still never have respect for what she did.

Respect person for the lose of life, even if you don't respect what they did.

Shannon
07-17-2009, 11:42 PM
My uncle spent several years in Nam as well, and didn't return in quite the right state of mind as when he left due to what he had to deal with there.

But in that, should we stoop to the same level as liberals and spew hate about some one who just lost his life like they do to Snow or others they don't like or are we better then that/them in not doing that?

I personal can't stand Jane Fonda for all she had done, but when the time comes for her, I'll still offer my condolences and respect the woman for losing her life, even if I still never have respect for what she did.

Respect person for the lose of life, even if you don't respect what they did.

You are a better person than I am. Fonda should have been drawn and quartered for treason.

Snow never did anything treasonous.

marinejcksn
07-17-2009, 11:55 PM
I (& I'm sure, my generation also) was too young to remember Cronkite that vividly, but I do wish his family warm regards and I'm sorry for their loss. Conservative (from what I've heard, nope:(); Liberal, or whatever, he touched a lot of people's lives and I'm sure he meant a lot to his family. I just hope he's in a better place with Jesus now and without pain. RIP and God Bless.

lacarnut
07-17-2009, 11:55 PM
His little anti-war America cannot win speeches while or men were fighting and dieing influenced the entire country. One of the reasons our politicians pulled their support for the war was because of anti-war sentiment that he stirred up. He started a trend where media no longer supported their leaders in time of war that lasts to this day.

Agree. I put him in the same category as Hanoi Jane. Both anti-war commie sympathizers.

marinejcksn
07-18-2009, 12:16 AM
I don't want to change the subject either, but now that we're pondering the lives of people slightly older than myself, I have to ask the learned folks of this site one question:

Was Hevry Kissenger a good man? I really don't remember hearing all that much about him other than that he was in the Administration of the pathalogical liar known as Nixon and that he felt he leaned towards the Right but was against the Classical Liberalism of Laissez-faire, which is my prefered method of politics. Can anyone shed some light on this subject? Create another thread and bump if you need. THANKS! :D

Rockntractor
07-18-2009, 12:19 AM
I don't want to change the subject either, but now that we're pondering the lives of people slightly older than myself, I have to ask the learned folks of this site one question:

Was Hevry Kissenger a good man? I really don't remember hearing all that much about him other than that he was in the Administration of the pathalogical liar known as Nixon and that he felt he leaned towards the Right but was against the Classical Liberalism of Laissez-faire, which is my prefered method of politics. Can anyone shed some light on this subject? Create another thread and bump if you need. THANKS! :D

I'll let gator have this one!

AlmostThere
07-18-2009, 01:17 AM
I don't want to change the subject either, but now that we're pondering the lives of people slightly older than myself, I have to ask the learned folks of this site one question:

Was Hevry Kissenger a good man? I really don't remember hearing all that much about him other than that he was in the Administration of the pathalogical liar known as Nixon and that he felt he leaned towards the Right but was against the Classical Liberalism of Laissez-faire, which is my prefered method of politics. Can anyone shed some light on this subject? Create another thread and bump if you need. THANKS! :D

Here's 60 seconds that sum up Kissinger's worldview pretty well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SISUIhprOa8

PoliCon
07-18-2009, 01:51 AM
Walter Cronkite made the journalism of today possible. He showed a whole generation how to poison the news and have people come back begging for more.

marinejcksn
07-18-2009, 03:41 AM
Here's 60 seconds that sum up Kissinger's worldview pretty well.

Was he seriously talking about the New World Order bullcrap in there? :rolleyes:

The only NWO I look forward to is:

http://www.wrestlingwiththetruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/nwo-001.jpg

:D

linda22003
07-18-2009, 08:17 AM
I grew up with Cronkite. His voice, after those of my parents, is the most familiar one in my life. :)

Those of you who are sniping at him for one evening's broadcast out of a decades-long career, don't remember him. He was at the Normandy landing. He broadcast Kennedy's assassination (which I remember seeing, since I was home that day from school). He covered the space program with solid information along with real enthusiasm.

Those of you who are focusing on his broadcast on Vietnam (which he didn't "lose" for us, he was merely pointing out what a lot of people, including our Dem leaders, already knew), are showing what happens when people become part of a "sound bite" society and just have a knee-jerk reaction to a few minutes of film.

Sonnabend
07-18-2009, 08:48 AM
which he didn't "lose" for us, he was merely pointing out what a lot of people, including our Dem leaders, already knew

The loss was political, not military. Militarily we had won.

linda22003
07-18-2009, 09:27 AM
I agree the loss was primarily political. It didn't happen in one night on CBS.

lacarnut
07-18-2009, 12:09 PM
I agree the loss was primarily political. It didn't happen in one night on CBS.

He sure as hell did his share of piling on.

Rockntractor
07-18-2009, 12:13 PM
He sure as hell did his share of piling on.

If some of these people lived through his career and heard him day after day and still think he was harmless they are not going to be convinced by a couple of posts that cronkite was not harmless. Save your breath. Hero worship is a strange thing!

lacarnut
07-18-2009, 12:17 PM
If some of these people lived through his career and heard him day after day and still think he was harmless they are not going to be convinced by a couple of posts that cronkite was not harmless. Save your breath. Hero worship is a strange thing!

Right. The SOB even piled on after the war and did not give the V.N. Vets a warm welcome home. He was a pile of shit in my opinion.

PoliCon
07-18-2009, 12:25 PM
Those of you who are focusing on his broadcast on Vietnam (which he didn't "lose" for us, he was merely pointing out what a lot of people, including our Dem leaders, already knew), are showing what happens when people become part of a "sound bite" society and just have a knee-jerk reaction to a few minutes of film.


The viet cong see it differently.

Rockntractor
07-18-2009, 12:29 PM
Right. The SOB even piled on after the war and did not give the V.N. Vets a warm welcome home. He was a pile of shit in my opinion.

People can be very selective with what they choose to see or remember. That is why our news media is so dangerous today. If you continue to say something often enough people beleive it and facts just get in the way. People will continue to believe what they want to and as long as they do we will have leaders that easely lie their way into office . Like Obama!

linda22003
07-18-2009, 12:38 PM
The viet cong see it differently.

I have not surveyed them as thoroughly as you have.

lacarnut
07-18-2009, 12:43 PM
People can be very selective with what they choose to see or remember. That is why our news media is so dangerous today. If you continue to say something often enough people beleive it and facts just get in the way. People will continue to believe what they want to and as long as they do we will have leaders that easely lie their way into office . Like Obama!

The stupid is strong in those that fall for smooth talkers like Peter Jennings, Cronkite, Clinton & Obama.

Rockntractor
07-18-2009, 12:48 PM
The stupid is strong in those that fall for smooth talkers like Peter Jennings, Cronkite, Clinton & Obama.

I won't go as far as to call them stupid. They grew up with these people and listened to them daily. It is easy to develop a sort of blind trust that way. I am going to quit right here .I don't want to make anyone mad. My view of Cronkite is clear.

PoliCon
07-18-2009, 12:54 PM
I have not surveyed them as thoroughly as you have.

http://www.veteransforvictory.com/letter-don-lester.php

http://www.mrc.org/Profiles/cronkite/welcome.asp

http://newsbusters.org/node/2980

The information is out there. Cronkite had a way of delivering the news that absorbed people - he also had a way of poisoning stories so that you could think he was being objective when he was not.

lacarnut
07-18-2009, 01:03 PM
http://www.veteransforvictory.com/letter-don-lester.php

http://www.mrc.org/Profiles/cronkite/welcome.asp

http://newsbusters.org/node/2980

The information is out there. Cronkite had a way of delivering the news that absorbed people - he also had a way of poisoning stories so that you could think he was being objective when he was not.

Some people are just too stupid to realize that he was a flaming liberal who did a great deal of harm.

Nubs
07-18-2009, 06:32 PM
With his comments obout the Tet Offensive, he failed in his duty as the impartial journalist he is being eulogiused.

He failed in reporting the abject military failure of the Viet Cong. 60,000 VC were killed during the 4 week offensive.

He failed to report the 6,000 civilians in Hue summarily executed. This is an exploit that exceeds some of the single city exploits of the Einsatz Gruupen in WWII.

He gave an ill informed unsubstantiated emotional opinion of events in his local vicinity and transposed it to the entire theatre as a whole.

His opinion seved to validate demonstrable fallicies in the antiwar movement.