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Elspeth
07-22-2009, 02:11 PM
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1186381&srvc=rss


Henry Louis Gates Jr. demands apology, sensitivity training

Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. won’t rule out a lawsuit against the city of Cambridge, insisting not only that the cop who arrested him on a disorderly charge apologize but that the entire police force submit to sensitivity training, his lawyer told the Herald yesterday.

The demands came just hours after a mutual announcement by the city and Gates that the charge was being dismissed - with agreement Thursday’s incident was “regrettable and unfortunate” but that there had been a “just resolution.” The agreement made no mention of an apology or retraining.

Harvard Law professor Charles Ogletree, who is representing Gates, said the scholar remains upset about what happened, however, when he was first mistaken for a burglary suspect in his own home, and then arrested after allegedly shouting accusations of racism at the police officer.

“He’s still going through the shock of what happened,” he said. “It’s not easy for anyone to get over it and pretend it didn’t happen. He is pleased the charges were dismissed and very hopeful we can work constructively to address how police conduct themselves.”

Asked whether Gates was considering a lawsuit, Ogletree said, “That is to be determined.”

“I think the first step is . . . an apology,” he said.

Sgt. James Crowley could not be reached yesterday. Cambridge police, union and city officials refused to discuss the demands.

Of the demand for sensitivity training, Ogletree said, “We just need to find a way to re-establish that regular routine of engagement and dialogue with police. I see it as an opportunity to address some of the complex issues surrounding (the case).”

Yesterday’s agreement was issued by the city after Middlesex District Attorney Gerard T. Leone Jr., recognizing the situation was escalating into a powder keg, entreated Police Commissioner Robert Haas and Gates’ attorney Walter Prince to meet and resolve their differences Monday. They did, and emerged yesterday with police recommending the charge of disorderly conduct against Gates be dropped. That led to the joint statement. Leone declined to comment last night on Gates’ apparently new demands.

Meanwhile, Ogletree, who is director of the Charles Hamilton Houston Institute for Race and Justice at Harvard Law School, said he had discussed the matter with local police, the Middlesex DA’s office, the governor, the mayor of Cambridge and city councilors - and said all agreed to help turn the incident into a “teaching moment.”

Before news of Gates’ demands broke, Cambridge Mayor E. Denise Simmons said, “The incident did illustrate that Cambridge must continue finding ways to address matters of race and class in a frank, honest and productive manner.” Meanwhile, Gov. Deval Patrick, a friend of Gates, said, “It sounds like an amicable resolution.” Patrick declined to comment on Gates’ subsequent demands, saying, “Ask him about that.”

Meanwhile, in online interviews, Gates said that claims that he was publicly yelling at Sgt. Crowley are false, and that with a bronchial infection, he was not capable of shouting, a claim repeated to the Herald by Ogletree. Crowley’s report said Gates had refused to show his ID, which Gates also has denied.

A 55-year-old neighbor who said he witnessed the incident but declined to give his name, however, said that Gates was in fact yelling loudly, as indicated by a photo taken by another neighbor.

“When police asked him for ID, Gates started yelling, ‘I’m a Harvard professor . . . You believe white women over black men. This is racial profiling.’ ”

“The police did their job,” said the neighbor. “He should be thanking them. But they shouldn’t have arrested him. He had just gotten off a 20-hour flight. He couldn’t get his door open. He got frustrated . . . They should have just said forget it.”

Elspeth
07-22-2009, 02:13 PM
Why I don't feel sorry for Henry Louis Gates

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32085686/ns/us_news-race_and_ethnicity/

COMMENTARY
By Dr. Boyce Watkins
The Grio
updated 1 hour, 22 minutes ago




..I might be kicked out of "The Black scholars club" for saying this, but the truth is that I don't feel sorry for Henry Louis Gates. America is far more capitalist than it is racist, so a distinguished Harvard University Professor like Gates is likely to get more respect than the average White American. The idea that he is somehow the victim of the same racism that sends poor Black men to prison simply doesn't fly with me, and Gates should be careful about appearing to exploit the plight of Black men across America to win his battle of egos with the Cambridge Police Department. At worst, Gates has been a victim of racial profiling by the woman who called the police, as well as the officer who may have interpreted his protests as being more belligerent than they actually were. The same thing happens to Black boys in the school system, who are suspended at astronomical rates for bad behavior. The fact that the charges have now been dropped against Gates shows that a mistake has clearly been made.

One can reasonably argue that Professor Gates would not have had this experience if he were a White woman who seemed to "belong" in the neighborhood. I've heard officers refer to the "invisible" line in our city, where the rich are protected from the poor, and those who don't seem to belong are arrested. By being Black, Gates surely crossed the invisible line in his community. However, once Gates proved to the officer that he was the owner of the home, the officer should have simply said "thank you" and left the premises.

One question that can't be answered is whether or not the officer was being verbally abused by the stereotypical Harvard arrogance of a man who felt that he was above being questioned. Dr. Gates, in all of his frustration, might have been served well to remember that the officer has a gun and that this situation could have been dealt with at a later date. Perhaps telling the officer that he "doesn't know who he's messing with" (as the officer alleges) was one way of making sure that the officer knew his place in the "Haaa-vad" (Harvard) pecking order. If that is the case, then I cannot sign off on Dr. Gates' reaction to the officer who may have been simply trying to do his job.

Basically, this situation may have been a battle of two egos: One of them from a Harvard professor who seemed to feel that he should not be disrespected by a lowly police officer; the other from an officer who seemed to feel that a powerful Black professor could be treated differently from a powerful White professor. What is abundantly clear is that this is NOT the case of a poor Black male being exploited by the racist, classist power structure. Perhaps the next time there is another Jena Six incident, Dr. Gates will fight as diligently for poor Black men as he is fighting for himself, and his fight will go beyond writing papers for academic journals that hardly anyone ever reads. I also hope that Cambridge police officers will give the same credibility to wealthy African Americans as they do to their White counterparts. This situation should never have happened.

satanica
07-22-2009, 02:14 PM
He was arrested in his house after providing ID.

The cop should be fired.

PoliCon
07-22-2009, 02:23 PM
What do you expect from a police in a democrat controlled area?

Elspeth
07-22-2009, 02:26 PM
He was arrested in his house after providing ID.



This is the only thing on which you and I have ever agreed. Once the ID was provided, the officer should have left.

And this I agree with too:


But they shouldn’t have arrested him. He had just gotten off a 20-hour flight. He couldn’t get his door open. He got frustrated. . . They should have just said forget it.”
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1186450

Elspeth
07-22-2009, 02:30 PM
Union: Cop in Gates arrest a ‘good sergeant’

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1186450


The union representing the Cambridge police officer who arrested Harvard Professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. said today that he has the union’s “full and unqualified support.”

The statement is the first comment from the Cambridge Police Superior Officers Association on behalf of Sgt. James Crowley and makes no mention of Gates’ demand that the officer apologize for the arrest.

“The Association expresses its full and unqualified support for the actions taken by Sergeant Crowley in response to the report of a possible break in at a residence on Ware Street in Cambridge,” the statement read. “Sergeant Crowley is a highly respected veteran supervisor with a distinguished record in the Cambridge Police Department. His actions at the scene of this matter were consistent with his training, with the informed policies and practices of the Department, and with applicable legal standards.”...

PoliCon
07-22-2009, 02:36 PM
Uh oh. The unions vs the race baiters - the dems have an inparty fight on their hands.

Elspeth
07-22-2009, 02:43 PM
Uh oh. The unions vs the race baiters - the dems have an inparty fight on their hands.

Yes they do. This ought to be interesting to watch. I figure the union will lose.

Elspeth
07-22-2009, 02:53 PM
I thought this comment from "The Root" was interesting:

http://www.theroot.com/views/skip-gates-speaks?page=5


An Educated Fool

I am a 61 year old educated black man who has been involved with civil rights since the early 60's. My life, from being born and raised in Harlem, has taken me to many campuses, in addition to being jailed in miserable places in the South and other parts of the country.
On campuses from Berkeley to Harvard, there are professors who have made their living studying black culture, racism, etc. The sad point is most of them, including Dr. Gates, don't have a damn clue about black people because they live in a world of academia.
Dr. Gates anger and screaming match is just his only way of trying to relate to blacks who are living the day-to-day life in the cities and streets. So Dr. Gates gets all hissy fit and starts shouting racism and creating a scene.
His type is on every campus, I have met them in the courtrooms, they shout and jump, because they think "they relate to the common black man" by doing so.
Dr. Gates makes a living by dwelling in the academic nature of racism and black studies (Whatever the heck those are). He does not live in a housing project, nor has he experienced racism first hand in Oxford, Mississippi, and instead, his relation to black experience is second-hand. And so, he feels he has to get up and shout in people's faces.
Who cares if the police came to investigate a potential break-in? If the police didn't come and he had been robbed, Dr. Gates seems like the type who would claim the police wouldn't investigate robberies at black's homes because of racism. Because he dwells in the nature of his work, he does not know real life. He is, as my Grandmother Hattie used to say, "a damn educated fool."

PoliCon
07-22-2009, 02:55 PM
I thought this comment from "The Root" was interesting:

http://www.theroot.com/views/skip-gates-speaks?page=5

good find! :)

Gingersnap
07-22-2009, 03:59 PM
The racism angle in this story is absurd - from all points of view. He wasn't questioned because he was black, he was questioned because home owners don't usually break into their own homes.

Academics constantly scream at normal people and they are ever ready to sue everyone in sight over some perceived outrage. It's tedious. Had he not been screaming and making threats, I doubt he would have been arrested since the police have better things to do.

It would have been better if the officer had just left but I can understand his probable level of frustration when dealing with screaming academics (I've witnessed it often enough).

patriot45
07-22-2009, 05:55 PM
The racism angle in this story is absurd - from all points of view. He wasn't questioned because he was black, he was questioned because home owners don't usually break into their own homes.

Academics constantly scream at normal people and they are ever ready to sue everyone in sight over some perceived outrage. It's tedious. Had he not been screaming and making threats, I doubt he would have been arrested since the police have better things to do.

It would have been better if the officer had just left but I can understand his probable level of frustration when dealing with screaming academics (I've witnessed it often enough).

He acted like a jackass! But don't worry I heard he was recuperating from this terrible ordeal on his island retreat on Marthas Vineyard!
The guy acted like a jerk and the cops were right to get him to come out of the house where witnessess could hear him screaming and cursing at them!
Dr. Bennett was all over this this morning!

Phillygirl
07-22-2009, 07:08 PM
He was arrested in his house after providing ID.

The cop should be fired.

Was that an attempt at a logical syllogism, or simply two unrelated statements that you felt compelled to post?

megimoo
07-22-2009, 08:45 PM
The racism angle in this story is absurd - from all points of view. He wasn't questioned because he was black, he was questioned because home owners don't usually break into their own homes.

Academics constantly scream at normal people and they are ever ready to sue everyone in sight over some perceived outrage. It's tedious. Had he not been screaming and making threats, I doubt he would have been arrested since the police have better things to do.

It would have been better if the officer had just left but I can understand his probable level of frustration when dealing with screaming academics (I've witnessed it often enough).
Harvard had to create a special department for this bird to keep up their oh so PC image.He is just another token to Harvard's diversity like the big 'O' was and few even take his classes .They have to force freshmen to take his classes as an requirement !

patriot45
07-22-2009, 08:56 PM
The friccken 0 is backing gates like crazy! This is end of world crap! He is a racist!

SarasotaRepub
07-22-2009, 09:29 PM
The friccken 0 is backing gates like crazy! This is end of world crap! He is a racist!

Yeah I heard that at the end too, no surprise there.

Elspeth
07-23-2009, 03:16 PM
The friccken 0 is backing gates like crazy! This is end of world crap! He is a racist!

Did you hear that last question at the presser last night? It sounded like a planted question. I think Obama should have refrained until he knew all the facts.

I still believe the police officer should have left after the ID was obtained. However, I agree with Gingersnap here:


Originally Posted by Gingersnap

Academics constantly scream at normal people and they are ever ready to sue everyone in sight over some perceived outrage. It's tedious. Had he not been screaming and making threats, I doubt he would have been arrested since the police have better things to do.

It would have been better if the officer had just left but I can understand his probable level of frustration when dealing with screaming academics (I've witnessed it often enough).

As you all know, I work at a university campus and can vouch for the attitude that academics always throw in my face. We have one prof who screams routinely at our fiscal manager (who makes a third of what the prof makes) when the prof can't get any little piece of funding, even though CA is in a recession. A couple of weeks ago, the prof went ballistic over something stupid and accused our fiscal manager of embezzling funds! Just because the prof couldn't get some dinner covered. The rest of us schlubs carry our own lunch every day or pay for it at the food court. (For the record, our fiscal manager is decent and well supervised, bonded, etc. There's no way she could funnel money without her boss knowing. She's also a very good human being.)

Anyhow, I do think Gates was putting on his academic attitude with the cop, and I think the cop was trying to reestablish authority. Maybe that's why the cop arrested him.

megimoo
07-23-2009, 04:06 PM
The racism angle in this story is absurd - from all points of view. He wasn't questioned because he was black, he was questioned because home owners don't usually break into their own homes.

Academics constantly scream at normal people and they are ever ready to sue everyone in sight over some perceived outrage. It's tedious. Had he not been screaming and making threats, I doubt he would have been arrested since the police have better things to do.

It would have been better if the officer had just left but I can understand his probable level of frustration when dealing with screaming academics (I've witnessed it often enough).

Cop who arrested black scholar is profiling expert (Prof Gates should apologize)

The white police sergeant criticized by President Barack Obama for arresting black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. in his Massachusetts home is a police academy expert on racial profiling. Cambridge Sgt. James Crowley has taught a class on racial profiling for five years at the Lowell Police Academy after being hand-picked for the job by former police Commissioner Ronny Watson, who is black, said Academy Director Thomas Fleming. "I have nothing but the highest respect for him as a police officer. He is very professional and he is a good role model for the young recruits in the police academy,"...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090723/ap_on_re_us/us_harvard_scholar_disorderly

megimoo
07-23-2009, 04:09 PM
Bill Cosby ’shocked’ at Obama’s statement on Harvard prof’s arrest

On a Boston radio program this morning, Bill Cosby suggested that President Obama spoke too soon on the controversial arrest of Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates. “I’ve heard about five different reports [on the details of the arrest],” Cosby said on Boston’s WZLX. “If I’m the president of the United States, I don’t care how much pressure people want to put on it about race, I’m keeping my mouth shut.” “I was shocked to hear the president making this kind of statement,” Cosby said referring to the president’s remarks during last night’s press conference. The comedian appeared to have dialed...
http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2009/07/23/bill-cosby-shocked-at-obamas-statement-on-harvard-profs-arrest/

megimoo
07-23-2009, 04:24 PM
GatesGate Tells You Everything You Need To Know About Obama

Everything I ever needed to Know about Obama I learned from his comments on Professor Gates. tell me if I missed anything:

1 He viewed it from a polarizing racial perspective based on stereotypes.

2 He showed favoritism to minority democrat interest groups and to his friend.

3 He demonstrated elitism - the police are "stupid" the Harvard professor of course is not.

4 He jumped to immediate left wing conclusions without knowing the facts.

5 Perhaps most significantly, he couldn't resist getting the presidency (government) involved in even the most minor incident, from which he drew wildly exaggerated lessons to be applied to all society.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2299383/posts

megimoo
07-23-2009, 05:31 PM
Cambridge Police Officer To Obama: Butt Out of My Arrest

Cambridge Police Officer To Obama: Butt Out of My Arrest The police officer who arrested a Harvard professor for disorderly conduct said Thursday he wants President Obama, who is the educator's friend, to butt out of the incident. Cambridge, Mass., Sgt. James Crowley arrested Henry Louis Gates Jr. in his home last week after he responded to a report of two black men attempting to break in to Gates' home. It turned out that Gates, head of Harvard's W.E.B. Du Bois Institute for African and African American Research, had broken into his own home after being unable to find his keys upon...


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/23/police-officer-obama-butt-arrest/

Lars1701a
07-23-2009, 05:33 PM
I have read the facts but in the boards Opinion was the cop wrong?

Elspeth
07-23-2009, 05:47 PM
Wait:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/23/police-officer-obama-butt-arrest/


Crowley, however, has refused to apologize, and he told the radio station he did nothing wrong. He added he was surprised that a man as educated as Gates would start yelling epithets about Crowley's mom, part of the incident that never made it into the police report.

WHAT?

gator
07-23-2009, 07:47 PM
I think that if your job is Professor at Harvard's W.E.B. Du Bois Institute for African and African American Research you are a Professional Negro and would be looking for trouble.


http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b73/bigal044/racecard.jpg

SaintLouieWoman
07-23-2009, 08:14 PM
When I heard he was a professor, my first thought he was in the African American Studies department. Then I thought he might be in a more academic department. My first instinct was correct.

How should we be surprised by Obama's reaction? He's an elitist, revelling in all the perks of office. He doesn't seem to be able to stray far from his Acorn roots.

Hopefully the Sgt won't be crushed by the Obamites. But I'm not betting on it. Very sad.

megimoo
07-23-2009, 08:22 PM
When I heard he was a professor, my first thought he was in the African American Studies department. Then I thought he might be in a more academic department. My first instinct was correct.

How should we be surprised by Obama's reaction? He's an elitist, revelling in all the perks of office. He doesn't seem to be able to stray far from his Acorn roots.

Hopefully the Sgt won't be crushed by the Obamites. But I'm not betting on it. Very sad.They both have several things in common .Both are very arrogant,expect special treatment at the expense of others and use the cry of racism as a weapon !

enslaved1
07-23-2009, 09:01 PM
Bill Cosby ’shocked’ at Obama’s statement on Harvard prof’s arrest

On a Boston radio program this morning, Bill Cosby suggested that President Obama spoke too soon on the controversial arrest of Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates. “I’ve heard about five different reports [on the details of the arrest],” Cosby said on Boston’s WZLX. “If I’m the president of the United States, I don’t care how much pressure people want to put on it about race, I’m keeping my mouth shut.” “I was shocked to hear the president making this kind of statement,” Cosby said referring to the president’s remarks during last night’s press conference. The comedian appeared to have dialed...
http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2009/07/23/bill-cosby-shocked-at-obamas-statement-on-harvard-profs-arrest/

Go Bill! :D

PoliCon
07-23-2009, 09:07 PM
Go Bill! :D

the audio -

http://wzlx.com/pages/4863089.php?

enslaved1
07-23-2009, 10:18 PM
the audio -

http://wzlx.com/pages/4863089.php?

Recorded and saved for posterity. So much more than the short quote megi gave us. And we find out Bill's on twitter! Already some good stuff from him there.

Why is it Bill's intelligent comments about race get ignored while the garbage that JJ and Rev. Al spew get front page space?

megimoo
07-23-2009, 10:24 PM
Recorded and saved for posterity. So much more than the short quote megi gave us. And we find out Bill's on twitter! Already some good stuff from him there.

Why is it Bill's intelligent comments about race get ignored while the garbage that JJ and Rev. Al spew get front page space?Cosby has some brains in his head .He is always after black kids to make it on their own and forget about break dancing, Rapping and basketball .He gets in their faces and doesn't let up !Sharpton and Jackson hate his ass for what his message is to young black kids .

PoliCon
07-23-2009, 10:51 PM
Recorded and saved for posterity. So much more than the short quote megi gave us. And we find out Bill's on twitter! Already some good stuff from him there.

Why is it Bill's intelligent comments about race get ignored while the garbage that JJ and Rev. Al spew get front page space?

Bills comments don't fit the MSM narrative - JJ and AL's comments do.

megimoo
07-24-2009, 12:58 AM
Obama stokes racial passions, police anger

President Barack Obama plunged his presidency into a charged racial debate and set off a firestorm with police officers nationwide by siding with a prominent black scholar who accuses police of racism. Saying he was unaware of "all the facts" but that police in Cambridge, Massachusetts, "acted stupidly" in their arrest of Harvard's Henry Louis Gates, Obama whipped up emotions on both sides of an issue that threatens to open old wounds. "The President has alienated public safety officers across the country by his comments," said David Holway, president of the International Brotherhood of Police Officers, which represents 15,000 public..


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090724/ts_nm/us_obama_race_harvard

PoliCon
07-24-2009, 01:04 AM
I wonder will the police unions still support Barry in the next election?

Rockntractor
07-24-2009, 01:51 AM
I wonder will the police unions still support Barry in the next election?

Do you honestly think facts or history will make a difference to democrats!

Speedy
07-24-2009, 05:33 AM
Do you honestly think facts or history will make a difference to democrats!

It may not to the more liberal Democrats. But for the ones that voted for him because McCain was the other choice (I was not going to vote at all until McCain chose Palin), and for the Blue Dogs, Obama may have lost them. With his statement, Obama sounded like Jesse Jackson and like Al Sharpton. There is a reason why these two clowns never amounted to nothing than fringe candidates.

PoliCon
07-24-2009, 02:38 PM
Do you honestly think facts or history will make a difference to democrats!

No of course not - but the police unions are very much against anyone who ever makes them look bad and Barry's done just that.