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patriot45
07-23-2009, 10:27 AM
The health scare fiasco story as only Ann Coulter can (http://townhall.com/columnists/AnnCoulter/2009/07/22/take_two_aspirin_and_call_me_when_your_cancer_is_s tage_4?page=full&comments=true) tell it!



All the problems with the American health care system come from government intervention, so naturally the Democrats' idea for fixing it is more government intervention. This is like trying to sober up by having another drink.

The reason seeing a doctor is already more like going to the DMV, and less like going to the Apple "Genius Bar," is that the government decided health care was too important to be left to the free market. Yes -- the same free market that has produced such a cornucopia of inexpensive goods and services that, today, even poor people have cell phones and flat-screen TVs.

As a result, it's easier to get your computer fixed than your health. Thanks, government!

We already have near-universal health coverage in the form of Medicare, Medicaid, veterans' hospitals, emergency rooms and tax-deductible employer-provided health care -- all government creations.

So now, everyone expects doctors to be free. People who pay $200 for a haircut are indignant if it costs more than a $20 co-pay to see a doctor.

The government also "helped" us by mandating that insurance companies cover all sorts of medical services, both ordinary -- which you ought to pay for yourself -- and exotic, such as shrinks, in vitro fertilization and child-development assessments -- which no normal person would voluntarily pay to insure against.

This would be like requiring all car insurance to cover the cost of gasoline, oil and tire changes -- as well as professional car detailing, iPod docks, and leather seats and those neon chaser lights I have all along the underbody of my chopped, lowrider '57 Chevy.

But politicians are more interested in pleasing lobbyists for acupuncturists, midwives and marriage counselors than they are in pleasing recent college graduates who only want to insure against the possibility that they'll be hit by a truck. So politicians at both the state and federal level keep passing boatloads of insurance mandates requiring that all insurance plans cover a raft of non-emergency conditions that are expensive to treat -- but whose practitioners have high-priced lobbyists.

As a result, a young, healthy person has a choice of buying artificially expensive health insurance that, by law, covers a smorgasbord of medical services of no interest to him ... or going uninsured. People who aren't planning on giving birth to a slew of children with restless leg syndrome in the near future forgo insurance -- and then politicians tell us we have a national emergency because some people don't have health insurance.

The whole idea of insurance is to insure against catastrophes: You buy insurance in case your house burns down -- not so you can force other people in your plan to pay for your maid. You buy car insurance in case you're in a major accident, not so everyone in the plan shares the cost of gas.

Just as people use vastly different amounts of gasoline, they also use vastly different amounts of medical care -- especially when an appointment with a highly trained physician costs less than a manicure.

Continued (http://townhall.com/columnists/AnnCoulter/2009/07/22/take_two_aspirin_and_call_me_when_your_cancer_is_s tage_4?page=2)

satanica
07-23-2009, 10:31 AM
I love it. The VERY first sentence.

"All the problems with the American health care system come from government intervention"

So, insurance companies play NO PART in the problem we have ?

And just the thought of government intervention has caused all these problems.

Gotta love Coulter.

Molon Labe
07-23-2009, 11:49 AM
I love it. The VERY first sentence.

"All the problems with the American health care system come from government intervention"

So, insurance companies play NO PART in the problem we have ?

And just the thought of government intervention has caused all these problems.

Gotta love Coulter.


They do. It is the root of the problem. That's the consensus of the medical community. Why do you deny it?

Government employees are ususally so great at what they do.

satanica
07-23-2009, 11:54 AM
They do. It is the root of the problem. That's the consensus of the medical community. Why do you deny it?



So, Government is the root of the problem in healthcrae ?

Then why would you blame the insurance companies in another thread ?

Why are you so adament about insurance. If your goal is to help people, then insurance, HMO's etc. are the problem

And then in the next breath you say ...."Why do you deny it"

Oh the irony.

Molon Labe
07-23-2009, 11:56 AM
So, Government is the root of the problem in healthcrae ?

Then why would you blame the insurance companies in another thread ?

Why are you so adament about insurance. If your goal is to help people, then insurance, HMO's etc. are the problem

And then in the next breath you say ...."Why do you deny it"

Oh the irony.


Do you need an explanation?

Insurance companies and HMO's are products of the system they work in. Costs go up because of government intervention and these guys follow suit. Why don't you try studying the phenomena.

satanica
07-23-2009, 11:57 AM
Do you need an explanation?

Insurance companies and HMO's are products of the system they work in. Costs go up because of government intervention and these guys follow suit. Why don't you try studying the phenomena.

What intervention ? What is the government doing to drive up costs for private insurers ?

Lars1701a
07-23-2009, 11:59 AM
What intervention ? What is the government doing to drive up costs for private insurers ?

By forcing HMO's and other insurance companies to cover a whole bunch of elective conditions.

satanica
07-23-2009, 12:01 PM
By forcing HMO's and other insurance companies to cover a whole bunch of elective conditions.

Not true.

Lars1701a
07-23-2009, 12:02 PM
Not true.

Got proof? of course not you fail

satanica
07-23-2009, 12:07 PM
Got proof? of course not you fail

You made the claim, now back it up.

Jeeesh.

Lars1701a
07-23-2009, 12:09 PM
You made the claim, now back it up.

Jeeesh.

you claim i was wrong you must prove it was wrong.


Didnt think you could.

Sonnabend
07-23-2009, 12:09 PM
Originally Posted by Lars1701a http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/images/twisteddark/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showthread.php?p=160541#post160541)
By forcing HMO's and other insurance companies to cover a whole bunch of elective conditions.
Not true.

You first.

Lars1701a
07-23-2009, 12:11 PM
You first.

Na him first

Molon Labe
07-23-2009, 12:18 PM
What intervention ? What is the government doing to drive up costs for private insurers ?

What's medicare dickmunch? Isn't that a government intervention? Do private medical care providers take medicare? Hmmm

Why don't you try R E A D I N G and E D U C A T I N G yourself on all the information and all the responses I've given you over the last week.

Here...since obviosly reading isn't your thing grab your coloring book and woobie and sit down and watch this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEXFUbSbg1I

satanica
07-23-2009, 12:22 PM
What's medicare dickmunch? Isn't that a government intervention? Do private medical care providers take medicare? Hmmm



I asked what they were doing to create costs for the insurers ?

Is medicare more expensive to me than a private insurance plan ?

Of course not, medicare is cheaper, yet you think it cost more.

More fuzzy math.

Molon Labe
07-23-2009, 12:37 PM
I asked what they were doing to create costs for the insurers ?

Is medicare more expensive to me than a private insurance plan ?

Of course not, medicare is cheaper, yet you think it cost more.

More fuzzy math.

Oh really....HMM

http://www.routethree.com/solving/Medicare_medicaid_admin_costs2005.pdf

Molon Labe
07-23-2009, 12:38 PM
Wow....the evidence just keeps piling up.


http://www.coverageforall.org/uninsured/uninsured_truths.htm

Lars1701a
07-23-2009, 12:38 PM
Oh really....HMM

http://www.routethree.com/solving/Medicare_medicaid_admin_costs2005.pdf

He will never admit he is wrong, he will just jump to another subject.

Molon Labe
07-23-2009, 12:41 PM
He will never admit he is wrong, he will just jump to another subject.

I know he's a post whore thread jumper.

"Who hops from Thread to Thread with the frequency of a cheap ham radio" :p Thanks to Dan Akroyd

satanica
07-23-2009, 12:44 PM
Wow....the evidence just keeps piling up.


http://www.coverageforall.org/uninsured/uninsured_truths.htm

Ya, I looked at that link.

Where does it lay out the things the government is doing to create costs for insueres.

Gingersnap
07-23-2009, 12:44 PM
Is medicare more expensive to me than a private insurance plan ?

Sure it is.

http://i31.tinypic.com/11t3475.jpg

Molon Labe
07-23-2009, 12:52 PM
Ya, I looked at that link.

Where does it lay out the things the government is doing to create costs for insueres.

That was just some additional info for ya...;)
So I'm glad we can agree. It's not a crisis as Obama thinks. You can stop using the word now.