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stsinner
07-23-2009, 02:08 PM
Take a look at your hero-seems the sheen is coming off:

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/brassmonkey71/Obamaapproval.jpg

That's over 200,000 people voting-not your polls of 1000, or so...

Let's get a closer look, shall we?

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/brassmonkey71/Obamaapproval-1.jpg

So that's a total of 82% who disapprove or strongly disapprove of his health care lies debacle and a total of 83% who disapprove or strongly disapprove of how he's sinking our economy and plunging headlong into third-world status... You should apologize to your fellow Americans publicly for helping to ruin our country.


The link (http://news.aol.com/article/obama-approval-ratings/578736?icid=main|htmlws-main|dl7|link4|http://news.aol.com/article/obama-approval-ratings/578736)

Discuss.

satanica
07-23-2009, 02:13 PM
So what does this mean ?

stsinner
07-23-2009, 02:18 PM
So what does this mean ?

Well, you said that America loves him.... I think that they are swiftly coming to grips with the fact that he's an incompetent, lying America-hating racist, and he's going to utterly devastate our economy and health care system if he isn't stopped.

He does NOT have the support of the vast majority of the American people when it comes down to his policies. He does have the support of many Americans, however, when discussing his skin color, but that's where it ends, evidently, because he's a terrible President who makes terrible policy, but he can't really be blamed for anything except being ambitious. It's the American people who voted for him who are to blame for him ruining our country because they overlooked his glaring inexperience and racism and associations. It was obvious to anyone not brainwashed by political correctness that he was nowhere near up to the task of running the country.

satanica
07-23-2009, 02:22 PM
Well, you said that America loves him.... I think that they are swiftly coming to grips with the fact that he's an incompetent,


So, Obama has slipped to 57% after 6 months and you think he is incompentent ?

What if Bush slipped to 57% after 6 months ? ...would he also be incompetent ?

OOOOPS......

George W. Bush also drew a 57 percent approval rating six months into his presidency,

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/17/poll-obama-approval-rating-dips-under-60-percent

So, was Bush "incompetent after 6 months?"

stsinner
07-23-2009, 02:24 PM
So, Obama has slipped to 57% after 6 months and you think he is incompentent ?

What if Bush slipped to 57% after 6 months ? ...would he also be incompetent ?

OOOOPS......

George W. Bush also drew a 57 percent approval rating six months into his presidency,

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/17/poll-obama-approval-rating-dips-under-60-percent

So, was Bush "incompetent after 6 months?"


Was that a, "Your mamma..." ? Excellent analysis of the facts.

I didin't know we were discussing President Bush.. :confused: I promise you that President Bush won't run in the next election or make any more policies for this country, so we can stop using him to try to deter from the fact that Obama is a train wreck who looks good in a suit...

patriot45
07-23-2009, 02:27 PM
Was that a, "Your mamma..." ? Excellent analysis of the facts.

I didin't know we were discussing President Bush.. :confused: I promise you that President Bush won't run in the next election or make any more policies for this country, so we can stop using him to try to deter from the fact that Obama is a train wreck who looks good in a suit...

Haha! BDS is a lifelong affliction for liberals!

satanica
07-23-2009, 02:32 PM
Look.

I am going to do you a favor and explain something to you.

What I do in forums like this is trap people in their own words, I have become a pro at it.

This post is another example of what I do..

You post this poll...Now instead of just posting Bushs numbers and proving you wrong, I bait you, and ask "what does this mean?"

I already know your answer, I just need you to commit to it, and you always do, you jump in with both feet as fast as you can. Now I have forced you to admit Bush was a failure after 6 months, in two easy posts.

I worked you over with the "financial crisi" thread.

I simply played the same game, I asked a question that I already knew what the answer would be...

"Did Bush hand Obama a financial crisis?"

I knew you would say there was no crisis. Then the trap is sprung, ..

"If there was no crisis, then why did Bush say he needed 700 billion in a matter of days or the country would collpase?"

Checkmate.....again.

My advice...when debating someone like me, think about what my respose will be before posting, and then post accordingly ...instead of your usual knee jerk response to just swallow the bait in seconds.

Remember, I am always two steps ahead of you. A little thought process would prevent these embarrassing events from taking place.

lacarnut
07-23-2009, 02:34 PM
So, Obama has slipped to 57% after 6 months and you think he is incompentent ?

What if Bush slipped to 57% after 6 months ? ...would he also be incompetent ?

OOOOPS......

George W. Bush also drew a 57 percent approval rating six months into his presidency,

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/17/poll-obama-approval-rating-dips-under-60-percent

So, was Bush "incompetent after 6 months?"

You just got another ass kicking cause the overwhelming majority of Americans do not want socialized meds. A loser like you does because you are stupid. Looks like Obama's poll numbers just keep getting lower and lower and lower.

satanica
07-23-2009, 02:38 PM
You just got another ass kicking cause the overwhelming majority of Americans do not want socialized meds.


The national telephone survey, which was conducted from June 12 to 16, found that 72 percent of those questioned supported a government-administered insurance plan — something like Medicare for those under 65 — that would compete for customers with private insurers. Twenty percent said they were opposed http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/health/policy/21poll.html

Only in your twisted mind.

linda22003
07-23-2009, 02:41 PM
The national telephone survey, which was conducted from June 12 to 16, found that 72 percent of those questioned supported a government-administered insurance plan — something like Medicare for those under 65 — that would compete for customers with private insurers. Twenty percent said they were opposed http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/health/policy/21poll.html



Well, this is easy! Let those who want a public plan subscribe to it, and those who want a private plan subscribe to that!

Talismen
07-23-2009, 02:41 PM
Here's more numbers....
The tell-tale indicator finally starts to plummet:

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/290023.php


...While most African-American voters (56%) still say the country is heading in the right direction, that’s down seven points over the past week. Only 28% of white voters agree, showing no change from the previous survey...

Read the whole thing here: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/right_direction_or_wrong_track


7 points...in ONE week.
It must suck so bad to be this wrong.

satanica
07-23-2009, 02:43 PM
Here's more numbers....
The tell-tale indicator finally starts to plummet:

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/290023.php

Read the whole thing here: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/right_direction_or_wrong_track


7 points...in ONE week.
It must suck so bad to be this wrong.

Unless you answer this question, I will NEVER respond to you again. Last chance.

What am I wrong about ?

Molon Labe
07-23-2009, 02:48 PM
Unless you answer this question, I will NEVER respond to you again. Last chance.

What am I wrong about ?

Where do we start?

satanica
07-23-2009, 02:48 PM
Well, this is easy! Let those who want a public plan subscribe to it, and those who want a private plan subscribe to that!

Thats the plan.

If you want to keep your insurance, you can. Same policy, same doctor, same everything.

The 'option' is the government plan, you can buy into it if you don't want private insurance.

The President has stated this at least 100 times, he is on TV right now and just repeated it again.

Are you ever listening ?

stsinner
07-23-2009, 02:50 PM
Well, this is easy! Let those who want a public plan subscribe to it, and those who want a private plan subscribe to that!

Are you serious? You can't be that dumb, Linda! Allowing the government to run any new programs means committing more tax money to it, means that more uninsured will be insured and going to your doctor and mine, decreasing our care and increasing our wait times, and the quality of care will go down as the government starts setting the prices for every procedure, forcing the good doctors out of the profession and institutionalizing mediocrity even further! Obama wants to issue the equivalent of government food stamps!

Health care is not a right! It's a responsibility, and if you're not ambitious enough to provide health insurance for yourself and your family, then it's not my responsibility or the responsibility of other responsible working adults to pay for you to have it!!

"You are entitled to something, the politicians say, simply because it exists and you want or need it—period. You are entitled to be given it by the government. Where does the government get it from? What does the government have to do to private citizens—to their individual rights—to their real rights—in order to carry out the promise of showering free services on the people?

The answers are obvious. The newfangled rights wipe out real rights—and turn the people who actually create the goods and services involved into servants of the state. The Russians tried this exact system for many decades. Unfortunately, we have not learned from their experience. Yet the meaning of socialism (this is the right name for Clinton's medical plan) is clearly evident in any field at all—you don't need to think of health care as a special case; it is just as apparent if the government were to proclaim a universal right to food, or to a vacation, or to a haircut. I mean: a right in the new sense: not that you are free to earn these things by your own effort and trade, but that you have a moral claim to be given these things free of charge, with no action on your part, simply as handouts from a benevolent government.

How would these alleged new rights be fulfilled? Take the simplest case: you are born with a moral right to hair care, let us say, provided by a loving government free of charge to all who want or need it. What would happen under such a moral theory?"

Read on for more perspective: Health Care is not a Right. (http://www.afcm.org/hcinar.html)

satanica
07-23-2009, 02:51 PM
Are you serious? Youc an't be that dumb,[/url]

Way to show respect.

This is the second CUer to come out for a publica option ....JUST TODAY.

Should I take credit ?

stsinner
07-23-2009, 02:54 PM
Thats the plan.

If you want to keep your insurance, you can. Same policy, same doctor, same everything.

The 'option' is the government plan, you can buy into it if you don't want private insurance.

The President has stated this at least 100 times, he is on TV right now and just repeated it again.

Are you ever listening ?

Name one thing that government has gotten its gluttonous mitts into that is not a bloated, wasteful mess..

I'll wait.

While you're feebly attempting to find something, I'll list just a few things that the government has totally screwed up:

1. The school system
2. Medicaid/Medicare
3. Social Security
4. Welfare/entitlements
5. The housing market
6. The auto industry
7. Government, itself.
8. Every single thing government has ever gotten involved with or taken over.

stsinner
07-23-2009, 02:55 PM
Way to show respect.\?

Who the hell are you to talk about respect??

Oh, and good analysis of the facts I posted, yet again...

BadCat
07-23-2009, 02:58 PM
Way to show respect.

This is the second CUer to come out for a publica option ....JUST TODAY.

Should I take credit ?

Public option?

Let's look at you for instance, if they pass this mess, you're going to be on the public option. Let's pretend (and this is far fetched fantasy) that you actually do move to the Keys and make a successful business for yourself...YOU'LL STILL BE ON THE PUBLIC OPTION, you can't get out of it...ever. I'm sure you'll enjoy the "take a number" medical care that will see you through what is left of your life.

lacarnut
07-23-2009, 02:59 PM
Thats the plan.

If you want to keep your insurance, you can. Same policy, same doctor, same everything.

The 'option' is the government plan, you can buy into it if you don't want private insurance.

The President has stated this at least 100 times, he is on TV right now and just repeated it again.

Are you ever listening ?

If you change jobs, you have to go into the Government plan. It is mandatory so you have no choice. It is mandatory that a business has to buy insurance for their employees. What if a young healthy person does not want to participate. Forcing people to do what they do not want to is un-American.

satanica
07-23-2009, 03:02 PM
If you change jobs, you have to go into the Government plan. It is mandatory so you have no choice. It is mandatory that a business has to buy insurance for their employees. What if a young healthy person does not want to participate. Forcing people to do what they do not want to is un-American.

That is a lie that is being spread by misinformed republicans. Link ?

BadCat
07-23-2009, 03:03 PM
If you change jobs, you have to go into the Government plan. It is mandatory so you have no choice. It is mandatory that a business has to buy insurance for their employees. What if a young healthy person does not want to participate. Forcing people to do what they do not want to is un-American.

Well, so are the people pushing this fiasco, so no surprise there.

BadCat
07-23-2009, 03:03 PM
That is a lie that is being spread by misinformed republicans. Link ?

Page 16 of the bill.
Go read it.

satanica
07-23-2009, 03:04 PM
Well, so are the people pushing this fiasco, so no surprise there.

The story isn't true.

satanica
07-23-2009, 03:04 PM
Page 16 of the bill.
Go read it.

Just post the part of it that backs up YOUR claim. Otherwise forget it.

stsinner
07-23-2009, 03:06 PM
Just post the part of it that backs up YOUR claim. Otherwise forget it.

You really think you're in charge here, don't you? Maybe you should do the responsible thing for once in your life and download a .pdf version of the bill and read it. See you in a few weeks.

BadCat
07-23-2009, 03:06 PM
Just post the part of it that backs up YOUR claim. Otherwise forget it.

Oh, I see, you're too afraid to go look at the actual wording of the shit your "boy" wants to foist on you.

satanica
07-23-2009, 03:09 PM
Oh, I see, you're too afraid to go look at the actual wording of the shit your "boy" wants to foist on you.

How predictable.

copy and paste buddy ...

BadCat
07-23-2009, 03:11 PM
Let me help you out... just google "healthcare bill page 16".

satanica
07-23-2009, 03:12 PM
Let me help you out... just google "healthcare bill page 16".

Thats what I thought. Instead of doing what your doing.

Just copy and paste and show me how wrong I am ?

I dare you.

stsinner
07-23-2009, 03:12 PM
How predictable.

copy and paste buddy ...

Let me Google that for you, (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=health+care+bill+page+16)

Evidently, you're too stupid to know that you can't copy and paste portions of a pdf.. and I don't have the ambition to do a screen-shot..

BadCat
07-23-2009, 03:15 PM
Let me Google that for you, (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=health+care+bill+page+16)

I think he may be too stupid to use Google.

satanica
07-23-2009, 03:18 PM
Let me Google that for you, (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=health+care+bill+page+16)

Evidently, you're too stupid to know that you can't copy and paste portions of a pdf.. and I don't have the ambition to do a screen-shot..

Thanks for the help...

Page 16 of the House Health-Care Bill Does Not Make Insurance Illegal
There's been a weird talking point bubbling up that the House health-care plan makes private insurance -- sigh -- illegal. Rep. Michelle Bachmann, who breathes out crazy like the rest of us exhale carbon dioxide, warns that "on the 16th page, it says whatever health care you have now, it’s going to be gone within five years." Investor's Business Daily says, "right there on Page 16 is a provision making individual private medical insurance illegal."

Sigh. Not really. Shadowfax does the lord's work and explains what's actually going on here.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/07/page_16_of_the_house_health_ca.html

satanica
07-23-2009, 03:18 PM
No really ....thanks for the link.....LOL

BadCat
07-23-2009, 03:21 PM
No really ....thanks for the link.....LOL

Did you read the actual text from the bill? No, of course you didn't.

Fine by me, you deserve DMV style healthcare for the rest of your life.

satanica
07-23-2009, 03:23 PM
Let me Google that for you, (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=health+care+bill+page+16)

Evidently, you're too stupid to know that you can't copy and paste portions of a pdf.. and I don't have the ambition to do a screen-shot..

Remember what I said about thinking about how I will respond to your post, before you post ? ..You just jumped in with both feet again.

In fact, I warned you about that in this thread. http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showthread.php?t=16577

satanica
07-23-2009, 03:24 PM
Did you read the actual text from the bill? No, of course you didn't.



Yes, I read it. The story you are pushing is 100% horsesh*t ....as usual.

Talismen
07-23-2009, 03:25 PM
I swiped this from another forum I go to - so I'm not taking credit for the wording. But - it is laid out quite well:

First, here's the link to the bill - go to page 16:
http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090714/aahca.pdf


1. You, the individual is going to be royally screwed. Here’s how it will happen.

Page 16 of the bill addresses your ability to enroll yourself in a healthcare plan offered by a private insurer (i.e. any plan other than what is commonly referred to as ObamaCare). You will only have the option to seek coverage with a private health insurance company if you meet the following qualifications.

(1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT.—
(A) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in
this paragraph, the individual health insurance
issuer offering such coverage does not enroll
any individual in such coverage if the first ef15
fective date of coverage is on or after the first
day of Y1.
(B) DEPENDENT COVERAGE PERMITTED.
—Subparagraph (A) shall not affect
the subsequent enrollment of a dependent of an
individual who is covered as of such first day.

It gets better. There is a grandfathering-in clause that refers to those who have health insurance coverage on the date of inception of the federal healthcare insurance plan (Please see top of doc page 16.). The cumulative effect of the limitation on new enrollment is that private insurers will not be able to write “new business” once the federal plan is operational. Individuals that have private insurance will be able to add dependents to their existing coverage plan, but those dependents, once out on their own, away from mom and dad, will not be able to secure private sector health for themselves as mom and dad were able to do since they, the dependents, do not meet the eligibility requirements. Instead, they will have a choice between the insurance offered by their employer (if their employer offers as much) or the federal government’s plan. So, if you have kids right now, when they are old enough to obtain health coverage for themselves, they will either obtain coverage from a non-government insurance carrier courtesy of their employer who does provide health insurance and that insurance is not part of this government plan or your child will enroll in the government health insurance program.

Finally, to sum it all up, an individual who has personal health insurance (i.e. is not insured through employer offered group plan) at any time ceases to have coverage through a private carrier, that individual will no longer have the option of obtaining coverage in the form of a similar coverage plan with a private health insurance carrier. The choices available to that individual will be the government plan or group insurance via his or her employer.

With the above mechanism in place which effectively caps the number of new insureds that private carriers can insure, the federal government has stacked the deck so that the numbers enrolling in the federally/taxpayer funded healthcare program will steadily grow leaving private insurance carriers to gradually die on the proverbial vine.

So, we as individuals that might desire tailored health coverage will neither have the freedom to change carriers for whatever reason, and we can expect the private carriers to be forced to raise their premium rates to stay in business as they, the carriers, experience a dwindling of the numbers that they insure. Sure, we can keep our doctor, coverage, etc.., right now, but for how long will that be viable for each of us?

Molon Labe
07-23-2009, 03:28 PM
Did you read the actual text from the bill? No, of course you didn't.

Fine by me, you deserve DMV style healthcare for the rest of your life.

That's Ok BC.....Wy woud Satan's boy be any different than the dips in Congress. None of them have read this shat either. He'd fit right in.

satanica
07-23-2009, 03:28 PM
I swiped this from another forum I go to - so I'm not taking credit for the wording. But - it is laid out quite well:

First, here's the link to the bill - go to page 16:
http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090714/aahca.pdf

Your proof is a cut and paste from a unknown internet forum from an unknown internet author ?

You don't even link to where you pulled it from ?

Debate between you and I has ended.

stsinner
07-23-2009, 03:29 PM
Remember what I said about thinking about how I will respond to your post, before you post ? ..You just jumped in with both feet again.

In fact, I warned you about that in this thread. http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showthread.php?t=16577

You really have mental problems, and I'm not just saying that to be insulting.. You have some kind of complex and your need to belittle and insult people is disturbing.

stsinner
07-23-2009, 03:30 PM
Your proof is a cut and paste from a unknown internet forum from an unknown internet author ?

You don't even link to where you pulled it from ?

Debate between you and I has ended.

That is the actual text of page 16, you dummie! You'd know that if you'd get off the Daily KOS site and do your due diligence.

satanica
07-23-2009, 03:37 PM
That is the actual text of page 16, you dummie! You'd know that if you'd get off the Daily KOS site and do your due diligence.

If thats the text then you are wrong.

What this text means is ....

1. Individual health insurance policies already in effect may continue but may not be altered.
2. Employer-sponsored plans have five years to get in compliance with the new regulations.
3. New individual health insurance policies will only be available through the National Insurance Exchange (NIE).

#3 says that new PRIVATE insurance companies will be able to compete in the NIE and will be able to write new PRIVATE POLICIES through the NIE.

satanica
07-23-2009, 03:38 PM
But hey, if Michelle Bachman said so ...then I must be wrong.

Molon Labe
07-23-2009, 03:42 PM
From the Bill itself:



START-UP FUNDING-

(A) IN GENERAL- In order to provide for the establishment of the public health insurance option there is hereby appropriated to the Secretary, out of any funds in the Treasury not otherwise appropriated, $2,000,000,000.

:(

satanica
07-23-2009, 03:46 PM
From the Bill itself::(

Ya, 2 billion towards healthcare for Americans is a drag.

But a trillion for a war in Iraq that enriches the war machine is A-OK.

Take a bow.

BadCat
07-23-2009, 03:46 PM
If thats the text then you are wrong.

What this text means is ....

1. Individual health insurance policies already in effect may continue but may not be altered.
2. Employer-sponsored plans have five years to get in compliance with the new regulations.
3. New individual health insurance policies will only be available through the National Insurance Exchange (NIE).

#3 says that new PRIVATE insurance companies will be able to compete in the NIE and will be able to write new PRIVATE POLICIES through the NIE.

I sure don't see that anywhere, but...

1. What if I want to change my coverage? Higher deductible, lower deductible?
2. WHAT new regulations? So much government red tape that nobody can unravel it?
3. WTF is a "National Insurance Exchange"? I bet it will be run by a "Czar".

Talismen
07-23-2009, 03:48 PM
Link to bill: http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090714/aahca.pdf


SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT
2 COVERAGE.
3 (a) GRANDFATHERED HEALTH INSURANCE COV4
ERAGE DEFINED.—Subject to the succeeding provisions of
5 this section, for purposes of establishing acceptable cov6
erage under this division, the term ‘‘grandfathered health
7 insurance coverage’’ means individual health insurance
8 coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the
9 first day of Y1 if the following conditions are met:
10 (1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT.—
11 (A) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in
12 this paragraph, the individual health insurance
13 issuer offering such coverage does not enroll
14 any individual in such coverage if the first
15 effective date of coverage is on or after the first
16 day of Y1.


Here's another goody:

Link to the bill: http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090714/aahca.pdf


5 TITLE IV—AMENDMENTS TO IN6
TERNAL REVENUE CODE OF
7 1986
8 Subtitle A—Shared Responsibility
9 PART 1—INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY
10 SEC. 401. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE
11 HEALTH CARE COVERAGE.
12 (a) IN GENERAL.—Subchapter A of chapter 1 of the
13 Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by adding at
14 the end the following new part:
15 ‘‘PART VIII—HEALTH CARE RELATED TAXES
‘‘SUBPART A. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE HEALTH CARE
COVERAGE.
16 ‘‘Subpart A—Tax on Individuals Without Acceptable
17 Health Care Coverage
‘‘Sec. 59B. Tax on individuals without acceptable health care coverage.
18 ‘‘SEC. 59B. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE
19 HEALTH CARE COVERAGE.
20 ‘‘(a) TAX IMPOSED.—In the case of any individual
21 who does not meet the requirements of subsection (d) at
22 any time during the taxable year, there is hereby imposed
23 a tax equal to 2.5 percent of the excess of—
‘‘(1) the taxpayer’s modified adjusted gross in2
come for the taxable year, over
3 ‘‘(2) the amount of gross income specified in
4 section 6012(a)(1) with respect to the taxpayer.


And yet another...

Link to bill: http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090714/aahca.pdf


5 ‘‘Advance Care Planning Consultation
6 ‘‘(hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the
7 term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a con8
sultation between the individual and a practitioner de9
scribed in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning,
10 if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has
11 not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such
12 consultation shall include the following:
[...]

‘‘(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the
5 continuum of end-of-life services and supports avail6
able, including palliative care and hospice, and bene7
fits for such services and supports that are available
8 under this title.
9 ‘‘(F)(i) Subject to clause (ii), an explanation of
10 orders regarding life sustaining treatment or similar
11 orders, which shall include—
12 ‘‘(I) the reasons why the development of
13 such an order is beneficial to the individual and
14 the individual’s family and the reasons why
15 such an order should be updated periodically as
16 the health of the individual changes;



:cool:

satanica
07-23-2009, 03:55 PM
I sure don't see that anywhere, but...

1. What if I want to change my coverage? Higher deductible, lower deductible?
2. WHAT new regulations? So much government red tape that nobody can unravel it?
3. WTF is a "National Insurance Exchange"? I bet it will be run by a "Czar".


1. You go shopping at the NIE for new insurance. You will be able to compare between the public option and private insurance coverage and make a choice based on the facts, pick whatever you want.

2. Regulations like ..

-You can't be denied the treatment you need after paying for insurance.
- You can't be turned away for pre existing conditions
-The insurance companies will not be able to just cherry pick the healthiest people, and then try and deny them coverage when they do need it.

3. The NIE is where someone will be able to go shopping for healthcare insurance, everything will be under one giant roof, with everybody playing by the same rules. You can buy all the private insurance here that you can afford.

Molon Labe
07-23-2009, 03:56 PM
Ya, 2 billion towards healthcare for Americans is a drag.

But a trillion for a war in Iraq that enriches the war machine is A-OK.

Take a bow.

Who said I agree with that dipshit.

BadCat
07-23-2009, 07:08 PM
Originally Posted by satanica View Post
Ya, 2 billion towards healthcare for Americans is a drag.

But a trillion for a war in Iraq that enriches the war machine is A-OK.

Take a bow.

This is the second time I've heard this from a moonbat today. So, unless blarch is that manicure getting faggot black guy that calls Hannity, I'm thinking the Dims must have a nice Twitter thing going.

MrsSmith
07-23-2009, 09:58 PM
The War in Iraq - over in a few years.

The War on Poverty - more than half a century, and we're still losing, and still throwing trillions at it

The War on Private Healthcare - the second great War on Poverty, only the government wins

stsinner
07-23-2009, 10:02 PM
The War in Iraq - over in a few years.

The War on Poverty - more than half a century, and we're still losing, and still throwing trillions at it

The War on Private Healthcare - the second great War on Poverty, only the government wins

Bravo!

Teetop
07-23-2009, 11:19 PM
1. You go shopping at the NIE for new insurance. You will be able to compare between the public option and private insurance coverage and make a choice based on the facts, pick whatever you want.

2. Regulations like ..

-You can't be denied the treatment you need after paying for insurance.
- You can't be turned away for pre existing conditions
-The insurance companies will not be able to just cherry pick the healthiest people, and then try and deny them coverage when they do need it.

3. The NIE is where someone will be able to go shopping for healthcare insurance, everything will be under one giant roof, with everybody playing by the same rules. You can buy all the private insurance here that you can afford.

Bull. Fucking. Shit.

I want to keep the great insurance I have now. Under Obama Care, not possible! :mad:

PoliCon
07-24-2009, 12:01 AM
Look.

I am going to do you a favor and explain something to you.

What I do in forums like this is trap people in their own words, I have become a pro at it.

This post is another example of what I do..

You post this poll...Now instead of just posting Bushs numbers and proving you wrong, I bait you, and ask "what does this mean?"

I already know your answer, I just need you to commit to it, and you always do, you jump in with both feet as fast as you can. Now I have forced you to admit Bush was a failure after 6 months, in two easy posts.

I worked you over with the "financial crisi" thread.

I simply played the same game, I asked a question that I already knew what the answer would be...

"Did Bush hand Obama a financial crisis?"

I knew you would say there was no crisis. Then the trap is sprung, ..

"If there was no crisis, then why did Bush say he needed 700 billion in a matter of days or the country would collpase?"

Checkmate.....again.

My advice...when debating someone like me, think about what my respose will be before posting, and then post accordingly ...instead of your usual knee jerk response to just swallow the bait in seconds.

Remember, I am always two steps ahead of you. A little thought process would prevent these embarrassing events from taking place.


Dude - you're not even on the field let alone two steps ahead of anyone. You quote mine and bait and troll and play stupid pointless gotcha games that do nothing but make you look a fool. It only takes 2 second of thought to see through your games and your little gotchya. :rolleyes:

Take your little Bush bait and switch - only an idiot can't see through that. Or you constant building of strawmen - or your stupid quote mining - I have 7th grade students that can form better arguments than you have.

Constitutionally Speaking
07-24-2009, 06:27 AM
I knew you would say there was no crisis. Then the trap is sprung, ..

"If there was no crisis, then why did Bush say he needed 700 billion in a matter of days or the country would collpase?"

Checkmate.....again.

That was an epic fail on your part.

Most of us BLASTED Bush for doing that - go back and read the posts from back then. You see, we did not BLINDLY support Bush.

In fact, VERY FEW of us supported him at ALL on his spending.

Because you did not recognize that, you failed miserably and most of us simply egged you on.


What you do is not debate, what you do is scream at the top of your lungs the same thing over and over and REFUSE to debate.

You COULD stay and partake in actual debate, OR you can continue with the asshattery and just like everywhere else you have visited, you will be banned. Some of us would like you to straighten up and try to actually discuss things intelligently but others are not so patient. It is a close vote, and your constant insults and absolute refusal to discuss anything in an intelligent manner works against you and is pushing more people to the side of banning you.

I personally am on the fence. Which way should I go???

SarasotaRepub
07-24-2009, 07:35 AM
Satanica really needs to spend more time on his move to the
Florida Keys to become the next Donald Trump of The Conch Republic!!!

I found a hot property for sale for ya!!!!

http://www.lcss.net/florida/photos/keywest04.jpg

It even has Solar Power!!!! :eek:

Better act fast!!! :D

Apocalypse
07-24-2009, 08:09 AM
So, Obama has slipped to 57% after 6 months and you think he is incompentent ?

What if Bush slipped to 57% after 6 months ? ...would he also be incompetent ?

OOOOPS......

George W. Bush also drew a 57 percent approval rating six months into his presidency,

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/17/poll-obama-approval-rating-dips-under-60-percent

So, was Bush "incompetent after 6 months?"
Better look again at his poll numbers.

Gallup Poll.

7/20-22/09
Approve
55 %
Disap-
prove

39%


LOL and here is a lower one!!

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b211/Dispel_Illusions/Capture-3.jpg

satanica
07-24-2009, 08:50 AM
That was an epic fail on your part.

Most of us BLASTED Bush for doing that - go back and read the posts from back then. You see, we did not BLINDLY support Bush.

You blasted him because most of you don't believe there was a financial crisis under Bush.

The BIG question never gets answered..."Why did bush ask for 700 billion?"

Of course you guys are against Bush grabbing 700 billion, but you need to ask yourself the BIG question of WHY..



Some of us would like you to straighten up and try to actually discuss things intelligently but others are not so patient. It is a close vote, and your constant insults and absolute refusal to discuss anything in an intelligent manner works against you and is pushing more people to the side of banning you.

I personally am on the fence. Which way should I go???

Not true, I debate and POST LINKS AND SOURCES. Nice try. Why don't you take a look at this thread you are[posting in, and tell me who is being INSULTING...and who is calling NAMES.

Then look at who is posting LINKS and SOURCES ...and who is just posting BS and refusing to back it up.

There is a truth and a lie ...and the truth is contained in this very thread, YOU are now defending a lie.

satanica
07-24-2009, 08:53 AM
Do you get is CS ?

There are insults in this thread, but they ARE NOT FROM ME.

Yet, you insist they are from me ? ...why ?

I have been insulted throughout this thread, and have not returned any insults.

Yet I am the one who is being insulting ? .....Get a clue already. The other mods are laughing at you.

Jfor
07-24-2009, 09:18 AM
Do you get is CS ?

There are insults in this thread, but they ARE NOT FROM ME.

Yet, you insist they are from me ? ...why ?

I have been insulted throughout this thread, and have not returned any insults.

Yet I am the one who is being insulting ? .....Get a clue already. The other mods are laughing at you.

Waawaawaa... They are picking on me and I didn't do anything. Somebody call the wambulance.

Sonnabend
07-24-2009, 09:24 AM
Do you get is CS ?

There are insults in this thread, but they ARE NOT FROM ME.

Looking at your posts on this board, I am not remiss in saying that the above statement is a blatant lie


Yet, you insist they are from me ? ...why ?

Let me count the ways....


I have been insulted throughout this thread, and have not returned any insults.

You have screamed abuse throughout this board, leading more than one member to ask why you are still here. Were I you, i would count yourself lucky you are not out on your ass, keep the mouth shut, moderate the language or be confronted with a banscreen with your name on it.


Yet I am the one who is being insulting ? .....Get a clue already. The other mods are laughing at you.

Another lie. People like you throw this meme around" no one likes you"

Guess what Satanica, if the mods are laughing at anyone, it's you. By the way, I'd also consider it a miracle we allow you to keep posting, seeing as your parent board DU has no tolerance for anyone who doesnt waik in lockstep.

When it comes to hypocrisy, you and your ilk have cornered the market.

You are an insult to intelligence, good sense, good manners,.not to mention the fact that you are batshit insane.

satanica
07-24-2009, 09:30 AM
Looking at your posts on this board, I am not remiss in saying that the above statement is a blatant lie

said THREAD...not board. I have stopped all insults....Please start reading slower.


You just posted a very long winded post that was based on something you misread. What a waste of time for you.

Sonnabend
07-24-2009, 09:33 AM
You just posted a very long winded post that was based on something you misread. What a waste of time for you.

I am commenting on your general behaviour and your singular hypocrisy, both of which are relevant and both of which have branded you an ineffective, abusive little troll with delusions of adequacy.

satanica
07-24-2009, 09:37 AM
Hey sonnabend, remember when yopu said this yesterday ? ...and then 5 minutes later denied you ever said it ?

Quote:
The fact is that the majority of the American people wanted Gore to be their leade

No, they didnt


But you just claimed "no they didn't"

Nope. Said he lost.He did.


Quote:
When I said More people voted for Gore. Are you standing by that statement ?

Sitting, actually.


When I posted this contradiction you then bailed out and posted ...

Back on topic....

You were cornered so badly by your own words another mod had to post in the thread and bail you out...

Let's get back to the speech and the pitch for health care


And now you are posting again like you have some credibility left ?

Sonnabend
07-24-2009, 09:40 AM
And now you are posting again like you have some credibility left ?

...and I am supposed to be concerned with your opinion of me....why?

Sonnabend
07-24-2009, 09:46 AM
Bottom line.

Obama's approval is tanking

His Obamacare is a disaster in the making which will never make it through the Senate.

Whatever credibility he had is fading fast.

The military hate him...not surprising when the snivelling coward never served and has proven to be an appeaser, a liar, a self serving, self inflated buffoon and I would say a one term wonder as well.

The states are now moving to the 10th Amendment and telling him to take his federal laws and shove them where the sun dont shine

Many are now regretting how they treated his predecessor, and are asking themselves what the hell they were thinking when they voted this jackass into office.

He has had it.

Constitutionally Speaking
07-24-2009, 10:05 AM
Do you get is CS ?

There are insults in this thread, but they ARE NOT FROM ME.

Yet, you insist they are from me ? ...why ?

I have been insulted throughout this thread, and have not returned any insults.

Yet I am the one who is being insulting ? .....Get a clue already. The other mods are laughing at you.


No one said this thread specifically.


Yes you are insulting -especially to those of us with an IQ of more that two digits.

The only Mods that are laughing are those who wonder why a few of us are still not supporting your banishment. I might be joining them.

satanica
07-24-2009, 10:10 AM
The only Mods that are laughing are those who wonder why a few of us are still not supporting your banishment. I might be joining them.

If I am clean, then why would I get banned ?

Sonnabend
07-24-2009, 10:14 AM
If I am clean, then why would I get banned ?

For being an abusive little troll.

PoliCon
07-24-2009, 11:52 AM
said THREAD...not board. I have stopped all insults....Please start reading slower.


You just posted a very long winded post that was based on something you misread. What a waste of time for you.

Dude - you have a long way to go before behaving in ONE thread is going to make any kind of difference. You're acting like a little kid - Mommy I've been good today - completely ignoring the 364 days before today where you misbehaved. :rolleyes:

Molon Labe
07-24-2009, 11:56 AM
Dude - you have a long way to go before behaving in ONE thread is going to make any kind of difference. You're acting like a little kid - Mommy I've been good today - completely ignoring the 364 days before today where you misbehaved. :rolleyes:

Good point....But give him a break.....he had a government education.

jediab
07-24-2009, 12:34 PM
Good point....But give him a break.....he had a government education.

Provided to him by blue state union members.

Constitutionally Speaking
07-24-2009, 05:37 PM
If I am clean, then why would I get banned ?


From what I have seen you HAVE been much better. Thank you.

satanica
07-24-2009, 05:39 PM
From what I have seen you HAVE been much better. Thank you.

and yet Zafod has trolled this thread with 10 posts insulting me and ignoring the threads topic.

I would assume this was against the rules.

stsinner
07-24-2009, 05:46 PM
and yet Zafod has trolled this thread with 10 posts insulting me and ignoring the threads topic.

I would assume this was against the rules.

Satanica, you have been so utterly disgusting on this board-talking about peoples' mothers being whores and leveling various other unforgivable insults that you will never be held in high regard or respected by most here.. You have shown your true colors and level of maturity, and you're only acting respectful because the members were calling for your head.. You've a vile little man with no respect for Conservatives or their ideals, and you are so enamored of the Obama administration that you distort the facts and try to slant every thing the man says to look positive. Quit whining about how you're being treated, because you've dished out much worse, and now it's time to just take your medicine.

Lars1701a
07-24-2009, 05:51 PM
and yet Zafod has trolled this thread with 10 posts insulting me and ignoring the threads topic.

I would assume this was against the rules.

He has a point why arent you out looking for a job?

BadCat
07-24-2009, 05:53 PM
He has a point why arent you out looking for a job?

Because he thinks it's "funny" that people like us have to support his worthless ass.

PoliCon
07-24-2009, 06:18 PM
Good point....But give him a break.....he had a government education.

I went to public schools too so . . . no excuse.