View Full Version : UnF***ingbelievable: Harry Reid Delays HCR Vote FOR THE GOP!!

07-23-2009, 03:49 PM
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UnF***ingbelievable: Harry Reid Delays HCR Vote FOR THE GOP!! Updated at 6:41 PM

I am so pissed right now...

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said today that the Senate
would not attempt to pass sweeping health care reform until after returning from the August recess.


Reid said the Senate would try to complete a package in the fall.


Reid said Republicans, who have shown intense resistance to President Obama’s push for health care reform, had asked for more time to work
out a package.

"We will do what we can to make sure their concerns are not buried," Reid said.

...But I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

All I can say is that he better be right that Senate Finance is going to be done with their markup.

If they aren't, I think Chuck Schumer should be Majority Leader. End of story.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/7/23/756842/-UnF ***ingbelievable:-Harry-Reid-Delays-HCR-Vote-FOR-THE-GOP!!
Turmoil (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6131535) :D

07-23-2009, 03:59 PM
TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-23-09 02:21 PM
Response to Original message (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6131535#6131535)
2. Harry Reid is the worst limp noodle in the history of the Democratic Party.

He is such a useless POS.

My...how the mighty have fallen. :rolleyes::D

07-23-2009, 04:03 PM
Awesome!! Now people have time to actually read the bill and consider it's implications.

07-23-2009, 04:16 PM
Awesome!! Now people have time to actually read the bill and consider it's implications.

You only have to read 16 pages to say "Hell no!".

07-23-2009, 04:21 PM
You only have to read 16 pages to say "Hell no!".

Actually, BadCat, not to be a dick, but I'm going to have to disagree with you based on something I read here. (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/07/page_16_of_the_house_health_ca.html)

"...Michelle Bachmann warns that "on the 16th page, it says whatever health care you have now, it’s going to be gone within five years."
...Sigh. Not really. Shadowfax does the lord's work and explains what's actually going on here. The short version is that your insurance doesn't become illegal. It just has to offer itself through the Exchange and follow the new rules, like not jacking up your prices because you had strep throat last year. As for the 93 percent of us who don't purchase coverage on the non-group market? Our insurers are unchanged. Scary, huh?"

There are plenty of reasons to hate this bill, starting with the government, and Obama, especially, wanting it, but we have to ensure that we're correct when we argue our case..

It does say that the government will restrict the rates, so page 16 does say that the government will be controlling even private insurance, and this is just illegal as hell!!! Enough government regulation, already!!

07-23-2009, 04:31 PM
This doesn't sound good...from page 16..

"Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day" of the year the legislation becomes law.

07-23-2009, 04:32 PM
This doesn't sound good...from page 16..

I agree, and maybe you're right... The wording is do damned convoluted and confusing that they could pull just about anything on us, and we'd never know until it's too late-that's the Obama M.O.

So much for the pathological liar's promise of transparency and leaving bills un-voted on for 7 days before taking them to the floor of the Senate in order that people have a chance to read it... I'm hoping the delay of the vote is a direct result of the rage the American citizens expressed after the Stimulus was rammed though with no members of Congress having the chance to read it...

07-23-2009, 05:08 PM
I read blogs to keep up with the important stuff, such as the scam called ObamaCare;

Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benes u get

Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!

Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose UR HC Benefits 4 you. U have no choice!

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided 2 ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access 2 individs finances & a National ID Healthcard will b issued!

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 ur banks accts 4 elect. funds transfer

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan 4 retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange 2 bring priv HC plans under Govt control.

PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs 4 priv. HC plans in the Exchange

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration ur Healthcare!

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic approp svcs. Example - Translation 4 illegal aliens

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps 2 sign up indiv. for Govt HC plan

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members - U Health care WILL b rationed

-PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will b automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice

pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monop

pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what u can make.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay 4 HC 4 part time employees AND their families.

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Emplyr w payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll

pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesnt prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC accrdng 2 Govt will be taxed 2.5% of inc

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from indiv. taxes. (Americans will pay)

Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access 2 ALL Americans finan/pers recs

PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that

Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician svcs 4 Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected

Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty u have, you'll all be paid the same

PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr's time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans.

PG 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries

PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs

PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals 4 what Govt deems preventable readmissions.

Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admiss that results in a readmiss-Govt will penalize u.

Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand

pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can u say ACORN?!!

Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates estab. of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority 2 disqual Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing peeps in2 Govt plan

Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs ppl! WTF. My sis has down syndrome!!

Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Cmtte. Can u say HC by phone?

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides apprvd list of end of life resources, guiding u in death

PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program 4 orders 4 end of life. The Govt has a say in how ur life ends

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "adv. care planning consult" will b used frequently as patients health deteriorates

PG 429 Lines 10-12 "adv. care consultation" may incl an ORDER 4 end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment u will have at end of life

Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?

Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based org. Like ACORN?

PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt in2 ur marriage

Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those svcs

I found this URL (http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2009/07/whats-in-healthacre-bill.html) on directorblue blog.