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Sonnabend
07-25-2009, 12:01 AM
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104524


The proposal there notes specifically that the "federal government was created by the states … to be an agent of the states," and the states currently "are treated as agents of the federal government," many times in violation of the Constitution.

Bright told WND the movement is spreading from state to state as fast as lawmakers discover it.

Michael Boldin, a spokesman for the Tenth Amendment Center, said his organization has created a posting for all such proposals to be tracked (http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/02/23/state-sovereignty-resolutions/).

Among the states where such proposals at least have been considered are Louisiana, Colorado, Wisconsin, Florida, Illinois, West Virginia, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Nevada, Oregon, Alabama, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, Idaho, New Mexico, South Dakota, Virginia, Kentucky, Alaska, Indiana, Tennessee, Arkansas, Minnesota, South Carolina, Georgia, Kansas, Texas, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Missouri, Iowa, Montana, Michigan, Arizona, Washington and Oklahoma.

In Louisiana, it passed the Senate in May and the House in June.

In Idaho, it passed the House in March and the Senate in April.

In North Dakota, it passed the House and Senate both in April, with the House a short time later adopting changes made by the Senate.

In South Dakota, it was approved by both houses of the Legislature and under that state's rules does not need the governor's signature.

In May, Rep. M.J. "Manny" Steele, a Republican in South Dakota, wrote that he believes up to $11 trillion is being wasted in the coming years by Washington's efforts "to duplicate and micromanage our states' affairs."

He said states should manage their own affairs and not be dependent on a federal cash cow to make ends meet. Likewise with industries, he said, citing federal cash dumps on the banking, insurance and automobile industries.
Note: I dont care who the source is, these are facts.

Obama has opened a can of worms even he wont be able to deal with.

stsinner
07-25-2009, 12:04 AM
Obama is just asking for an uprising... "Patrick Henry Style.."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hFiab7fjak&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abovetopsecret.com%2Fforum%2 Fthread483684%2Fpg1&feature=player_embedded

Jfor
07-25-2009, 12:04 AM
Sadly it won't get far in Alabama. While we may be a conservative state, the dems control our state legislature. At least for now.

Rockntractor
07-25-2009, 12:44 AM
The states that pass these measures are going to have to have the balls to back them up or they are meaningless! That means calling out their national guard and law enforcement if necessary to protect their citizens from the fed. I doubt very much they would take it that far!

Sonnabend
07-25-2009, 02:21 AM
It probably, in all fairness, wont get to that level. I do however, predict that the state governments will give Obama hell.

Y'know, speaking as an outsider...Obama may have given the GOP the ammo they need to stage a comeback. This may very well be what is needed to turn things around.

satanica
07-25-2009, 09:07 AM
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104524

Note: I dont care who the source is, these are facts.

Obama has opened a can of worms even he wont be able to deal with.

So what ?

The some red states govs want to break away.

The FACT is the people of these states DON'T agree with their idiotic govs.

satanica
07-25-2009, 09:08 AM
The states that pass these measures are going to have to have the balls to back them up or they are meaningless! That means calling out their national guard and law enforcement if necessary to protect their citizens from the fed. I doubt very much they would take it that far!

The FED trumps the states.

Thats why the guards are told to go to Iraq ...even if their govs don't agree.

Sonnabend
07-25-2009, 09:33 AM
So what ?

The some red states govs want to break away.

The FACT is the people of these states DON'T agree with their idiotic govs.

Yes, they do, as they voted them into office.

This will come down to the 10th Amendment. That these measures have been passed in some states is a harbinger of what is to come.


The FED trumps the states.

Wrong.


Thats why the guards are told to go to Iraq ...even if their govs don't agree.

Cases are not parallel.

One is concomitant with the role of the Commander in Chief, the other is political and comes down to states rights...which is where this is headed.

satanica
07-25-2009, 09:39 AM
Yes, they do, as they voted them into office.

I have links...what do you have ? A VAST majority of Texans are dead set against Perrys vision.

Maybe you can't see that from Australia, but trust me on this.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4GGIH_enUS287US287&ei=vgprStveH5WINoOF9fgG&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=texas+poll+secession&spell=1

Sonnabend
07-25-2009, 09:46 AM
I have links...what do you have ? A VAST majority of Texans are dead set against Perrys vision.

Maybe you can't see that from Australia, but trust me on this.

There's a larger picture here that you are missing. That these measures are being passed, that any state is even considering this path is proof that Obama has stepped into a minefield of major proportion.

I have been watching US politics for over forty years. I can recite many cases that affected US history, one of my high school projects was Dred Scott, another were the laws that allowed South Africa to enact apartheid..it was in a graduate class in constitutional law.

That this is even happening, is what I could realistically assess as close to open rebellion.

This couild conceivably turn into a Constitutional crisis...the measures passed in Texas passed their SENATE, which means it has major support.

Dont you get it yet?

This entire health care plan could be construed as a massive attack on state's rights, and as such Obama has accomplished was no other President has done before him...recreate the atmosphere that existed prior to 1863.

Open civil war? No, of course not. A major dispute that could and probably WILL wind up in the U.S.S.C?

What if the U.S.S.C rules in favour of the states? Can't happen? Yes it bloody well could.

satanica
07-25-2009, 09:50 AM
There's a larger picture here that you are missing. That these measures are being passed, that any state is even considering this path is proof that Obama has stepped into a minefield of major proportion.

I have been watching US politics for over forty years. I can recite many cases that affected US history, one of my high school projects was Dred Scott, another were the laws that allowed South Africa to enact apartheid..it was in a graduate class in constitutional law.

That this is even happening, is what I could realistically assess as close to open rebellion.

This couild conceivably turn into a Constitutional crisis...the measures passed in Texas passed their SENATE, which means it has major support.

Dont you get it yet?

This entire health care plan could be construed as a massive attack on state's rights, and as such Obama has accomplished was no other President has done before him...recreate the atmosphere that existed prior to 1863.

Open civil war? No, of course not. A major dispute that could and probably WILL wind up in the U.S.S.C?

What if the U.S.S.C rules in favour of the states? Can't happen? Yes it bloody well could.


Who cares ?

The ONLY red state that can survive on it's own is Texas.

The other red states depend on the blue states to stay alive.

If they break away they will die a horrible death, and as the state slips away into poverty the people will flee for a better state.

Get it ? ...In the USA we practice socialism, ALL the states pitch into a general fund that then is used to help the less fortunate (red states)

If the money was cut off, these states would die.

Sonnabend
07-25-2009, 09:52 AM
Who cares ? The ONLY red state that can survive on it's own is Texas. The other red states depend on the blue states to stay alive.

Uh, the only one that believes that is you. In truth, you are wrong.


If the money was cut off, these states would die.

Santayana. No one reads Santayana any more.

satanica
07-25-2009, 09:55 AM
Uh, the only one that believes that is you. In truth, you are wrong.


Sorry, In America this is how it works.

Some states are donor states, they give the US Government more than they get back...and some get back more than they give.

This is a fact. This is how OUR tax system works.

Are we clear ? ...THIS IS A FACT.

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/1457/donor.png

Sonnabend
07-25-2009, 09:57 AM
1. Post numbers, not a map.

2. Whats the date of that map, and what is its provenance. I.e : Where did it come from.

satanica
07-25-2009, 09:59 AM
1. Post numbers, not a map.

2. Whats the date of that map, and what is its provenance. I.e : Where did it come from.

Why would that matter ?

You claimed our states don't pay taxes to the government, therfore they can never be a donor state or a subsidized state.

Are you saying they DO pay taxes to the government ?

Sonnabend
07-25-2009, 10:04 AM
Why would that matter ?I want to know where that map came from. What data was used to compile it. The address of that map says imageshack.

Again: WHERE did you get it and what is its source.

Answer me or I discount that map as bullshit. I want hard data proving your assertion


You claimed our states don't pay taxes to the government, therfore they can never be a donor state or a subsidized state.I never said that. Liar. I asked you where that map came from.


Are you saying they DO pay taxes to the government ?I am well aware of how the taxes work.

WHERE did that map come from, and if you are going to make that assertion i want data.

Figures.
Dates.
Breakdown state by state.

Prove what you say.

satanica
07-25-2009, 10:07 AM
I want to know where that map came from. What data was used to compile it.


Thats easy. I will post the link, and then you will dismiss it. Like usual.



Answer me or I discount that map as bullshit. I want hard data proving your assertion


As if you won't 'discount" the link as bullshit

http://www.sustainablemiddleclass.com/Subsidized-Red-Donor-Blue.html

Sonnabend
07-25-2009, 10:10 AM
Fiscal Year 2002 Data Source: The Tax Foundation, The World Almanac and Book of Facts 2005

That map is seven years old.

How about some recent data, thanks?

stsinner
07-25-2009, 10:10 AM
Thats easy. I will post the link, and then you will dismiss it. Like usual.





As if you won't 'discount" the link as bullshit

http://www.sustainablemiddleclass.com/Subsidized-Red-Donor-Blue.html

Hey, little fella-quit being an asshole.. Sonnabend is going to hand you your ass on this one, I assure you.. He knows more about America than most Americans I know (so you can stop with the Aussie insults, as well).

Also, you really don't think Alaska could survive on its own when it owns the oil?? Really..

Rockntractor
07-25-2009, 10:11 AM
It probably, in all fairness, wont get to that level. I do however, predict that the state governments will give Obama hell.

Y'know, speaking as an outsider...Obama may have given the GOP the ammo they need to stage a comeback. This may very well be what is needed to turn things around.

I do think the states movements are the only hope we have. If the states will stand firm Obama will be the one to back down. If one state knuckles under the rest will fall!

Jfor
07-25-2009, 10:11 AM
If I recall that map and data have already been dismissed as BS.

satanica
07-25-2009, 10:12 AM
If I recall that map and data have already been dismissed as BS.

Then link it.

"as I recall"

Jeeeesh, for real ?

Sonnabend
07-25-2009, 10:13 AM
I acknowledge the map as genuine.

The data is genuine too.

In 2002.

This is JuLY 2009.

I want data from last year as a benchmark to assess said map.

Find it.

satanica
07-25-2009, 10:13 AM
Fiscal Year 2002 Data Source: The Tax Foundation, The World Almanac and Book of Facts 2005

That map is seven years old.

How about some recent data, thanks?

I knew it.

The map is older, but the information is accurate.

Here is a newer study for you to discount. http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/sr139.pdf

stsinner
07-25-2009, 10:14 AM
The FACT is the people of these states DON'T agree with their idiotic govs.

Bullshit! The ghetto dwellers don't agree with their governments-they love the free shit Obama is throwing around.. The working (middle class) can't stand Obama and don't want to be under his oppressive thumb any more.. Didn't you read the AP poll I posted yesterday, little fella?

Jfor
07-25-2009, 10:15 AM
Then link it.

"as I recall"

Jeeeesh, for real ?

I call BS on the map because how can California be a donor state? Simple, easy question.

stsinner
07-25-2009, 10:16 AM
I call BS on the map because how can California be a donor state? Simple, easy question.

I said the same thing.... California isn't donating a damed thing besides crimigrants.

Sonnabend
07-25-2009, 10:17 AM
That's 2006

I said RECENT. As in the last 12 months.

As in anything that is three years old is old data, and not applicable, as the circumstances have changed, and the economy has changed, and tax revenues have changed.

Three years old is credible for 2006 but I want the last 12 months. Find that for me, post it, I give you my word I will read it, and see what it says.

If it backs your assertion. then i will state I agree with it. and with you.

Three year old data is not usable.

satanica
07-25-2009, 10:18 AM
I call BS on the map because how can California be a donor state? Simple, easy question.

They are the 8th largest economy on the PLANET ...and you have the nerve to ask "how can they be a donor state"?

They create more money than any other state in our nation. and create more money that nearly every nation on earth.

If they didn't have to flip the bill for the red states, and was able to keep ALL their money, they would be doing alot better. Same with my state, but you red states NEED the money to survive.

BadCat
07-25-2009, 10:19 AM
He just loves that map, don't know why.

HE himself is a leech on society but he wants to make fun of states that are in the same situation he is in.

Rockntractor
07-25-2009, 10:20 AM
Fine! Another morning of let's talk in circles with the board troll! Later gentleman.

satanica
07-25-2009, 10:20 AM
That's 2006

I said RECENT. As in the last 12 months.

As in anything that is three years old is old data, and not applicable, as the circumstances have changed, and the economy has changed, and tax revenues have changed.

Three years old is credible for 2006 but I want the last 12 months. Find that for me, post it, I give you my word I will read it, and see what it says.

If it backs your assertion. then i will state I agree with it. and with you.

Three year old data is not usable.

This article is from 2008. and ...are you claiming these nymbers are wrong ? ..or are you claiming they have flipped ?

Third link now ....get ready to shoot it down.

And OH ...BTW ....can you provide even ONE LINK that shows I am wrong ?


Northern "'donor states' subsidizing their Southern counterparts"

http://www.flapolitics.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3311

satanica
07-25-2009, 10:21 AM
He just loves that map, don't know why.

HE himself is a leech on society but he wants to make fun of states that are in the same situation he is in.

I love hard stats to.

I suppose these numbers are wrong ?

http://www.flapolitics.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3311

http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/sr139.pdf

BadCat
07-25-2009, 10:22 AM
This article is from 2008. and ...are you claiming these nymbers are wrong ? ..or are you claiming they have flipped ?

Third link now ....get ready to shoot it down.

And OH ...BTW ....can you provide even ONE LINK that shows I am wrong ?


Northern "'donor states' subsidizing their Southern counterparts"

http://www.flapolitics.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3311

When (and you never will) you become a "donor" to the system, then you can play with your map some more.

Sonnabend
07-25-2009, 10:22 AM
They create more money than any other state in our nation. and create more money that nearly every nation on earth.

Is that why they are issuing IOU's and the governor is working like mad to fix a major deficit?

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a3mnoYUFbLhI


uly 23 (Bloomberg) -- California lawmakers have begun debate on a deal Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Arnold+Schwarzenegger&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1) and legislative leaders crafted to close a $26 billion deficit that pushed the most-populous U.S. state to the brink of insolvency.


If they didn't have to flip the bill for the red states, and was able to keep ALL their money, they would be doing alot better. Same with my state, but you red states NEED the money to survive.

California opened the door to illegals. Their social services and welfare crap have drained the public purse dry.


In hosting America's largest population of illegal immigrants, California bears a huge cost to provide basic human services for this fast growing, low-income segment of its population. A new study from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) examines the costs of education, health care and incarceration of illegal aliens, and concludes that the costs to Californians is $10.5 billion per year.

Source (http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigrationnaturalizatio/a/caillegals.htm)

satanica
07-25-2009, 10:23 AM
Is that why they are issuing IOU's and the governor is working like mad to fix a major deficit?



Look...

Bottom line.

"Are you claiming the numbers in 2002 and 2004 are wrong "?

Sonnabend
07-25-2009, 10:24 AM
http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/sr139.pdf

The article you posted is dated MARCH 2006.

Jfor
07-25-2009, 10:24 AM
This article is from 2008. and ...are you claiming these nymbers are wrong ? ..or are you claiming they have flipped ?

Third link now ....get ready to shoot it down.

And OH ...BTW ....can you provide even ONE LINK that shows I am wrong ?


Northern "'donor states' subsidizing their Southern counterparts"

http://www.flapolitics.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3311


Alright man, try and find somebody who writes an article who is NOT a liberal douche from HuffPo.

Sonnabend
07-25-2009, 10:25 AM
"Are you claiming the numbers in 2002 and 2004 are wrong "?

They are OUT OF DATE.

When i do a budget projection, I do it on current data, not data that is three years old.

satanica
07-25-2009, 10:25 AM
http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/sr139.pdf

The article you posted is dated MARCH 2006.


"Are you claiming the numbers in 2002 and 2004 are wrong "?

satanica
07-25-2009, 10:26 AM
They are OUT OF DATE.

When i do a budget projection, I do it on current data, not data that is three years old.

But they DO show who pays for who.

I win again.

Obama wins by a landslide - in Australia
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/obama-wins-by-a-landslide--in-australia/2008/09/29/1222650989574.html

Sonnabend
07-25-2009, 10:27 AM
"Are you claiming the numbers in 2002 and 2004 are wrong "?

They ARE FIVE YEARS OLD.

Get me data from 2008.

BadCat
07-25-2009, 10:28 AM
But they DO show who pays for who.

I win again.

Obama wins by a landslide - in Australia
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/obama-wins-by-a-landslide--in-australia/2008/09/29/1222650989574.html

Victories must have been very far and few in your life.

Sonnabend
07-25-2009, 10:28 AM
But they DO show who pays for who.

I win again.based on data that is out of date and therefore unusable


Obama wins by a landslide - in Australia
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...650989574.html (http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/obama-wins-by-a-landslide--in-australia/2008/09/29/1222650989574.html)IRRELEVANT to the topic at hand.

Straw man.

Unicorn

And has nothing to do with state taxes which is what is being discussed here.

Again.

I want data on state by state taxes from the last 12 months.

Find it.

satanica
07-25-2009, 10:31 AM
They ARE FIVE YEARS OLD.

Get me data from 2008.

Does the data show donor states and subsidized states ?

Yes it does.

I win again....here are more links for you to dismiss.

So far you have provided NO LINKS OR SOURCES to prove me wrong.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/1397.html

http://blog.sustainablemiddleclass.com/?tag=tax-donor-states

http://www.heartland.org/publications/budget%20tax/article/22442/Some_States_Get_Fat_Others_Fleeced.html

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGIH_enUS287US287&q=tax+foundation+donor+states

Sonnabend
07-25-2009, 10:33 AM
Either find me data from 2008 or admit you dont know what you are on about

satanica
07-25-2009, 10:35 AM
Either find me data from 2008 or admit you dont know what you are on about

They didn't do a study in 2008

Are you telling me that New York Cali and Illinois are now subsidized ? ...LOL

I am begging you to post one witty bitty link that shows I am wrong.

Last chance....I posted many many links that showed in recent years who was paying who. You have posted NOTHING.

Sonnabend
07-25-2009, 10:39 AM
hey didn't do a study in 2008Then you have no valid data with which to verify your claim.


Are you telling me that New York Cali and Illinois are now subsidized ? ...LOLI want recent datas.


I am begging you to post one witty bitty link that shows I am wrong.I do not do projections based on three year old data. I do not accept assertions based on data which is out of date and therefore irrelevant

When i do a roster I dont use lists of personnel from 2006.When I do a budget I dont use revenues from 2006...because this isnt 2006. It's 2009.


Last chance....I posted many many links that showed in recent years who was paying who. You have posted NOTHING.I dont have to.

You made the claim, now you back it up with data that is usable and has provenance.

satanica
07-25-2009, 10:44 AM
Then you have no valid data with which to verify your claim.

The Tax Foundations most recent study from 2006 is what I have.

You have provided NOTHING....not one link.



I do not do projections based on three year old data. I do not accept assertikons based on data which is out of date and therefore irrelevant

Not true, The repubs are screaming about a debt that is SPECULATED to be a certain number TEN YEARS in the future. They also did this with Clinton and got it all wrong,.

Here we are.

I provided data from the most recent study that backs up my claim

You provided NOTHING

Last chance with me.

Post just one witty bitty link that shows I am wrong

Or we are done.

Sonnabend
07-25-2009, 10:55 AM
Not true, The repubs are screaming about a debt that is SPECULATED to be a certain number TEN YEARS in the future. They also did this with Clinton and got it all wrong,.

That's a projection. Projections are always spurious as they may have no basis in fact when the date actually rolls around.

However if I was to go to my boss and hand him a fiscal projection based on 2006 data he'd throw me out.

The GOP is using data from now.

Here's something,. however.

I am speaking to a Californian who provides the following:

Blue states are more highly populated, do not produce as much, are welfare havens such as California, do not produce as much energy. If all the fat and pork was cut out, the blue states would fall to pieces.

California is one of the highest rated states with the highest per capita rate of illegals ( they have 12 percent of the US population), however on a state basis, they have a 32 percent welfare load.

http://chuck80.com/email/20090716/graphic3.png

Based on that alone, if the blue states did not get federal revenue, then their entire fabric would fall apart.

satanica
07-25-2009, 10:59 AM
Still ....NO LINK.

LAST LAST chance.


Post a link that shows the Tax Foundation numbers are wrong

satanica
07-25-2009, 11:30 AM
This is how it ends between you and I

You claim Texans are behind Perrys vision to break away.

I post this link proving you wrong. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/texas/in_texas_31_say_state_has_right_to_secede_from_u_s _but_75_opt_to_stay

You outright dismiss the link and still insist I am wrong ...you offer no link or source to back this up.

I win.

I then claim most donor states are blue..

You claim I am wrong.

I post this link and many many others to back up my claim. http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/sr139.pdf

You again...outright dismiss all of the links and insist I am wrong....you then again offer no links or sources to back this up.

I Win Again.

You have murdered debate, take a bow. We are done.

BadCat
07-25-2009, 11:35 AM
You posted 2006 data on your "donor" states.
Who was President in 2006?
What was the unemployment rate in 2006?
What was the deficit in 2006?

All those things have changed, therefore your map and its conclusions are currently not worth the bits it is rendered with.

Nubs
07-25-2009, 11:40 AM
This is how it ends between you and I

You claim Texans are behind Perrys vision to break away.

I post this link proving you wrong. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/texas/in_texas_31_say_state_has_right_to_secede_from_u_s _but_75_opt_to_stay

You outright dismiss the link and still insist I am wrong ...you offer no link or source to back this up.

I win.

I then claim most donor states are blue..

You claim I am wrong.

I post this link and many many others to back up my claim. http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/sr139.pdf

You again...outright dismiss all of the links and insist I am wrong....you then again offer no links or sources to back this up.

I Win Again.

You have murdered debate, take a bow. We are done.


Wow, your internet penis is massive there Devils Douchebag.

satanica
07-25-2009, 11:45 AM
You posted 2006 data on your "donor" states.
Who was President in 2006?
What was the unemployment rate in 2006?
What was the deficit in 2006?

All those things have changed, therefore your map and its conclusions are currently not worth the bits it is rendered with.


Prove it. Link please.

I backed up my claim.

BadCat
07-25-2009, 11:47 AM
Prove it. Link please.

I backed up my claim.

LOL!

You really are as stupid as you look.

Sonnabend
07-25-2009, 11:48 AM
I backed up my claim.

With data that is years old and irrelevant.

Get me 2008 data.

BadCat
07-25-2009, 11:55 AM
Here's one for you...

http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=usunemployment&met=unemployment_rate&idim=state:ST170000&q=illinois+unemployment+rate

Notice that nice 3.6% unemployment number in 11/06 when GWB was President?
Notice where it is now that Obumble is President?

That's a lot more people sucking off the federal tit. Your "donor" numbers are going to be significantly lower now because:

Those people aren't paying taxes anymore.
They are receiving government money.

California is even worse than IL. Your numbers are out of date, and in the current economy, worthless.

satanica
07-25-2009, 11:57 AM
Here's one for you...

http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=usunemployment&met=unemployment_rate&idim=state:ST170000&q=illinois+unemployment+rate

Notice that nice 3.6% unemployment number in 11/06 when GWB was President?
Notice where it is now that Obumble is President?

That's a lot more people sucking off the federal tit. Your "donor" numbers are going to be significantly lower now because:

Those people aren't paying taxes anymore.
They are receiving government money.

California is even worse than IL. Your numbers are out of date, and in the current economy, worthless.

That link doesn't show the Tax Foundation numbers are wrong.

The base of your argument is that Cali, NY, and Illinois are subsidized. ...good luck with that.

BadCat
07-25-2009, 12:02 PM
That link doesn't show the Tax Foundation numbers are wrong.

The base of your argument is that Cali, NY, and Illinois are subsidized. ...good luck with that.

The basis of our argument is that your "data" is out of date.

satanica
07-25-2009, 12:04 PM
The basis of our argument is that your "data" is out of date.

And your data doesn't exist at all ...ever ....anywhere.

Are you telling me NY and Ill. are donor states ?

BadCat
07-25-2009, 12:06 PM
And your data doesn't exist at all ...ever ....anywhere.

Are you telling me NY and Ill. are donor states ?

They may well be at this point.
Your data is old.
Unemployment was around 5%, the Dow was near 13000.

Things have changed.

satanica
07-25-2009, 12:12 PM
They may well be at this point.
Your data is old.
Unemployment was around 5%, the Dow was near 13000.

Things have changed.

Link ?

You can't just make a claim. Back it up.

Sonnabend
07-25-2009, 12:13 PM
You can't just make a claim. Back it up.

Post data on taxes state by state from the last 12 months.

Put up or shut up.

BadCat
07-25-2009, 12:15 PM
Link ?

You can't just make a claim. Back it up.

You don't think things have changed?

You don't think unemployment is much higher?

You don't think tax revenues are down because of it?

You don't think more people are collecting government "benefits"?

satanica
07-25-2009, 12:17 PM
You don't think things have changed?



Oh, things HAVE changed...

But NY Cali and Illinois are still donor states.

Do you guys have a link to show the Tax Foundation numbers are wrong ? ...and that things have changed the numbers ?

They don't do this study every year because things don't change that much.

I posted a link for 2002 ....and 2006. ...not much change.

This is why the study isn't run every year.

Sonnabend
07-25-2009, 12:24 PM
Do you guys have a link to show the Tax Foundation numbers are wrong ? ...and that things have changed the numbers ?

They don't do this study every year because things don't change that much.

BWAHAHAHA!!!!!

Are you going to sit there and tell me that the last twelve months have had NO EFFECT on the taxes sent to, and received by, and disbursed from, the government????

You have GOT to be kidding.

BadCat
07-25-2009, 12:26 PM
You're a "carpenter", I assume you have at least some capability in logic?

IL tax revenues as of 7/21..

-12.7% Personal Income Taxes
-18.7% Corporate Income Taxes
-9.4% Sales Taxes

Compared to Q1 of 2009.

http://illinoispolicyinstitute.org/blog/blog.asp?ArticleSource=1205

Which is better than the National Average.

IL MAY still be a donor state, it MAY not be. Your unemployment is up almost 8% over 2006, those people are receiving government money.

So you have less money coming in and more money going out. I would guess your "donor" status is questionable at best for 2009.

satanica
07-25-2009, 01:00 PM
IL MAY still be a donor state, it MAY not be. .

In 1989 Illinois ranked 46th http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-3991530.html

In 2005 they ranked 45th http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/266.html

But in the last two years everything has flipped on it's head ? ...give me a break.

Do you have ANY LINKS that prove this have changed so much that Ill. and NY are subsidized states ?

Sonnabend
07-25-2009, 01:05 PM
But in the last two years everything has flipped on it's head ? ...give me a break.

Have you been ASLEEP for the last 12 months? :eek:

Data from 2005 is PRIOR to the current economic downturn and is useless for any kind of analysis. If you are going to show proof of your assertion along with numbers, get me data from the last 12months

Or admit you DONT KNOW because the data you have is out of date and next to useless. Trends that happened in 2005 do not apply today.

Welfare for one, taxes based on actual working people vs the unemployed whose numbers are growing daily..and if you are going to tell me that tax revenues stay the same regardless of a major surge in unemployment, you're a bigger fool than I imagined

Hard data from 12 months ago, or admit you dont have the current figures and cannot accurately advise what the tax levels are, and who is donating to who.

BadCat
07-25-2009, 01:13 PM
You know Sonna, we've been thinking Satin here has been collecting unemployment checks.

I think they're actually disability checks...the mental kind.

satanica
07-25-2009, 01:14 PM
Have you been ASLEEP for the last 12 months? :eek:

Data from 2005 is PRIOR to the current economic downturn and is useless for any kind of analysis. If you are going to show proof of your assertion along with numbers, get me data from the last 12months

Or admit you DONT KNOW because the data you have is out of date and next to useless. Trends that happened in 2005 do not apply today.

Welfare for one, taxes based on actual working people vs the unemployed whose numbers are growing daily..and if you are going to tell me that tax revenues stay the same regardless of a major surge in unemployment, you're a bigger fool than I imagined

Hard data from 12 months ago, or admit you dont have the current figures and cannot accurately advise what the tax levels are, and who is donating to who.

Here is current data... http://www.revenue.state.il.us/AboutIdor/TaxStats

Now what ?

Sonnabend
07-25-2009, 01:18 PM
Good. 2008..excellent.

This is Illinois. One state.

Now then....the rest of the US please? And the data on who sent who taxes, and how much and when,

An up to date version of that map is what I want to see..with hard numbers as to who is a "donor state" and who is not.

satanica
07-25-2009, 01:27 PM
Good. 2008..excellent.

This is Illinois. One state.

Now then....the rest of the US please? And the data on who sent who taxes, and how much and when,

An up to date version of that map is what I want to see..with hard numbers as to who is a "donor state" and who is not.

Ya see, in the USA all states have the same kind of website.

Can you admit you are wrong ?

BadCat
07-25-2009, 01:39 PM
Ya see, in the USA all states have the same kind of website.

Can you admit you are wrong ?

He's not wrong.
And you're not right.

satanica
07-25-2009, 01:42 PM
He's not wrong.
And you're not right.

But MY links PROVE that the things have not changed enough for the whole ranking to flip on it's head.

In fact we are collecting MORE revenue than before ...you couldn't be more wrong.

IN FACT, CHECK EVERY SINGLE STATE ..I AM RIGHT. http://www.aicpa.org/yellow/yptsgus.htm

I WIN AGAIN.

This downturn was national.

BadCat
07-25-2009, 01:45 PM
But MY links PROVE that the things have not changed enough for the whole ranking to flip on it's head.

In fact we are collecting MORE revenue than before ...you couldn't be more wrong.

IN FACT, CHECK EVERY SINGLE STATE ..I AM RIGHT. http://www.aicpa.org/yellow/yptsgus.htm

I WIN AGAIN.

This downturn was national.

Your unemployment is up almost 8%.
That's a lot more sponges like you sucking on the govt. tit.
Your tax revenues are DOWN.
I highly doubt that IL is donating anything to anyone beside it's own.

satanica
07-25-2009, 01:48 PM
Your unemployment is up almost 8%.
That's a lot more sponges like you sucking on the govt. tit.
Your tax revenues are DOWN.
I highly doubt that IL is donating anything to anyone beside it's own.

So ?

When I claim that NY and ILL are donor states it is a 100% fact.

For 10 pages you and sonnabend have asked fror recent numbers. I then provided recent numbers for every single state in our nation. http://www.aicpa.org/yellow/yptsgus.htm

And you still can't admit you are wrong.

Why would you even demand recent numbers if you are just going to reject them anyway ?

BadCat
07-25-2009, 01:52 PM
Geez, man, your link takes me to a website that wants to help me fill out my IL state taxes.

Try this one...

http://illinoispolicyinstitute.org/blog/blog.asp?ArticleSource=1205


Coupled with this one...

http://www.propublica.org/feature/illinois-unemployment-insurance-fund-goes-broke-717

Looks more like a banana republic than a state.

satanica
07-25-2009, 01:55 PM
this is the link genius.
http://www.aicpa.org/yellow/yptsgus.htm

Third time now.

BadCat
07-25-2009, 01:57 PM
this is the link genius.
http://www.aicpa.org/yellow/yptsgus.htm

Third time now.

Yeah, I went there.
Then I went to Illinois.

It wants me to save a tree by filing electronically.

satanica
07-25-2009, 02:03 PM
Yeah, I went there.
Then I went to Illinois.

It wants me to save a tree by filing electronically.

Yep. Thats called "The Illinois Revenue Service"

Every state has one and this link http://www.aicpa.org/yellow/yptsgus. goes to every one.

On the Illinois Revenue site you will find tax stats ...just like every other site.

Here it is.. http://www.revenue.state.il.us/AboutIdor/TaxStats

What country do you live in ? ...what I just told you is widely known.

satanica
07-25-2009, 02:05 PM
Notice how Sonna has admitted defeat and 'cut and run' ?

You should do the same.

Why in the world would you demand recent data and then reject it when I provide it ?

lacarnut
07-25-2009, 02:05 PM
Yeah, I went there.
Then I went to Illinois.

It wants me to save a tree by filing electronically.

At the start, it looks like dollar bills or paper is falling out of the tree. A dummie must have designed that site.

satanica
07-25-2009, 02:06 PM
i Win

Again

T PLAN
07-25-2009, 02:32 PM
Recent defector from the Conservative Forum.
Glad I made it over here. Looks like a great group.

Regardless of the extended outcome the states decisions, it is a huge step in the right direction.
Not only does it send a message to the feds, but to each states citizens that their local officials are watching out for them.

Rockntractor
07-25-2009, 02:36 PM
Recent defector from the Conservative Forum.
Glad I made it over here. Looks like a great group.

Regardless of the extended outcome the states decisions, it is a huge step in the right direction.
Not only does it send a message to the feds, but it each states citizens that their local officials are watching out for them.

I hope you are conservative. We are over run with whiney ass liberals right now!

T PLAN
07-25-2009, 02:40 PM
100 percent. thank you

Rockntractor
07-25-2009, 02:47 PM
100 percent. thank you

Welcome and glad to have yah!

satanica
07-25-2009, 02:49 PM
Yeah, I went there.
Then I went to Illinois.

It wants me to save a tree by filing electronically.

Thats the home page genius.

Hit the link for tax stats

All the states have this...welcome to the USA...

satanica
07-25-2009, 02:51 PM
This is the direct link for the taxes.

You asked for it ...and there it is. http://www.revenue.state.il.us/AboutIdor/TaxStats

You and sonna are wrong.

You and the foreigner demanded the recent numbers, I gave them to you.

And you reject them anyway. Notice how sonna ran away and hid under her bed ?

I WIN

lacarnut
07-25-2009, 03:04 PM
Coupled with this one...

http://www.propublica.org/feature/illinois-unemployment-insurance-fund-goes-broke-717

Looks more like a banana republic than a state.

Or Katrina beauties lined up around that building. Don't worry, the Obama thugs are going to take care of the downtrodden like Satty.

satanica
07-25-2009, 03:36 PM
Or Katrina beauties lined up around that building. Don't worry, the Obama thugs are going to take care of the downtrodden like Satty.

Yep, Obama is going to throw us white guys in concentration camps and then kill us off to save on health care costs.

WE BOTH AGREE.

Obama must be stopped before his evil agenda is put into action.

Teetop
07-25-2009, 03:44 PM
But MY links PROVE that the things have not changed enough for the whole ranking to flip on it's head.

In fact we are collecting MORE revenue than before ...you couldn't be more wrong.

IN FACT, CHECK EVERY SINGLE STATE ..I AM RIGHT. http://www.aicpa.org/yellow/yptsgus.htm

I WIN AGAIN.

This downturn was national.

Care to explain why Texas unemployment is so low? Texas isn't hurting like the lieberal utopias are...

satanica
07-25-2009, 03:49 PM
Care to explain why Texas unemployment is so low? Texas isn't hurting like the lieberal utopias are...

Texas is a donor state, one of the few red states that are.

Most red states depend on the taxes from the blue states

I suggest you read the thread

Teetop
07-25-2009, 03:53 PM
The FED trumps the states.

Thats why the guards are told to go to Iraq ...even if their govs don't agree.

Wrong...

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

DUmbass, the Constitution is not a living document.

Teetop
07-25-2009, 03:55 PM
Texas is a donor state, one of the few red states that are.

Most red states depend on the taxes from the blue states

I suggest you read the thread

I suggest you grow a brain. I just read the thread. People ask for up to date information and you go off on some idiotic tangent about "Are you saying the information is wrong?" No moron, they are saying your information is outdated. :rolleyes:

satanica
07-25-2009, 04:00 PM
I suggest you grow a brain. I just read the thread. People ask for up to date information and you go off on some idiotic tangent about "Are you saying the information is wrong?" No moron, they are saying your information is outdated. :rolleyes:

I then provided updated info for illinois9and every other state)...because sonnabend wass demanding it for 10 pages

And sonnabend NEVER POSTED AGAIN.

Poof ...gone.

As soon as provided her with what she demanded, she CUT AND RAN

Thats called checkmate. I will not spend time to teach you what I already taught sonnabend...read the thread

Rockntractor
07-25-2009, 04:01 PM
I then provided updated info for illinois9and every other state)...because sonnabend wass demanding it for 10 pages

And sonnabend NEVER POSTED AGAIN.

Poof ...gone.

As soon as provided her with what she demanded, she CUT AND RAN

Thats called checkmate. I will not spend time to teach you what I already taught sonnabend...read the thread

You are a dip shit. Time zones you idiot!

satanica
07-25-2009, 04:02 PM
they are saying your information is outdated. :rolleyes:

This info is on every state, and is 100% up to date. http://tax.illinois.gov/AboutIdor/TaxStats

Sonnabend demanded this for pages and pages in this thread. I posted it and she RAN AWAY.

I suggest you do the same.

Teetop
07-25-2009, 04:24 PM
This info is on every state, and is 100% up to date. http://tax.illinois.gov/AboutIdor/TaxStats

Sonnabend demanded this for pages and pages in this thread. I posted it and she RAN AWAY.

I suggest you do the same.


State Budget Report
•Comptroller Report (from 2008 IL-1040 booklet)


IDOR Annual Report
•2008 | 2007 | 2006 | 2005 | 2004 | Previous Years

Income Tax Statistics
•Individual Income Tax Return Data (TY 07) | Excel


Local Government Statistics
•Payments (total payments made to municipalities & counties for FY)
2004 | 2003 | 2002 | 2001 | 2000 | 1999
•Monthly Disbursements to local governments
•Replacement Taxes by county
•Other Local Government Statistics


Property Tax Statistics
•2006 | 2005 | 2004 | 2003 | 2002 | 2001 | 2000 | 1999


•Statistics Reported in Table 1, Table 2, and Table 3


•Table 1, Assessment Ratio Levels
2006 | 2005 | 2004 | 2003 | 2002 | 2001 | 2000 | 1999
1998 | 1997 | 1996 | 1995 | 1994 | 1993 | 1992 | 1991 | 1990


•Table 2, Urban-Weighted Median Ratios
2007 | 2006 | 2005 | 2004 | 2003 | 2002 | 2001 | 2000 | 1999


•Table 3, Final Multipliers
2007 | 2006 | 2005 | 2004 | 2003 | 2002 | 2001 | 2000 | 1999


Sales Tax Statistics
•Standard Industrial Classification (SIC) Code Reporting
•Sales Tax for April 2009 (sequenced by SIC)
•Sales Tax for March 2009 (sequenced by SIC)
•Sales Tax for 1st Quarter 2009 (sequenced by SIC)
•Sales Tax for 4th Quarter 2008 (sequenced by SIC)
•Sales Tax for 2008 Annual Report (sequenced by SIC)
•Sales Tax for 2007 Fiscal Year Report (sequenced by SIC)

Two from 2008, not including sales tax statistics.

What was that you were saying about every state? :cool:

Lieberals lie, they always lie.:rolleyes:

satanica
07-25-2009, 04:29 PM
What was that you were saying about every state? :cool:

:

Like I said, I won't take the time to teach you this...if you had REALLY read the thread, you would have noticed this link many many times.

http://www.aicpa.org/yellow/yptsgus.htm

Rockntractor
07-25-2009, 04:45 PM
Like I said, I won't take the time to teach you this...if you had REALLY read the thread, you would have noticed this link many many times.

http://www.aicpa.org/yellow/yptsgus.htm

Anybody that has the time to read your threads needs to get a life!

satanica
07-25-2009, 04:49 PM
Anybody that has the time to read your threads needs to get a life!

It's not my thread.

Pay attention junior.

Teetop
07-25-2009, 04:49 PM
Like I said, I won't take the time to teach you this...if you had REALLY read the thread, you would have noticed this link many many times.

http://www.aicpa.org/yellow/yptsgus.htm

I realize all states have tax facts online, all are not up to date. I proved that with your URL to Illinios.

By the way, what does this have to do with the initial thread topic?

It doesn't....

Rockntractor
07-25-2009, 04:51 PM
It's not my thread.

Pay attention junior.

I need you to upload some decent pictures for me to work with. Pay attention and get the lighting correct this time.

satanica
07-25-2009, 04:53 PM
I need you to upload some decent pictures for me to work with. Pay attention and get the lighting correct this time.

How does it feel to live in a state that depends on SOCIALISM ?

I live in a donor state.

Rockntractor
07-25-2009, 04:55 PM
How does it feel to live in a state that depends on SOCIALISM ?

I live in a donor state.

How do you feel being a failure at every thing you have ever done? Were you raised by conservative parents?

satanica
07-25-2009, 04:56 PM
How do you feel being a failure at every thing you have ever done? Were you raised by conservative parents?

Your state depends on SOCIALISM.

Rockntractor
07-25-2009, 05:03 PM
Your state depends on SOCIALISM.
I honesly don't give a shit. I don't own the state and all i can take care of is myself. How were you raised blarch were your parents conservative or liberal. Mine voted republican but they ere pacifists. What is your background!

Rockntractor
07-25-2009, 05:08 PM
Your state depends on SOCIALISM.

You really fear people knowing about you. What is so bad? Why should you feel like you need a name lke satanica?

satanica
07-25-2009, 05:13 PM
Why should you feel like you need a name lke satanica?


This coming from a guy named "Rockentractor"

satanica is a name from a sceen play.

satanica
07-25-2009, 05:14 PM
You really fear people knowing about you. ?


I posted my picture.

Did you ?

Thats what I thought.

Rockntractor
07-25-2009, 05:16 PM
This coming from a guy named "Rockentractor"

satanica is a name from a sceen play.

Rocks and tractors are how I make my living. How do you make yours?

Zathras
07-25-2009, 05:18 PM
Rocks and tractors are how I make my living. How do you make yours?

Sitting on his worthless ass, sponging off the taxpayers of the state of Illinois.

Rockntractor
07-25-2009, 05:23 PM
Sitting on his worthless ass, sponging off the taxpayers of the state of Illinois.

I don't know why he can't be civil. The only reason his picture is posted is because Badcat outed him. I would like to know a little background for his views.

stsinner
07-25-2009, 05:40 PM
I need you to upload some decent pictures for me to work with. Pay attention and get the lighting correct this time.

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/brassmonkey71/rofllg.gif

Zathras
07-25-2009, 06:02 PM
I don't know why he can't be civil.

Once a DUmmy, always a DUmmy...he doesn't know any better.

satanica
07-25-2009, 06:12 PM
Arizona...

2004 Kerry gets 44%

2008 Obama gets 45% .....and McCain is FROM ARIZONA.

2012 ...Arizona goes blue.

enslaved1
07-25-2009, 06:15 PM
I win, I win, I win ad nausem


Then shut up and bask in the glory of that victory. Or at least just shut up.

satanica
07-25-2009, 06:15 PM
Georgia...

Kerry 2004 41%

Obama 2008 47%

Georgia 2012 ...BLUE

satanica
07-25-2009, 06:18 PM
Montana.

Kerry 39%

Obama 47%

2012 ...BLUE.

stsinner
07-25-2009, 06:18 PM
Arizona...

2004 Kerry gets 44%

2008 Obama gets 45% .....and McCain is FROM ARIZONA.

2012 ...Arizona goes blue.

You are the most childish person I've seen on this board.. Why do you think that teasing people about how their state voted is a valid argument tactic when they have no control over it? I despise Liberals, but I live in Massachusetts-the capital of Liberal stupidity and the PC sickness, but I don't give a shit how these idiots vote.. I just live here-it doesn't reflect on me or affect my vote.

Get another tactic because this one isn't working. I win. No really. I mean that.. <---That shit is stupid, too.

satanica
07-25-2009, 06:21 PM
You are the most childish person I've seen on this board.. Why do you think that teasing people about how their state voted is a valid argument tactic when they have no control over it? I despise Liberals, but I live in Massachusetts-the capital of Liberal stupidity and the PC sickness, but I don't give a shit how these idiots vote.. I just live here-it doesn't reflect on me or affect my vote.

Get another tactic because this one isn't working. I win. No really. I mean that.. <---That shit is stupid, too.


Love your state map.... http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/MA/P/00

stsinner
07-25-2009, 06:23 PM
Love your state map.... http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/MA/P/00

Oh, now you hurt my feelings... What a jackass.. I couldn't give a shit less how Massachusetts votes.. Let me spare the embarrassment and say it for you-Massachusetts SUCKS!!!!!! There, I stole your thunder.. Guess we'll have to deal in facts now, instead of your state obsession..

I'll share a little secret with you, little fella-born and raised in Indianapolis, IN, and that's where my family lives.. Go check out that state, clown... See you in a few seconds...

Rockntractor
07-25-2009, 06:24 PM
Satty you really must drop in at the photoshop! Lookin' good dude!

satanica
07-25-2009, 06:25 PM
Oh, now you hurt my feelings... What a jackass.. I couldn't give a shit less how Massachusetts votes.. Let me spare the embarrassment and say it for you-Massachusetts SUCKS!!!!!! There, I stole your thunder.. Guess we'll have to deal in facts now, instead of your state obsession..


Ask your mom to move ? ...

I wouldn't live in a place I thought "SUCKS" ...but thats just me.

stsinner
07-25-2009, 06:28 PM
Ask your mom to move ? ...

I wouldn't live in a place I thought "SUCKS" ...but thats just me.

Yeah, well I won't move until my son, who lives with my ex-wife whom I met while in the Army and stationed in MA and who comes to stay with me every two weeks turns 18, but that's just me... Loser.

Rockntractor
07-25-2009, 06:30 PM
Yeah, well I won't move until my son, who lives with my ex-wife whom I met while in the Army and stationed in MA and comes to stay with me every two weeks turns 18, but that's just me... Loser.

Stsinner you need to see the many faces of satty exibit in photoshop!

stsinner
07-25-2009, 06:30 PM
Stsinner you need to see the many faces of satty exibit in photoshop!

You got a thread going?

Ah, yes, the Satty thread.. Nice!! I like the conehead one!! That's some funny stuff! We need a full-body shot so you can put him in a dress.

satanica
07-25-2009, 06:32 PM
Yeah, well I won't move until my son, who lives with my ex-wife whom I met while in the Army and stationed in MA and who comes to stay with me every two weeks turns 18, but that's just me... Loser.

18 and still lives at home ? ..and still needs his parents ?

What happens at 18 ? ...does he leave the nest ?

Rockntractor
07-25-2009, 06:32 PM
You got a thread going?

Yeah check it out we need a few more entries. He doesn't have much to work with but what the hell!

satanica
07-25-2009, 06:33 PM
Yeah check it out we need a few more entries. He doesn't have much to work with but what the hell!

Why would someone who hates socialism ...live in a state that depends on socialism ?

Rockntractor
07-25-2009, 06:35 PM
Why would someone who hates socialism ...live in a state that depends on socialism ?

Who cares? How do you like the dick head version? I changed very little for that one!

stsinner
07-25-2009, 07:06 PM
18 and still lives at home ? ..and still needs his parents ?

What happens at 18 ? ...does he leave the nest ?

At 18 he's a man, and he'll either go off to college or join the Armed Forces. I will not abandon my son just because his mother chose to live in a Communist state full of losers like you. I wouldn't expect you to know anything about family values and integrity or doing the respectable thing and the best thing for your son.

stsinner
07-25-2009, 07:08 PM
Hey, Rockentractor-I gave you a few more pictures in the Satty thread to play with.

satanica
07-25-2009, 07:09 PM
At 18 he's a man, and he'll either go off to college or join the Armed Forces. I will not abandon my son just because he mother chose to live in a Communist state full of losers like you. I wouldn't expect you to know anything about family values and integrity or doing the respectable thing and the best thing for your son.

So at 18 plus one day he becomes a man ...no matter how much of a mommas boy he is ?

What if he was ready to be a man at 17 ?

I moved out and created a life for myself at 17

stsinner
07-25-2009, 07:15 PM
So at 18 plus one day he becomes a man ...no matter how much of a mommas boy he is ?

What if he was ready to be a man at 17 ?

I moved out and created a life for myself at 17

How's that working out for you.. You're such a huge success...

I don't mean 18 literally, dumbass-I mean when he's emancipated.. I use 18 to be succinct, as usually people understand what I mean.

satanica
07-25-2009, 07:17 PM
How's that working out for you.. You're such a huge success...

I don't mean 18 literally, dumbass-I mean when he's emancipated.. I use 18 to be succinct, as usually people understand what I mean.

Ohhhh. I get it.

You are waiting till he hits 18 so your child support payments will end.

Then you can get on with your life. My step-brother is doing the same thing. He is from Boston.

stsinner
07-25-2009, 07:19 PM
Ohhhh. I get it.

You are waiting till he hits 18 so your child support payments will end.

Then you can get on with your life. My step-brother is doing the same thing. He is from Boston.

Are you questioning my dedication to my son or my reasoning for not moving away until he starts his adult life, you loser? You are vile.

enslaved1
07-25-2009, 08:57 PM
Are you questioning my dedication to my son or my reasoning for not moving away until he starts his adult life, you loser? You are vile.

Don't fall into it dude.

satanica
07-25-2009, 09:00 PM
Don't fall into it dude.


Too Late.

http://www.jumperlumps.com/product_images/699/thumbnail_hook-line-sinker.gif

BadCat
07-25-2009, 09:54 PM
Too Late.

http://www.jumperlumps.com/product_images/699/thumbnail_hook-line-sinker.gif

Why does your wife support you?
She ain't that hot looking, but she could do a lot better than supporting a guy who actually enjoys sitting on his ass all day collecting $$ from the government.

Rockntractor
07-25-2009, 09:56 PM
Why does your wife support you?
She ain't that hot looking, but she could do a lot better than supporting a guy who actually enjoys sitting on his ass all day collecting $$ from the government.

Hey badcat! I need the Blarch the cuban commie with the cigar pic do you have it?

satanica
07-25-2009, 09:57 PM
"Reagan proved deficits don't matter" - Cheney

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A26402-2004Jun8?language=printer

Do you agree ?

Well ....do ya ?

Sonnabend
07-25-2009, 09:59 PM
Notice how Sonna has admitted defeat and 'cut and run' ?

It was 2am and I went to bed, jackass.

I see you cant even check timezones

BadCat
07-25-2009, 09:59 PM
"Reagan proved deficits don't matter" - Cheney

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A26402-2004Jun8?language=printer

Do you agree ?

Well ....do ya ?

No I don't.
Is your wife out fucking Marko tonight?

stsinner
07-25-2009, 10:00 PM
Hey badcat! I need the Blarch the cuban commie with the cigar pic do you have it?

Here ya go..


http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/brassmonkey71/ebayandhousepics021.jpg

BadCat
07-25-2009, 10:02 PM
Hey badcat! I need the Blarch the cuban commie with the cigar pic do you have it?

Ooops, guess we don't need (or want) two of them.

satanica
07-25-2009, 10:03 PM
It was 2am and I went to bed, jackass.

I see you cant even check timezones

I own you. You asked for recent data for 10 pages ...DEMANDED IT.

I gave it to you ...will you admit you are wrong ?

lacarnut
07-25-2009, 10:03 PM
"Reagan proved deficits don't matter" - Cheney

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A26402-2004Jun8?language=printer

Do you agree ?

Well ....do ya ?

Your broken record is getting old; a dimwit like you only has a one trick pony with BDS.

Rockntractor
07-25-2009, 10:03 PM
No I don't.
Is your wife out fucking Marko tonight?

The poor woman has needs. Blarch can't take care of it. Since he lost his job he feels inadequate as a man!

satanica
07-25-2009, 10:04 PM
"Reagan proved deficits don't matter" - Cheney

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A26402-2004Jun8?language=printer

Do you agree ?

Well ....do ya ?

BadCat
07-25-2009, 10:04 PM
The poor woman has needs. Blarch can't take care of it. Since he lost his job he feels inadequate as a man!

At least Marko has a job.
Wonder if Jen (Marko's wife) knows about this?

satanica
07-25-2009, 10:05 PM
Calling out SONNABEND.

You demanded recent data, I gave it to you.

Will you admit you are wrong ?

Sonnabend
07-25-2009, 10:05 PM
http://www.flashgiochi.org/materiale-per-forum/immagini-old/img/Not.this.shit.again.jpg

Sonnabend
07-25-2009, 10:07 PM
Calling out SONNABEND.

You demanded recent data, I gave it to you.

Will you admit you are wrong ?

You gave me data from ONE state. I want detailed hard data on ALL states including taxes broken down state by state and who has paid what to whom :who is a donor state and who is not.

One state.

Where's the rest.

lacarnut
07-25-2009, 10:12 PM
The poor woman has needs. Blarch can't take care of it. Since he lost his job he feels inadequate as a man!

She might be getting ready to kick him to the curb. On second thought, that might have already happened. When I was his age, I was banging my brains out on a Saturday night. This fool is posting stupid shit about politics

BadCat
07-25-2009, 10:14 PM
She might be getting ready to kick him to the curb.

He's online an awful lot.
Maybe she already has.

satanica
07-25-2009, 10:16 PM
You gave me data from ONE state. I want detailed hard data on ALL states including taxes broken down state by state and who has paid what to whom :who is a donor state and who is not.

One state.

Where's the rest.

Here is detailed tax stats on EVERY STATE IN OUR NATION. Up to date tax data on every single state that backs up my claim and DESTROYS your claim.

You have STILL failed to post even ONE LINK to back up your claim.

http://www.aicpa.org/yellow/yptsgus.htm

In 1989 Illinois was 46

In 2006 Illinois was 45

You claimed the numbers changed so much that the donor states are now subsidized states. The numbers in the links I provided prove you are wrong.

Sonnabend
07-25-2009, 10:17 PM
He sure as hell is.

Notice that he didnt think to check what ti9me it was here before he crowed I had "cut and run"? Guess he supposed I was talking to our President.:rolleyes:

BadCat, not being nasty, but how much emphasis is given in schools on countries outside the US? I seem to strike this a lot.....:confused:

BadCat
07-25-2009, 10:18 PM
Here is detailed tax stats on EVERY STATE IN OUR NATION. Up to date tax data on every single state that backs up my claim and DESTROYS your claim.

You have STILL failed to post even ONE LINK to back up your claim.

http://www.aicpa.org/yellow/yptsgus.htm

In 1989 Illinois was 46

In 2006 Illinois was 45

You claimed the numbers changed so much that the donor states are now subsidized states. The numbers in the links I provided prove you are wrong.

That's the same stupid website that wants me to save trees by filing my IL tax return electronically.

BadCat
07-25-2009, 10:20 PM
He sure as hell is.

Notice that he didnt think to check what ti9me it was here before he crowed I had "cut and run"? Guess he supposed I was talking to our President.:rolleyes:

BadCat, not being nasty, but how much emphasis is given in schools on countries outside the US? I seem to strike this a lot.....:confused:

Our liberal run educational system is pure third world, Sonna.
Most American kids cannot find the United States on a globe, much less Australia.

stsinner
07-25-2009, 10:24 PM
BadCat, not being nasty, but how much emphasis is given in schools on countries outside the US? I seem to strike this a lot.....:confused:

Unfortunately in our government schools many states have "standardized testing," which consists of reading and math, and if the children do poorly on this once-a-year test that the government has come up with, the school gets put on the underperforming list and is in the spotlight and at risk of the state stepping in and running things.. So what the schools do is, "Teach to the test..." They prep the kids for this stupid-ass test and other subjects get neglected.. Luckily, I went to a private Catholic school, and we were fed an all-encompassing curriculum that gave us a good foundation for life, but today's government schools in America, even though we spend more per pupil than any country on Earth, are sorry as hell... The teachers union is a very strong force in America, and they are a vile bunch of lazy bums that cry about pay and benefits all the time, and they vote down performance-based pay increases all the time, ensuring that even the worst shitbag teacher gets paid the same as the best, most engaged and successful teachers.. It's really a disgusing mess in America right now.. It's also driven by political correctness and the refusal to segregate retarded and special-needs kids into their own classrooms or schools for fear of hurting their feelings or making them feel different.. They are often times dumped on classes of normal kids and the entire class has to slow down to the pace of the retarded kids and not progress at the pace that the majority of the class is capable of progressing as or risk being called out for insensitivity.. It's really sorry. Really, really sorry in America today.. It's institutionalized mediocrity..

My son actually had a deaf kid in his class with a signer in the front signing everything the teacher said to this ONE KID!! As if the kids don't have a hard enough time concentrating-they don't need another distraction...

Sonnabend
07-25-2009, 10:25 PM
Most American kids cannot find the United States on a globe, much less Australia.

:eek: :mad: :eek:

enslaved1
07-25-2009, 10:29 PM
Unfortunately in our government schools many states have "standardized testing," which consists of reading and math, and if the children do poorly on this once-a-year test that the government has come up with, the school gets put on the underperforming list and is in the spotlight and at risk of the state stepping in and running things..

We had three schools here that failed enough times that they were supposed to be completely restaffed, redecorated (yeah stupid I know) and rebooted. State and feds didn't have the money, so nothing changed. :(

Yes the government school system sucks on every level.

Teetop
07-26-2009, 01:07 AM
:eek: :mad: :eek:

Sad, but true.....